沒有國民黨就沒有中國, Without the Kuomintang there would be no China, A Republic of China Story
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There will be a little of that, but its mostly going to be about conflicting geopolitical goals.
Now as for the new update.From the 70s to the 90s, Uyghurs fought in Afghanistan against the Soviets and in internal conflicts after the Soviet withdrawal. This was part of Chen Lifu’s strategy of using Islam to break the Soviet Union and world Communism. Chen Lifu, Chiang Ching-kuo, and Wang Sheng hailed them as heroes (though Li Ao ignored them). At the beginning of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, part of Xinjiang was still ruled by a widely unrecognized Soviet puppet state of East Turkestan. Some of these fighters returned to East Turkestan to fight the Communist government. In 1987, East Turkestan was destroyed and Xinjiang was unified. Some of these fighters laid down their arms and became law-abiding citizens of China. Others decided to continue their struggle, now against China.
At first, most of the anti-China resistance in Xinjiang was pro-Communist or secular nationalist. Islamist resistance groups were much smaller. But by the late 90s the Communist groups operating in Xinjiang had almost entirely disappeared. In 1999, an intelligence report said that separatist violence of any variety in Xinjiang was a very minor threat, and that Tibet would probably be more dangerous than Xinjiang in the coming years. This changed when two Chinese policemen in Urumqi were killed in 2001. In 2002, Xinjiang independence activists protested in Nanking, Shanghai, and Hong Kong, cities where many foreigners and foreign media were present. The activists getting arrested hurt the image of China in the world. Human rights organizations, who had praised China’s progress, went back to criticizing China.
China had good relations with Saudi Arabia, but there was many in Saudi Arabia who resented China. For one, China had been stationing mostly non-Muslim Chinese soldiers (though China did make an effort to send Hui and Uyghur officers in disproportionate numbers to the Middle East). China also had good relations with Israel. One Saudi man who had once benefited from Chinese military aid had by the early 2000s come to loathe China. That man was Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden hated both China and the West, and wanted to strike against both of them. It was determined that China would be an easier target, and that a strike should be made against China first. Factoring in his decision was the hope that the Uyghurs in Xinjiang would rise up against the Chinese government.
(Osama bin Laden)
In July 2005, one Saudi and eleven Chinese nationals, trained in Afghanistan, carried out an attack in Shanghai. The militants bombed the city’s subway system, causing hundreds of casualties. After the bombings, the militants opened fire on fleeing survivors and police before being killed. At the same time militants in Xinjiang carried out coordinated attacks on the police, military, and civilians. They hoped to spark a province-wide revolution. But only a small number of Uyghurs joined in. Order was restored within a few days. When everything was done, over one thousand people had been killed. China was shaken. The world sent its condolences. The people of China wanted revenge.
Looks like a 9/11-esque event happened, except its in China instead of America. This will affect China's foreign policy and start to become militarily involved internationally, equivalent to OTL America after 9/11. Which means America will be less Islamophobic and less stricter securities in all aspects due 9/11 not happening, but an event similar to that happened to China in 2005, will make China follow to the same path as post-9/11 America. In which such an event could have a profound impact to China, in the same way as 9/11 did a profound effect to the United States. America will be less involved in foreign affairs, and focused on domestic affairs. Although that will mean that, China will use this opportunity to use its growing soft power to increase its influence worldwide and eat away America's influence.
As for my previous comment regarding anti-China sentiment growing in America and the West. Due to China becoming a growing power that will soon threaten and displace the United States, and then China suffered a 9/11-like event that could change its course. You know how America reacted when 9/11 happened; implementing surveillance measures (Patriot Act), stricter immigration, discrimination against muslims, foreign intevention, and etc. With China suffering that kind of attack, they could or will react the same way America reacted. China detractors in America and the West will use this sentiment as a weapon against China. This will result a somewhat increase of anti-China in the United States and the West, with criticism against China for intervening in foreign affairs, use of military power, and etc.
"In 2002, Xinjiang independence activists protested in Nanking, Shanghai, and Hong Kong, cities where many foreigners and foreign media were present. The activists getting arrested hurt the image of China in the world. Human rights organizations, who had praised China’s progress, went back to criticizing China."
Yeah, that ain't a good look for China. If China keeps doing this in the coming years, and will start to do the same thing to Tibet independence activists (If that movement becomes prominent in the years to come). It will fuel the growing anti-China sentiment in the West, if not the world.
