You know I got into this timeline for the Ideological developments and America vs Drakia, but I am now most intrigued by the developing treatises on the perils of interior redecorating. 
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Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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I like very much the last chapter. Indeed, the ITTL British Empire would be very profitable, but also less sustainable than OTL version. It's good that the advantages come with drawbacks.
Also, Palestine is interesting.
Also, Palestine is interesting.
Any details on how Russia became so totalitarian this early? Attempted genocide of Muslims and Manchu?
So the Holy Land is just as screwed up as in OTL? Fitting, even with an expansionist America, totalitarian Russia, and eugenicist superstate in Africa
xsampa
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Drakia:everything south of the Cameroon to the Egypt-Sudan border
Algeria, Senegal, Liberia, Nigeria: White-minority dominion
W. Africa, N. Africa: protectorates
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How are there white settlers in Nigeria? There were only 100,000 settlers in India IOTL 1920.
TTL's version of the Boshin War was a proxy war between America and Britain with the USA backing the Imperial Restoration and the British Empire backing the Shogunate. The Imperialists won, and unsurprisingly stayed pretty pro-American.
You know I got into this timeline for the Ideological developments and America vs Drakia, but I am now most intrigued by the developing treatises on the perils of interior redecorating.
It wasn't on purpose! I sat down to figure out how the next war was going to start, and a figured that the Holy Land- with its government jointly run by mutually hostile countries- was a good place. But how to spark the conflict? I was reading about these riots that happened in Jerusalem when a monk moved his chair in the wrong place and it was just too perfect.
Thank you.
The idea was to justify how Britain could grow so big ITTL, but then be unable to hang onto a dominion like Drakia. It's also based on the real-life imperialist methods pioneered by France post-decolonization.Some things are the same no matter what TL you're in.
A legacy of the more successful French Revolution and the ongoing threat of the French Republic, was Russia becoming more authoritarian in the hopes of preventing the spread of revolutionary and republican ideals. Also the challenge of ruling over their expanded empire- no attempted genocide but a pretty brutal rule nonetheless, with attempts to stamp out local cultures.
It's ladder, not latter, and yes, the war starting over a chair, of all things?!? This is my reaction:
That is all...
Quite right about the ladder, fixed. And the chair was really just the trigger- they were looking for a war already.
Hasn't really changed since the map in the last chapter. @xsampa describes it pretty well.
We'll just have to wait and see- I'm letting the dice decide to what extent Britain's colonies stick with Britain or go with Drakia.
Screwed up differently, but yes.
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God I hope at least North Africa frees itself from the British in this war. Historically WW1 was filled to the brim with revolts in Africa. And this time, the Europeans would have no qualms destroying the colonial structure without fear of a quid pro quo reaction from the British in Africa.
I hope not. Because kicking the British out = being alone to face the Draka. And the British Empire was never nice at all, ITTL it's even worse... But the Draka, well...
Finally finished catching up on this excellent timeline! My main question is how has Ireland holding up? Considering how the British Empire (and the Union as its own entity) is seemingly more vilified ITTL, what became of the Potato Famine and Daniel O'Connell?
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The Draka lack the population advantage and manufacturing capability to overrun the continent imo.
Even the Brits historically had trouble enforcing rule in the denser parts of Africa. Its why the Ghanians got voting rights and native education in the 20s and the Golden Stool War ended with Ashantiland's de facto internal autonomy.
Same with Nigeria a bit later on. Here theyve got to deal with Algeria, and Egypt, both of whom will have their intellectuals speaking both Arabic and English and fostering Arab nationalism. Let alone the rest of the Mali basin from Senegal to Cameroon, which around 1900 held 20-30 million people. (The continent itself had 90-100 million).
Once the British are out their rivals will be all too happy to fund these new states with arms and credit.
As for Drakia, the reality of enforcing control over 50 million people across an area twice the size of OTL America won't go away.
Hitler said once: "If all Indians spat at once, all British in India would have drowned".
You can rule over whole lot of people, if instead of compulsive obsessive need to bureaucratise, nationalise, and modernise, you're content that some local native princes are sending you tribute of slaves and ivory. There, 5 million natives are no longer your trouble.
There is reason feudalism works so well. Number of people, and thus problems, you have to deal with directly falls drastically.
If British had set up more princely states rather than try to integrate them one-by-one under doctrine of lapse, they could run India quite longer.
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There were also only a few British in India. Most of British rule was enforced by either the princely states or Sepoys. Drakia is like South Africa OTL writ large. A massive amount of white Europeans that have a home base in the territory they are administrating. Even if the white Drakians are only 20% of the population, that is still plenty to keep the black majority down as long as they control the guns, the trade routes, and have enough collaborators (arabs/Turkish, etc)