The Russian and Belarussian Soviet Republics agreed to reform into the Russian and Belarussian Federal Republic.
沒有國民黨就沒有中國, Without the Kuomintang there would be no China, A Republic of China Story
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So, the RBFR is basically the Soviet equivalent to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia/State Union of Serbia and Montenegro?
One Korea
In October 1996 the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea was destroyed by South Korea and China. North Korea was not immediately incorporated into the Republic of Korea, however. The North was still much poorer than the South, which was becoming a major player in the world economy. This wouldn’t have been a huge problem in the past, but South Korea had been a democracy since 1978. Much of the South Korean public was opposed to reunification. The main reasons for their opposition came from the wealth disparity between North and South. Reunification meant that Southern taxpayers would need to fund the reconstruction of the North. In addition, impoverished North Koreans could flood into South Korean cities. While few people argued that reunification should never happen, there were many who argued that reunification needed to be delayed until the North caught up with the South economically.
Supporters of reunification appealed to nationalism. Some Koreans were claimed that if reunification was delayed for too long, North Korea might become ruled by China. A small number of Chinese soldiers stayed in North Korea after the war ended. An unofficial Chinese embassy opened in Pyongyang and Chinese businessmen soon followed. Older generations were firmly in favor of reunification, while the younger generations were more divided. In North Korea, opposition to reunification was virtually nonexistent. The government of the North, a council of military officers, was fully committed to reunification. Their nationalist tendencies meant that they were eager to curb Chinese influence in the country. In order to prepare the country for reunification, the Northern government introduced some capitalism and allowed local elections in 2000. South Korea provided economic assistance to the North.
In 2002, South Korea held presidential elections. Former President Paik Sun-yup returned to politics to unite the forces of immediate reunification. He was very popular because he finished South Korea’s transition to democracy. Paik won his election and pledged to reunify Korea before leaving office. In 2003, Northern and Southern leaders met for a reunification deal. It was decided that North Korea would become an autonomous region of the Republic of Korea, and that this arrangement would last for ten years, after which time the Northern provinces would be no different from the Southern provinces. On January 1, 2005, North Korea ceased to exist as a country. Korea was a unified country once more.
(Paik Sun-yup)
Supporters of reunification appealed to nationalism. Some Koreans were claimed that if reunification was delayed for too long, North Korea might become ruled by China. A small number of Chinese soldiers stayed in North Korea after the war ended. An unofficial Chinese embassy opened in Pyongyang and Chinese businessmen soon followed. Older generations were firmly in favor of reunification, while the younger generations were more divided. In North Korea, opposition to reunification was virtually nonexistent. The government of the North, a council of military officers, was fully committed to reunification. Their nationalist tendencies meant that they were eager to curb Chinese influence in the country. In order to prepare the country for reunification, the Northern government introduced some capitalism and allowed local elections in 2000. South Korea provided economic assistance to the North.
In 2002, South Korea held presidential elections. Former President Paik Sun-yup returned to politics to unite the forces of immediate reunification. He was very popular because he finished South Korea’s transition to democracy. Paik won his election and pledged to reunify Korea before leaving office. In 2003, Northern and Southern leaders met for a reunification deal. It was decided that North Korea would become an autonomous region of the Republic of Korea, and that this arrangement would last for ten years, after which time the Northern provinces would be no different from the Southern provinces. On January 1, 2005, North Korea ceased to exist as a country. Korea was a unified country once more.
(Paik Sun-yup)
KOREA! UNITED KOREA!
Three thousand Li of splendid rivers and mountains, filled with Roses of Sharon;
Great Korean people, stay true to the Great Korean way!
(why am I so happy about Korean reunification lol)
Three thousand Li of splendid rivers and mountains, filled with Roses of Sharon;
Great Korean people, stay true to the Great Korean way!
(why am I so happy about Korean reunification lol)
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Amnesty and Unrest
In 2003, a series of bills known as the amnesty laws were passed. These coincided with the 50 year anniversary of the official end of the Chinese Civil War. Communists were officially given the right to return to China, given that they renounced Communism. High-ranking Communists were not given this opportunity, and would have to stay in the countries of the former Eastern Bloc for the rest of their lives. The people who benefited from this were mostly the children and grandchildren of those who defected, though some who claimed to have been conscripted into the red army in the 40s and 50s were also allowed back into China. The Kuomintang also sent directives to lower-level officials to purge the criminal records of the majority of those who committed political crimes between 1945 and 1990.