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Not to mention with the rise of social media in 2010s and 2020s, we will soon see more anti-China and Sinophobia in the social media sphere. Topics of China suppressing independence movement activists, China using their profound economic strength and behemoth manufacturing industry to monopolize the world economy, China stealing away jobs of America, China's growing pervasive influence in the West, China using CSMC (OTL TSMC) to monopolize and control the semiconductor industry, Chinese companies acquiring companies worldwide left and right, China making Africa as their new playground for economic ventures and new spheres of influence, and so much more. Those topics that I mention will surface in Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, and etc in the 2010s and 2020s. Not only that, those topics will soon be seriously discussed in mainstream media.
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Well that did contribute to the killing of Vincent Chen and the two responsible essentially getting off with no real punishment and a very dismissive attitude. Also given that China is more of a rival and a challenge to the US it'll likely be far more ugly.
As for the Xinjiang thing, the Chinese will ignore it and point to hypocrisy in things like not doing much when say Turkey oppresses the Kurds or when Catalans demand indepndence from Spain. In fact China can now tar the independence movement as terriorists and extremists and once the inevitable attack hits the West the sympathy will dry up. China is in a better position to rebut the west and they'll point out if people advocating for parts of the USA breaking off would be ignored and if there was a foreign power backing might be arrested not to mention the US certainly wouldn't willingly give up its territory so why should China.
I wonder if this ITTL 9/11 in China has the same impact to the world as OTL 9/11 in America, or its much lesser. OTL 9/11 increased airport security, ITTL 9/11 might increase security of subway systems.
How did the break-up of Yugoslavia ITTL differ from OTL? Any chance we could get a chapter on Post-Communist Eastern Europe ITTL?
By the way, does the Youtuber Moon ITTL still have anti-China views like OTL without communism and stuff? Considering China is far more powerful and stable in this timeline and is a functioning democracy, does Moon have positive views on this China or is it still his infamous negative-view on China. Most of his videos have negative views on China like OTL. With China (KMT) about to take away the influence of the US and the West on the world stage, and becomes the top world superpower in the future. He will surely hold dislike or hatred to China as for him, it could mean the end of Western rule.
P.S. I'm not promoting him, I'm just wondering if he still helds negative-views on China ITTL the same way as OTL China.
P.S. I'm not promoting him, I'm just wondering if he still helds negative-views on China ITTL the same way as OTL China.
A good observation.
Also good observations.
This is pretty much how it's going to be.
Yes.
There will be much more security in subways now. And adding to a general fear of terrorism airport security in China at least will be increased.
I might write about it. The breakup was pretty similar to OTL, just delayed a few years.
Honestly, I'm not too familiar with his work.
The Invasion of Afghanistan
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China was united in its desire for revenge for the Shanghai Subway attacks. The quest to find who was responsible and to bring them to justice began immediately. One militant was apprehended and gave information to Chinese intelligence. It was quickly discovered that the attackers had been trained in Afghanistan. Various terrorist groups were considered to have been responsible for the attacks, mostly located in Afghanistan. The MBIS presented a list of names of whom it believed were responsible to President Lien Chan. China demanded that Afghanistan hand over the suspects, which it refused to do. Lien Chan gave a speech the week after the attacks saying that those who harbor terrorists will be punished. By the end of July, Chinese government officials were referring to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan as a terrorist state. Troops were massed in Xinjiang, especially in Tashkurgan near the border. An invasion seemed imminent.
On July 5, 2005, the day before the Shanghai attacks, Afghanistan received a shipment of weapons from the United States. Afghanistan was a rival of Iran (and Iran funded anti-government rebels in Afghanistan), and thus helping Afghanistan would hurt Iran. When China went to the UN to pass a resolution against Afghanistan, the US and UK vetoed it (Russia-Belarus and France abstained). This put a huge strain in Sino-American relations, though the two countries still worked together in Iraq. America, for its part, did attempt to convince the Afghan government to hand over the terror suspects, but to no avail. Pakistan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan all rejected allowing China to move soldiers through their countries. Any invasion would need to be by air or through the Tegermansu Pass.
