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And the Portuguese-Americans are quite Republican in nature, it's no wonder they condemned th le Monarchy restoration as "Against The Progress", but that was what practically defines The Cold War.
DBWI: Axis Japan, Allied USSR
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I also have been thinking recently, but what if the US sent more of its troops to the Afghan Front? Of course, the main reason they mostly left that front to the Commonwealth and French was that they saw eastern Russia and the PLA as bigger threats, and the same naturally went for Japan and the RoC. Hence the sheer number of warships they had already begun sending over to Japan by the time the USSR bombed Alaska.
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It probably wouldn't have helped much, the nature of the infrastructure in the region, the lack of Soviet opposition once Montgomery rolled over Kulik's forces during Market Garden (of course a lot had to go wrong for the Soviets for everything to go so right for Monty, so it's hard to imagine how it could go as well as real life in this ATL) and the need for troops for M-Day to open the desired European Front, means that even if the US thought that the Afghan front was the single most important front of the war they'd still probably leave it in Anglo-French hands if only because sending US troops in would just free up Commonwealth troops to go do jobs that they could just ship Americans to directly.
And post-war Afghanistan is still a country landlocked by the Raj with all supplies for the allied armies there going through British controlled ports in Pakistan.
Obviously Admiral Darlan would probably sail back into Marseilles like he did regardless, the naval war probably doesn't change much given the state of the Afghan front by the time the US entered the war, but you're basically proposing sailing thousands of GIs around the world to Pakistan so that thousands of Commonwealth troops could then sail around the world to Britain and then France/the Netherlands. When you could just do what they did OTL, ship the American divisions across the Atlantic to Britain and from there across the Channel to Europe. It's just a lot less hassle.
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Also, the fact the US was closer to Asia meant the UK no longer had to worry about Hong Kong. Why send the ships all the way from Singapore when the US could just go there and provide backup. Even with all the naval forces needed to keep Japan safe.
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If the US prioritized the Afghan front over europe or the rest of asia, Petrograd would be even worse. OTL, Truman wanted the soviet people onside, seeing the political battle taking shape (even if his policy for handling it was bad) so he had as many american soldiers as possible evacuate anyone who surrendered and use what technology they could to help with the nuclear health concerns. Personally my favorite quote from him was in this regard came when he was asked how he felt about the fall of the soviets
"The Soviet People are what America could have, and by many measures, should have been. Abused by a cruel and foolish monarch, they rebelled and established a new government, unseen on this world. The difference is that their revolution was hijacked by a madman, and ours led by a compassionate hero. We are kindred spirits, america and the soviet union. But our brothers have been misguided. And hopefully we can help them find a better path."
"The Soviet People are what America could have, and by many measures, should have been. Abused by a cruel and foolish monarch, they rebelled and established a new government, unseen on this world. The difference is that their revolution was hijacked by a madman, and ours led by a compassionate hero. We are kindred spirits, america and the soviet union. But our brothers have been misguided. And hopefully we can help them find a better path."
That was...maybe not a blessing in disguise, but it kicked off the postwar Civil Rights reformation that obliterated segregation and established a lot more social equality. Simply put, the American government should have picked a fight with someone a little less heroic than Dr. Boris Titov.
The Titov decision - a 6-3 old shame for SCOTUS that allowed the Russian internship - kick-started the combined efforts of Dr. Titov, who became a legal advocate and inspiring speaker who marched with the likes of Martin Luther King and managed to reform Malik El-Shabazz, once a firebrand hater of white America who became a relentless legal advocate for equality and is regarded as the Civil Rights movement’s greatest anti-hero.
Titov helped garner economic equality, and that was the biggest lift for minorities of all types - and eventually for women, though his son Vladimir was more instrumental there.
Not that the Japanese really needed naval support: especially not after they ripped the Soviet Pacific Fleet apart in the Battle of Tartary Strait. Though the American-made tanks and anti-tank guns were vital: and of course licensed copies of the first jet fighters...
Remember that one reason they chose the cities that were nuked was because the Allies did not want to use any of them on places close enough for occupied territories to be present. Which was the main reason Kiev was only on the list of options for about a week.
IMO, the real end to the Cold War was ironically the sealing of the cultural divide. Mainly with the success of 1971's Threads, and their realistically disturbing depictions of what nuclear attacks on Chicago and Liverpool would quickly amount to, as well as how their respective allies; France/China (in the US' case) and Japan/Brazil (in the UK's case); would be dragged in quickly.
Even before that in the 1960s, we had the aeformentioned popularity of British Animation as American animation began its Dark Age. Which thankfully was pretty short-lived when Walt Disney appointed Don Bluth as the head of animation in the wake of Roy O. Disney's death, and Bluth's first film for Disney, Kate Crackernuts.
Even before that in the 1960s, we had the aeformentioned popularity of British Animation as American animation began its Dark Age. Which thankfully was pretty short-lived when Walt Disney appointed Don Bluth as the head of animation in the wake of Roy O. Disney's death, and Bluth's first film for Disney, Kate Crackernuts.
Don't forget the Liberators and Superfortress bombers the US sent to the Japanese home islands. Then used to pound Soviet positions in Korea and Manchuria.
Let's also remember the fact that the war was eventually the one that led to the revival of Poland-Lithuania, since the two countries were too weak to stand on their own at the end, they turned to the US for help rebuilding their countries as a new Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth, plus including all the territory that would otherwise have been the nation of Belarus.
In the east, there's also the fact that, if it's of any consolation, China at least got Mongolia.
In the east, there's also the fact that, if it's of any consolation, China at least got Mongolia.
I can't help but think that a Cold War against the USSR would have devastating consequences, or have further hostilities even after its "official" end. Unlike IOTL, where we've seen a succession of Russian leaders from Kruschev to Nemtsov kneeling at the victims of the USSR memorials in Eastern Europe, with Russia being a generally neutral democracy.
I thought he was hanged after being found guilty of all charges at the Volgograd trials. Or was it Serov who was executed, and then Kruschev was the one who had the change of heart?
I created a little map of the war's progress by the end of 1942, anyone who feels there needs to be corrections can give them.
Other way round with Sakhalin I think - Japan would have overrun the island entirely early on in the war. The Soviets couldn't have reinforced it, their Pacific Fleet would have been ripped apart in the first major battle.
Also remind me, but didn't the US land in other parts of the USSR, and weren't there other parts of France not occupied. Not to mention that I think France still held onto all its African territories. At any rate, I think it took the US Navy landing in some more places before Japan got Sakhalin.
Anything else I missed?
Either way, what I do know for sure is that the real progress in China only began when Mao was in a building that was blown to bits a Hellcat during the Battle of Shanghai.
To be fair, Poland was smack in the middle between Germany and the USSR. So the fact that one made so little progress was only natural.
As for the French Resistance, the fact is that the 1943 landings at Marsailles would have likely not been possible without their help. Hell, M-Day was originally intended to be a back-up plan if those landings failed. Of course, it worked, but they landed in Normandy and the Netherlands anyway.
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