Tibet was mostly unaffected by these amnesty bills. In November 2003, the KMT-aligned Tibet Improvement Party won a close gubernatorial election. Some Tibetans believed that the election had been stolen and took to the streets to protest. In Lhasa, protesters were also angry over the influx of Han Chinese (and other non-Tibetans) who had settled in the city. The majority of these new arrivals could not speak Tibetan and made no attempt to learn (this phenomenon was almost entirely confined to Lhasa). They opposed what they saw as an attempt by Nanking to transform Tibet into just another Chinese province through migration. The protests turned into a riot, and there were clashes with the police. One rioter was killed and more were wounded while one police officer was severely injured. That the Lhasa police force was still 90% Tibetan in 2003 helped the police control the situation.
The ruling Kuomintang and Lien Chan remained generally popular. Lien didn’t have a following like the Chaings, but people were generally satisfied with him and the 2002 elections showed this. In some regions, however, there was growing dissatisfaction with the government. Tibet was drifting away from the KMT’s partner, the TIP. In both Tibet and Xinjiang, the Chinese Federal Party made inroads, arguing for greater autonomy. Northern China had been a difficult region for the KMT ever since democratization, even though some areas remained blue. Lien Chan’s second term saw a major shakeup in this region. The Liberal Party continued to decline, despite (or perhaps because of) Li Ao’s refusal to retire from politics. The Chinese left was ascendant. Though the New Democratic League suffered from infighting and was widely viewed as extremist, the China Democratic Socialist Party was more aggressively promoting progressive politics. In addition to their traditional working-class base, they were increasingly attracting well-educated middle-class youth. More and more Liberal Party seats in the North were flipping to the CDSP. The CDSP had much less success trying to flip seats in the deep blue South.
Tibet was mostly unaffected by these amnesty bills. In November 2003, the KMT-aligned Tibet Improvement Party won a close gubernatorial election. Some Tibetans believed that the election had been stolen and took to the streets to protest. In Lhasa, protesters were also angry over the influx of Han Chinese (and other non-Tibetans) who had settled in the city. The majority of these new arrivals could not speak Tibetan and made no attempt to learn (this phenomenon was almost entirely confined to Lhasa). They opposed what they saw as an attempt by Nanking to transform Tibet into just another Chinese province through migration. The protests turned into a riot, and there were clashes with the police. One rioter was killed and more were wounded while one police officer was severely injured. That the Lhasa police force was still 90% Tibetan in 2003 helped the police control the situation.
The ruling Kuomintang and Lien Chan remained generally popular. Lien didn’t have a following like the Chaings, but people were generally satisfied with him and the 2002 elections showed this. In some regions, however, there was growing dissatisfaction with the government. Tibet was drifting away from the KMT’s partner, the TIP. In both Tibet and Xinjiang, the Chinese Federal Party made inroads, arguing for greater autonomy. Northern China had been a difficult region for the KMT ever since democratization, even though some areas remained blue. Lien Chan’s second term saw a major shakeup in this region. The Liberal Party continued to decline, despite (or perhaps because of) Li Ao’s refusal to retire from politics. The Chinese left was ascendant. Though the New Democratic League suffered from infighting and was widely viewed as extremist, the China Democratic Socialist Party was more aggressively promoting progressive politics. In addition to their traditional working-class base, they were increasingly attracting well-educated middle-class youth. More and more Liberal Party seats in the North were flipping to the CDSP. The CDSP had much less success trying to flip seats in the deep blue South.
How sizable is the Chinese Communist diaspara in the former Eastern Bloc, now you mentioned it?
Tens of thousands, with the majority being in Mongolia (where Mao's descendants live). A lot of the children and grandchildren are part European or Mongolian. The Xi family lives in Albania.
(I forgot that there is another chapter) Huh...Paik Sun-Yup became the president again.....why do I feel like ITTL there will be an ongoing joke where whenever Korea is in period of distress (whether it is terrorist attack, natural disaster, and others)...there would be "calls" for Paik to step up to the plate again (even when he is already dead...)...the fact that this need to happen shows that there really isn't any politician even with what you called an average calibre...and seems like Korea(n upper class at the very least, the middle and lower class is at a similar or better off) is worse off GDP wise than IOTL.....In October 1996 the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea was destroyed by South Korea and China. North Korea was not immediately incorporated into the Republic of Korea, however. The North was still much poorer than the South, which was becoming a major player in the world economy. This wouldn’t have been a huge problem in the past, but South Korea had been a democracy since 1978. Much of the South Korean public was opposed to reunification. The main reasons for their opposition came from the wealth disparity between North and South. Reunification meant that Southern taxpayers would need to fund the reconstruction of the North. In addition, impoverished North Koreans could flood into South Korean cities. While few people argued that reunification should never happen, there were many who argued that reunification needed to be delayed until the North caught up with the South economically.