(Afghan Army)
China had something of an international coalition of its own. Russia-Belarus was not eager to send troops back to Afghanistan, but was 100% in support of China destroying their former enemies. Mongolia and Laos, sometimes described as Chinese client states, pledged a small number of troops to the invasion. Other nations pledged to send some sort of help, whether military or humanitarian, after the invasion. China wanted to make its coalition truly global, and sought to get allies from every continent. This coalition included Singapore, India, Sri Lanka, Uzbekistan, Kenya, Macedonia, and Guatemala. Most of these countries would contribute hardly anything, but they improved their relations with China and some countries secured development aid. China wanted to get at least one Western country to aid in its plan for Afghanistan. The closest it got was moral support from the Spanish government. At the same time Basque and Catalan separatists increasingly aligned themselves with Uyghurs and Tibetans.
In late August the invasion of Afghanistan began. One army invaded the Tegermansu Pass, experiencing little opposition. At the same time Chinese and Lao troops were airdropped to areas controlled by anti-government forces. Most of Northern and Eastern Afghanistan were taken by China. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan’s cause was hopeless, and they desperately called on the Uyghurs to rise up but to no avail. Most of the country’s leadership (and most of the Shanghai terror attack suspects) escaped and went into hiding and Kabul fell by the end of September. China and the coalition would spend the next few months mopping up Islamic Emirate forces and some other extremist groups. Militants would continue to pose a problem for the coalition, hiding in Afghanistan and Pakistan. China would then get to work on government-building.
On July 5, 2005, the day before the Shanghai attacks, Afghanistan received a shipment of weapons from the United States. Afghanistan was a rival of Iran (and Iran funded anti-government rebels in Afghanistan), and thus helping Afghanistan would hurt Iran. When China went to the UN to pass a resolution against Afghanistan, the US and UK vetoed it (Russia-Belarus and France abstained). This put a huge strain in Sino-American relations, though the two countries still worked together in Iraq. America, for its part, did attempt to convince the Afghan government to hand over the terror suspects, but to no avail. Pakistan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan all rejected allowing China to move soldiers through their countries. Any invasion would need to be by air or through the Tegermansu Pass.
(Afghan Army)
China had something of an international coalition of its own. Russia-Belarus was not eager to send troops back to Afghanistan, but was 100% in support of China destroying their former enemies. Mongolia and Laos, sometimes described as Chinese client states, pledged a small number of troops to the invasion. Other nations pledged to send some sort of help, whether military or humanitarian, after the invasion. China wanted to make its coalition truly global, and sought to get allies from every continent. This coalition included Singapore, India, Sri Lanka, Uzbekistan, Kenya, Macedonia, and Guatemala. Most of these countries would contribute hardly anything, but they improved their relations with China and some countries secured development aid. China wanted to get at least one Western country to aid in its plan for Afghanistan. The closest it got was moral support from the Spanish government. At the same time Basque and Catalan separatists increasingly aligned themselves with Uyghurs and Tibetans.
In late August the invasion of Afghanistan began. One army invaded the Tegermansu Pass, experiencing little opposition. At the same time Chinese and Lao troops were airdropped to areas controlled by anti-government forces. Most of Northern and Eastern Afghanistan were taken by China. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan’s cause was hopeless, and they desperately called on the Uyghurs to rise up but to no avail. Most of the country’s leadership (and most of the Shanghai terror attack suspects) escaped and went into hiding and Kabul fell by the end of September. China and the coalition would spend the next few months mopping up Islamic Emirate forces and some other extremist groups. Militants would continue to pose a problem for the coalition, hiding in Afghanistan and Pakistan. China would then get to work on government-building.
Yeah but it's only a matter of time before the West gets attacked as ultimately they too are ideological opponents to Islamic terriorists even if the attack won't be launched from Afghanistan. China will regret nation building soon enough though at least they have a border with the nation and can much more easily supply them and Pakistan might be less willing to support the insurgents with China looming large and nearby.
Especially as the reference to the Afghan leadership and ringleaders of the Shanghai Attacks getting away with it is ominous, to put it mildly.
Ah, the irony of the US supporting Afghanistan's Islamic regime against invasion. But the realpolitik makes sense ITTL.
