@Ephraim Ben Raphael As an avid roleplayer and quester on SV/SB, I do love that you actually roll dice in here.
Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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Oh, poor Italy.
Historically accurate representation of Italian war performance.
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Just finished reading this TL and damn is it good.
Personally, I'm hoping the USA crashes and burns to leave the Draka as the sole super-power before they too crash and burn. Would be a very interesting ending.
Also a fan of the dice rolling. Let the gods make their will be known!
Personally, I'm hoping the USA crashes and burns to leave the Draka as the sole super-power before they too crash and burn. Would be a very interesting ending.
Also a fan of the dice rolling. Let the gods make their will be known!
Alright alright, break out those dice!
So looking at the map and scores, some initial thoughts:
- France loses the colonies (no Solomon Islands no!) and control over Batavia
- Russia loses Alyeska (to the US, see later on), Sakhalin/Korea (to Japan), Galicia and Mesopotamia (to Germany?), Finland (Scandinavia), Constantinople (Rhomania) and maybe gets a *Geoist revolution?
- US gets Alyeska, maybe Newfoundland, maybe gets a sphere in Indochina?
- Italy definitely doesn't get Venice, probably loses Albania, and maybe even Sicily, to Rhomania
- Japan gets the above
- This is tough, but I think aside from the above losses, the UK just loses the African dominions to Drakia?
- Grossdeutschland at the expense of Austria anyone?
- Bavaria reduced, but a Swiss-esque remnant?
- Byzantium reborn! The Straits, Albania, maybe (extremely) Sicily, more land in Anatolia, or even North Africa?
Looking forward to more EBR!
So looking at the map and scores, some initial thoughts:
- France loses the colonies (no Solomon Islands no!) and control over Batavia
- Russia loses Alyeska (to the US, see later on), Sakhalin/Korea (to Japan), Galicia and Mesopotamia (to Germany?), Finland (Scandinavia), Constantinople (Rhomania) and maybe gets a *Geoist revolution?
- US gets Alyeska, maybe Newfoundland, maybe gets a sphere in Indochina?
- Italy definitely doesn't get Venice, probably loses Albania, and maybe even Sicily, to Rhomania
- Japan gets the above
- This is tough, but I think aside from the above losses, the UK just loses the African dominions to Drakia?
- Grossdeutschland at the expense of Austria anyone?
- Bavaria reduced, but a Swiss-esque remnant?
- Byzantium reborn! The Straits, Albania, maybe (extremely) Sicily, more land in Anatolia, or even North Africa?
Looking forward to more EBR!
Those are some interesting dice rolls, though not completely implausible... Since this is about the point when the USN should be able to overmatch the RN I'm guessing they skip much of the meatgrinder in Europe while building up their navy and launching a submarine campaign from the Atlantic and France that would make OTL's Germans green with envy. Sounds like Europe is headed for a peace from exhaustion with only Germany coming out ahead.
The us is more imperalistic and they just won a lot so i would think that they would take more then that i could see them take australia and newsealand plus everything gb has in the Americas.
So the US rolled a 20, what does that mean?
Generally this US is quite expansionistic and eager to add foreign territories as states. However, I am guessing it will still prefer to annex stuff from the British Empire rather than other places, and it will be hesitant to actually annex a large amount in say.. India or something.
However there are a couple places that make sense to expand into, as the US is now.
1. All of leftover BA, from Guyana to the leftover Caribbean, there is no way after several wars with European powers that the US is allowing ANY European, especially British, presence in the New World. It will probably take them but it is possible it gives Guyana to Brazil &or Columbia. America will almost certainly annex Newfoundland(held out for so long).
2. Borneo. While we don't how American Sabah is going, if I were to guess a place in the American Empire that could be expanded that would be it. Plus it might lead to interesting effects long term, especially if Borneo and other places in Indonesia are given Statehood. I could see independence, but quite frankly the mess of princely states territories and just everything makes me think they are vulnerable to an American Steamroller. (why didn't YOU invest in American Asia?)