Supporters of reunification appealed to nationalism. Some Koreans were claimed that if reunification was delayed for too long, North Korea might become ruled by China. A small number of Chinese soldiers stayed in North Korea after the war ended. An unofficial Chinese embassy opened in Pyongyang and Chinese businessmen soon followed. Older generations were firmly in favor of reunification, while the younger generations were more divided. In North Korea, opposition to reunification was virtually nonexistent. The government of the North, a council of military officers, was fully committed to reunification. Their nationalist tendencies meant that they were eager to curb Chinese influence in the country. In order to prepare the country for reunification, the Northern government introduced some capitalism and allowed local elections in 2000. South Korea provided economic assistance to the North.
In 2002, South Korea held presidential elections. Former President Paik Sun-yup returned to politics to unite the forces of immediate reunification. He was very popular because he finished South Korea’s transition to democracy. Paik won his election and pledged to reunify Korea before leaving office. In 2003, Northern and Southern leaders met for a reunification deal. It was decided that North Korea would become an autonomous region of the Republic of Korea, and that this arrangement would last for ten years, after which time the Northern provinces would be no different from the Southern provinces. On January 1, 2005, North Korea ceased to exist as a country. Korea was a unified country once more.
(Paik Sun-yup)
Had to agree with @President Eternal assessment....
By the way...considering the linguistic demographic of the south of China....is the last sentence seems to imply that the KMT is actually more popular with the non-Mandarin speakers, or it has managed to use the linguistic divide to gain a monopolistic hold of the Mandarin speakers (which card is could not use for the other regions)
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Speakers of non-Mandarin Chinese dialects generally prefer the KMT. Those who speak Cantonese and Hakka in particular tend to vote blue. Some exceptions exist (Mandarin speakers in Taiwan are more likely to vote KMT than Minnan/Hokkien/Taiwanese* speakers).
As for non-Chinese languages, The KMT has traditionally done well in Western China, though this is changing. Mongol-speaking areas have been voting against the KMT since the 80s. Some minority areas of Southern China vote KMT, some do not.
There are probably around 2 million people in China who cannot speak Mandarin fluently. They come in three categories; people over 60, rural Tibetans, and people who live in parts of Xinjiang that only became part of China in 1987. The first group tends to vote KMT, the second tends to vote for the CDSP or the new China Federal Party, and the latter is a swing group.
As for the presidents (so far) and the languages I think they would have grown up speaking:
Sun Yat-sen: Hakka, Cantonese
Chiang Kai-shek: Wu
Chen Lifu: Probably Wu
Chiang Ching-kuo: Wu, Mandarin
Wang Sheng: Hakka
Li Ao: Mandarin
Lien Chan: Mandarin, maybe Hokkien
(Li and Lien are the only two Northerners, though Lien's father was from Taiwan)
*There's a whole politically-charged debate in Taiwan over what to call that dialect.
Very blessed.In October 1996 the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea was destroyed by South Korea and China. North Korea was not immediately incorporated into the Republic of Korea, however. The North was still much poorer than the South, which was becoming a major player in the world economy. This wouldn’t have been a huge problem in the past, but South Korea had been a democracy since 1978. Much of the South Korean public was opposed to reunification. The main reasons for their opposition came from the wealth disparity between North and South. Reunification meant that Southern taxpayers would need to fund the reconstruction of the North. In addition, impoverished North Koreans could flood into South Korean cities. While few people argued that reunification should never happen, there were many who argued that reunification needed to be delayed until the North caught up with the South economically.
Supporters of reunification appealed to nationalism. Some Koreans were claimed that if reunification was delayed for too long, North Korea might become ruled by China. A small number of Chinese soldiers stayed in North Korea after the war ended. An unofficial Chinese embassy opened in Pyongyang and Chinese businessmen soon followed. Older generations were firmly in favor of reunification, while the younger generations were more divided. In North Korea, opposition to reunification was virtually nonexistent. The government of the North, a council of military officers, was fully committed to reunification. Their nationalist tendencies meant that they were eager to curb Chinese influence in the country. In order to prepare the country for reunification, the Northern government introduced some capitalism and allowed local elections in 2000. South Korea provided economic assistance to the North.