Yeah, since most of the West didn't join China in a coalition against Afghanistan for not handing off the terrorist suspects. Expect to see a split between China and the West, because of this China is going to use its power to overtake the West and the United States to become a leading global superpower. It will soon happen as China realize it didn't need the west, as China has all the resource and industry to be self-sufficient.China was united in its desire for revenge for the Shanghai Subway attacks. The quest to find who was responsible and to bring them to justice began immediately. One militant was apprehended and gave information to Chinese intelligence. It was quickly discovered that the attackers had been trained in Afghanistan. Various terrorist groups were considered to have been responsible for the attacks, mostly located in Afghanistan. The MBIS presented a list of names of whom it believed were responsible to President Lien Chan. China demanded that Afghanistan hand over the suspects, which it refused to do. Lien Chan gave a speech the week after the attacks saying that those who harbor terrorists will be punished. By the end of July, Chinese government officials were referring to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan as a terrorist state. Troops were massed in Xinjiang, especially in Tashkurgan near the border. An invasion seemed imminent.
On July 5, 2005, the day before the Shanghai attacks, Afghanistan received a shipment of weapons from the United States. Afghanistan was a rival of Iran (and Iran funded anti-government rebels in Afghanistan), and thus helping Afghanistan would hurt Iran. When China went to the UN to pass a resolution against Afghanistan, the US and UK vetoed it (Russia-Belarus and France abstained). This put a huge strain in Sino-American relations, though the two countries still worked together in Iraq. America, for its part, did attempt to convince the Afghan government to hand over the terror suspects, but to no avail. Pakistan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan all rejected allowing China to move soldiers through their countries. Any invasion would need to be by air or through the Tegermansu Pass.
(Afghan Army)
China had something of an international coalition of its own. Russia-Belarus was not eager to send troops back to Afghanistan, but was 100% in support of China destroying their former enemies. Mongolia and Laos, sometimes described as Chinese client states, pledged a small number of troops to the invasion. Other nations pledged to send some sort of help, whether military or humanitarian, after the invasion. China wanted to make its coalition truly global, and sought to get allies from every continent. This coalition included Singapore, India, Sri Lanka, Uzbekistan, Kenya, Macedonia, and Guatemala. Most of these countries would contribute hardly anything, but they improved their relations with China and some countries secured development aid. China wanted to get at least one Western country to aid in its plan for Afghanistan. The closest it got was moral support from the Spanish government. At the same time Basque and Catalan separatists increasingly aligned themselves with Uyghurs and Tibetans.
In late August the invasion of Afghanistan began. One army invaded the Tegermansu Pass, experiencing little opposition. At the same time Chinese and Lao troops were airdropped to areas controlled by anti-government forces. Most of Northern and Eastern Afghanistan were taken by China. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan’s cause was hopeless, and they desperately called on the Uyghurs to rise up but to no avail. Most of the country’s leadership (and most of the Shanghai terror attack suspects) escaped and went into hiding and Kabul fell by the end of September. China and the coalition would spend the next few months mopping up Islamic Emirate forces and some other extremist groups. Militants would continue to pose a problem for the coalition, hiding in Afghanistan and Pakistan. China would then get to work on government-building.
With China growing more stronger in the coming years, at the 2010s. China's power and influence will be nearly equal and close to the US, as they will soon overtake the US as the number one superpower. This will cause a massive shift in the balance of power in the geopolitical space. As for how the West will react? They will be concerned, fearful, and opposive. The US and the West will make sure to curb Chinese power from gaining worldwide monopoly. China will counter this by bringing Latin America, Africa, Asia and Oceania under their sphere of influence, and this act will upset the western powers. Africa is the most concentrated, as the continent experienced European colonialism and it's rich resource for China's industry. China will develop the continent, to increase its influence.
There will be a growing Sinophobia sentiment in the US, as Sino-American relations deteriorate due to the West not joining a coalition and China soon to overtake the US. White Supremacists and the Far-Right will not want a non-white nation(China) becoming a global superpower, as it threatens their view that the white race is the greatest. Which means we will see some attacks against Chinese and other Asians.
There will be a portion of the far-right that supports China, especially in Europe as immigration increases, as they'll see China as standing up to Islam.
Wouldn't they be more likely to blame China for the immigration as the chaos caused by the invasion is what likely leads to refugee waves in the first place?
Geopolitics ain't no fairy tale world.
America supported the mujahedeen when they were fighting the Soviets, the Soviets when they were fighting the Nazis, and then helped the Nazis escape the Soviets during Operation Paperclip.
I imagine there is a TL where the Soviets were a bigger threat and the Nazis were the WW2 ally.