3. British Polynesia. The, quite frankly, dismal roll of both Britain and France as well as a decent Japanese roll seem to indicate the Pacific becoming more and more in the sphere of America and to a much lesser extent Japan. You gotta get that guano somehow. France will keep their islands just because they are allies with the new hegemon of the region, but I am guessing the British Islands fall into the soft, tender hands of American Gunboats.
4. Maybe Oceania? This one I am a bit more hesitant on. Oceania is populous, much more logistically difficult and far out from current American Possessions and has much stronger local institutions. I think they will get independence and an "allied" status with America rather than actually falling in as territories and states.
5. Parts of Africa? I don't know, though I could see the United States, especially Georgia and the Caribbean States pushing for liberation of Africa if consciousness about the horror of Drakia has grown. However if it is all just 'British' in the minds of the American public, intellectuals and politicians then I see America passing them over and independence being given to a bunch of weak post-colonial states.
I hope that America tries to strengthen the newly independent colonies out of common cultural affiliation but it probably won't happen. They very well might fall into Drakia's orbit.
Considering the Roll, the limit on American inheritance of the British Empire seems more likely to be about who do Americans feel comfortable with and worth the effort in adding to the United States than anything else.
But really, I am hoping for a Bornean-descended president before 2000 tbh. Thems the hopes.
Generally this US is quite expansionistic and eager to add foreign territories as states. However, I am guessing it will still prefer to annex stuff from the British Empire rather than other places, and it will be hesitant to actually annex a large amount in say.. India or something.
However there are a couple places that make sense to expand into, as the US is now.
1. All of leftover BA, from Guyana to the leftover Caribbean, there is no way after several wars with European powers that the US is allowing ANY European, especially British, presence in the New World. It will probably take them but it is possible it gives Guyana to Brazil &or Columbia. America will almost certainly annex Newfoundland(held out for so long).
2. Borneo. While we don't how American Sabah is going, if I were to guess a place in the American Empire that could be expanded that would be it. Plus it might lead to interesting effects long term, especially if Borneo and other places in Indonesia are given Statehood. I could see independence, but quite frankly the mess of princely states territories and just everything makes me think they are vulnerable to an American Steamroller. (why didn't YOU invest in American Asia?)
3. British Polynesia. The, quite frankly, dismal roll of both Britain and France as well as a decent Japanese roll seem to indicate the Pacific becoming more and more in the sphere of America and to a much lesser extent Japan. You gotta get that guano somehow. France will keep their islands just because they are allies with the new hegemon of the region, but I am guessing the British Islands fall into the soft, tender hands of American Gunboats.
4. Maybe Oceania? This one I am a bit more hesitant on. Oceania is populous, much more logistically difficult and far out from current American Possessions and has much stronger local institutions. I think they will get independence and an "allied" status with America rather than actually falling in as territories and states.
5. Parts of Africa? I don't know, though I could see the United States, especially Georgia and the Caribbean States pushing for liberation of Africa if consciousness about the horror of Drakia has grown. However if it is all just 'British' in the minds of the American public, intellectuals and politicians then I see America passing them over and independence being given to a bunch of weak post-colonial states.
I hope that America tries to strengthen the newly independent colonies out of common cultural affiliation but it probably won't happen. They very well might fall into Drakia's orbit.
Considering the Roll, the limit on American inheritance of the British Empire seems more likely to be about who do Americans feel comfortable with and worth the effort in adding to the United States than anything else.
But really, I am hoping for a Bornean-descended president before 2000 tbh. Thems the hopes.
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An utterly wanked USA and Rhomania on opposite sides of the war, with Germany and Drakia claiming lesser successes while everyone else just gets gutted?
Seeing this play out will be interesting.
Seeing this play out will be interesting.
ATL in this TL. All of the rolls are reversed (21-actual roll).