In 2002, South Korea held presidential elections. Former President Paik Sun-yup returned to politics to unite the forces of immediate reunification. He was very popular because he finished South Korea’s transition to democracy. Paik won his election and pledged to reunify Korea before leaving office. In 2003, Northern and Southern leaders met for a reunification deal. It was decided that North Korea would become an autonomous region of the Republic of Korea, and that this arrangement would last for ten years, after which time the Northern provinces would be no different from the Southern provinces. On January 1, 2005, North Korea ceased to exist as a country. Korea was a unified country once more.
(Paik Sun-yup)
Considering that Wen Jiabao headed the Control Yuan while Hu Jintao is a MLY, what became of Zhu Rongji ITTL as he is safely from a non-princeling background and thus could realistically enter politics in this ROC? Same for Wu Bangguo, Jia Qingling, and Zhou Yongkang as they similarly came from non-princeling backgrounds.
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Zhu Rongji: KMT legislator from Hunan
Wu Bangguo: KMT Governor of Guizhou
Jia Qinglin: CDSP legislator from Fujian.
Zhou Yongkang: Liberal Party former Legislator from Heilongjiang
Social Issues and Activism
The 2000s, while not necessarily bringing entirely new social concerns to the forefront, increased social awareness in China. Feminist and LGBT rights movements existed before 2000, but activism for both causes grew during the decade. The former had some success in already existing law, while the latter sought to introduce new anti-discrimination laws (and saw some success at the local level). Ethnic minority groups engaged in activism. The most visible were the Tibetans, Mongols, and Uyghurs. Much of their activism was for local political autonomy and cultural preservation. This activism was tolerated, as long as it did not cross the line into separatism. While the MBIS no longer monitored critics of the KMT, they still took the threat of separatism very seriously.
In the 2000s, Chinese movies and TV shows increasingly showed ethnic minority characters as protagonists. In 2005, the Chinese government began a campaign to promote the idea of China as a land of many ethnicities. This was part of a wider international advertisement campaign to encourage tourism to China. Uyghur-majority Xinjiang, as well as Mongol Chahar and Xingan sought to convince foreigners to give their provinces a chance (As many people remembered hearing about ideological, ethnic, or religious violence in these places on the news in the 80s and 90s). Tibet would always be a popular tourist destination, particularly for those interested in Buddhism. China heavily promoted the “Out of Taiwan” theory of Austronesian origins in order to have the people of Southeast Asia and the Pacific see themselves as connected to China.
One issue that would only continue to grow in importance was the environment. By this point China was the world’s biggest polluter. Smog was a common sight in many of China’s cities. Provincial governments made some attempts to curb pollution, but many Chinese thought their governments were not doing enough. The Green Party of China was founded in 2004, though it saw little success at the ballot. The national government would begin to consider taking serious action on the environment. The difficulty was finding the right balance. While most people wanted a cleaner environment, they also didn’t want to sacrifice China’s GDP growth. Environmentalism became a rallying cry for anti-Chinese sentiment in Mongolia as Chinese companies descended upon Mongolia to extract its natural resources.
(smog)
In the 2000s, Chinese movies and TV shows increasingly showed ethnic minority characters as protagonists. In 2005, the Chinese government began a campaign to promote the idea of China as a land of many ethnicities. This was part of a wider international advertisement campaign to encourage tourism to China. Uyghur-majority Xinjiang, as well as Mongol Chahar and Xingan sought to convince foreigners to give their provinces a chance (As many people remembered hearing about ideological, ethnic, or religious violence in these places on the news in the 80s and 90s). Tibet would always be a popular tourist destination, particularly for those interested in Buddhism. China heavily promoted the “Out of Taiwan” theory of Austronesian origins in order to have the people of Southeast Asia and the Pacific see themselves as connected to China.
One issue that would only continue to grow in importance was the environment. By this point China was the world’s biggest polluter. Smog was a common sight in many of China’s cities. Provincial governments made some attempts to curb pollution, but many Chinese thought their governments were not doing enough. The Green Party of China was founded in 2004, though it saw little success at the ballot. The national government would begin to consider taking serious action on the environment. The difficulty was finding the right balance. While most people wanted a cleaner environment, they also didn’t want to sacrifice China’s GDP growth. Environmentalism became a rallying cry for anti-Chinese sentiment in Mongolia as Chinese companies descended upon Mongolia to extract its natural resources.
(smog)