France and Russia take several years to crush Germany, the Italians help mostly by pinning down the Austrians in the Alps and conquering Rhomania and German Syria. The Japanese lose their fleet to the British and sue for Peace relatively early in the war and the British manage to Lawrence of Arabia enough of the American new expansions to cause an American Civil War, with the Americans being reduced back to somewhat near OTL borders. Near the end of the War, the Russians end up getting involved in an effort to save their fellow Orthodox in Ethiopia leading to a rupture between the victorious Entente and the Drakia leading the French and Russia to decide that they'd rather have peace with Britain in order to have a coordinated effort to keep the Drakia in check (because if Britain falls the Drakia would be able to expand both in Africa and Asia.
Turtledove did write that Russia had come under the control of Socialists in the Domination Series, so at least that part has been covered. It would be intresting to see an alt-Russian Revolution in this timeline influenced by the forces of Geoism, Fascism, and Utopian Socialism. Now all we need to do is to figure out how to get the alt-Nazis into power.For Russia:
A Newfoundland-wank! Wow, can’t say I’ve seen that before!
It’s too bad it’ll turn American.
So how many of these are Majority White Dominions?
Ah crap... Nuclear Weapons for all it seems, don't mind the destroyed art...Don't worry- you'd didn't give me any ideas I didn't have before.
Yeah... Although Algeria may be the wrong metaphor for France, I don't think their independent government was ever freindly to France, particularly right afterwards...(eyes swivel to the expelled Pied Noirs)
So the Princes are still intergrated in just not so well intergrated their getting sent to Oxford and Eton. Interesting acceptance of mixed race people, even though Britian is more racist. It strikes me that they could try *Facism later on, to make their rule Stick or at least more manageable.. especially if the Brits lose them as it seems they could.
Yeah... We all have Abit of awesome in us and Abit of suck in us... Wonder what he'll do during the war...can't sign up with the Draka even if he wanted too and Britian would be weary of him. Maybe stay in Scandanavia and write more books.
I mean it's not uncommon for Religous people to identify with a Religon but go aganst it's teachings all the time (see how many Catholics use Birth Control today) but it would not work in a society which uses Church as its anchor like the Draka and no secularizing influences...How are the local clergy on this issue? Oh and speaking of akward disagreements for Catholics, their is no real Religous justification for war ITTL so their is certainly no Papal Bull in favor and their more likely to take the WW1 way out (being a consistent voice for peace and offering to be the mediators.). It's going to be hilarious to see Italy jump into the war with their offical head of state just telling a them to Stop.
So essentially the right to vote and the right to join local milita to defend them selves against "Serf animals" in a uprising but no major jobs and long term commitment...
Thats 250,000 children...Jesus Christ, have mercy on us. Premier Nisbet and indeed all the previous premiers have just bought themselves special tickets to Hell....
Why thanks, im happy to oblige.Quite so. Have I mentioned how much I appreciate your detailed comments? It's nice to see someone taking the time to really read my work.
Ah, so we have a substantial communitty of Irish Exiles who will hate British guts
even more than otl...
Well they win...For the Entente as a whole:
Well good bye Solomon islands and the Rhine Land...For France:
Uh oh.
Well...better than OTL which was a One if not somewhere in the negatives...For Russia:
God Bless America, from Dublin to Saigon...For America:
Libertas et Imperium.
Well Italy nice knowing you. Sad to see you be redivided, maybe when the head of state is shouting at you to stop what your doing, it's best to listen...For Italy:
Oh, poor Italy.
Japanese Empire is extended slightly...For Japan:
So they lose...Now the Central Powers;
Say goodbye to your Empire... Get your just deserts.Britain;
Germany;
Well Germany certainly handled France and Russia at least
Hello to Grossdeutchland including The Rhine and Poland...
Well good bye to my fantasies...
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Hello new Switzerland or if we want to cheer up the Austrians, maybe have them unite...Bavaria;
Rhomania;
Basileia Rhōmaiōn!
New Byzantine Empire here we come.
So they get to have all of Africa...oh shit.
For Drakia.
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