List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Yeah yeah it's called Miss Atomic Bomb and I finished it about two weeks ago, what's your point?
Bolt451
Gone Fishin'
Yeah yeah it's called Miss Atomic Bomb and I finished it about two weeks ago, what's your point?
And its awesome btw
sorry I forgot to Like stuff, let it be known that I Like it but Blargh, trying to write a "2017 London is ISOT'd to 1917 list" but its not happening. May do a spot of research. Interesting to see what'd happen with 2017 works rights being advocated to 1917. Possible revolution? Something involving JR Clynes and John McDonnell heading up government.
Thank you very much and it's quite alright! Have you read any of my new TL? I keep trying to start Ward 13 but I have so much uni pre-readingAnd its awesome btw
but Blargh, trying to write a "2017 London is ISOT'd to 1917 list" but its not happening. May do a spot of research. Interesting to see what'd happen with 2017 works rights being advocated to 1917. Possible revolution? Something involving JR Clynes and John McDonnell heading up government.
And ooh that sounds interesting! That would definitely have some huge repercussions, especially on the end of WW1...
Bolt451
Gone Fishin'
Thank you very much and it's quite alright! Have you read any of my new TL? I keep trying to start Ward 13 but I have so much uni pre-reading
And ooh that sounds interesting! That would definitely have some huge repercussions, especially on the end of WW1...
Well the first thing they'd have if it happened today, even without tech upgrade is they'd know how to deal with Passchendaele better!
Rough idea is the government is too busy dealing with WW1 they fail to see the spread of technology and ideas throughout the country, Empire and wider world. Can you imagine the face of the UK Ambassador to India for example!
The other interesting thing is would the government even be accepted by the "downtimers"? It's so alien to their values that it makes no sense for them to accept it's rule in some ways...
Bolt451
Gone Fishin'
But its a huge amount of technology, potentially an in session commons, and if George V was in London at the time, then London may serve as a source of the monarch! I think London might have to compromise to get sources of food and electricity (If the latter is doable at all! )
I might start making slow notes. if you want to continue chatting about this by PMs you can, no worries if not.
Many A Hero OH DEAR
Prime Ministers of Northern Ireland
1921-1922: James Craig (Ulster Unionist)
1921 (Majority) def. none (Independent Nationalist)
1922-1922: David Shillington (Pro-Treaty Ulster Unionist)
1922 (Minority) def. James Craig (Anti-Treaty Ulster Unionist), Sam Kyle (Labour), Robert Nathaniel Boyd (Agriculturalist)
1922-1923: George Hanna (Pro-Treaty Ulster Unionist minority)
1923-1932: George Hanna (Conservative-Unionist)
1923 (Minority) def. James Craig (Covenanter), Robert Nathaniel Boyd (Agriculturalist), Sam Kyle (Labour)
1927 June (Minority) def. James Craig (Ulster Protestant), Sam Kyle (Labour), George Henderson (Agriculturalist), Joe Devlin (Nationalist), Edward Carson (Ulster Unionist)
1927 September (Minority with Agriculturalist and Independent confidence and supply) def. James Craig (Ulster Protestant), Sam Kyle (Labour), George Henderson (Agriculturalist)
1932-1943: James Craig (Ulster Protestant)
1932 (Minority with Labour confidence and supply) def. George Hanna (Conservative-Unionist), Jack Beattie (Labour)
1933 (Minority with Labour confidence and supply) def. George Hanna (Conservative-Unionist), George Henderson (Ulster Farmers and Independents League), Jack Beattie (Labour)
1937 (Minority) def. George Hanna (British Union), Jack Beattie (Labour)
1938 (Majority) def. George Hanna (British Union), Harry Midgeley (Labour)
Prime Ministers of Northern Ireland
1921-1922: James Craig (Ulster Unionist)
1921 (Majority) def. none (Independent Nationalist)
1922-1922: David Shillington (Pro-Treaty Ulster Unionist)
1922 (Minority) def. James Craig (Anti-Treaty Ulster Unionist), Sam Kyle (Labour), Robert Nathaniel Boyd (Agriculturalist)
1922-1923: George Hanna (Pro-Treaty Ulster Unionist minority)
1923-1932: George Hanna (Conservative-Unionist)
1923 (Minority) def. James Craig (Covenanter), Robert Nathaniel Boyd (Agriculturalist), Sam Kyle (Labour)
1927 June (Minority) def. James Craig (Ulster Protestant), Sam Kyle (Labour), George Henderson (Agriculturalist), Joe Devlin (Nationalist), Edward Carson (Ulster Unionist)
1927 September (Minority with Agriculturalist and Independent confidence and supply) def. James Craig (Ulster Protestant), Sam Kyle (Labour), George Henderson (Agriculturalist)
1932-1943: James Craig (Ulster Protestant)
1932 (Minority with Labour confidence and supply) def. George Hanna (Conservative-Unionist), Jack Beattie (Labour)
1933 (Minority with Labour confidence and supply) def. George Hanna (Conservative-Unionist), George Henderson (Ulster Farmers and Independents League), Jack Beattie (Labour)
1937 (Minority) def. George Hanna (British Union), Jack Beattie (Labour)
1938 (Majority) def. George Hanna (British Union), Harry Midgeley (Labour)
Nor would many Londoners be sanguine about allowing the downtimers to elect Members of Parliament who are basically BNP members by modern standards. Surely some kind of John Birmingham-style "autonomy" for London is the best-case scenario?
Japhy
Banned
It Almost Happened Here: The Rise, Fizzle and Fall of American Fascism
So I'm working on my second collection of WWII Vignettes, and, well lets call this list a preview for one of the upcoming shorts. If anyone can guess what the Vignette is going to be specifically about after this I'll be immensely impressed. Also any other comments too, because comments are cooler than likes.
1921-1924: Warren G. Harding / J. Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1920: James M. Cox / Francis B. Harrison (Democratic)[1]
1924-1925: J. Calvin Coolidge / vacant (Republican)
1925-1926: J. Calvin Coolidge / Henry C. Wallace (Republican)[2]
1924: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Charles W. Bryan (Democratic)[3]
1926-1929: J. Calvin Coolidge / vacant (Republican)
1929-1933: J. Calvin Coolidge / Charles Curtis (Republican)[4]
1928: William G. McAdoo / Thomas J. Walsh (Democratic), William E. Borah / John J. Blaine (Progressive)[5]
1933-1941: Alfred E. Smith / John N. Garner (Democratic)[6]
1932: Charles G. Dawes / Herbert C. Hoover (Republican), Floyd B. Olson / George R. Lunn (Popular Front)[7]
1936: H. Styles Bridges / W. Franklin Knox (Republican), Burton K. Wheeler / Robert R. Reynolds (Union), James P. Cannon / Daniel W. Hoan(Popular Front)[8]
1941-1942: John W. Davis / Wendell L. Wilkie (Democratic)[9]
1940: Herbert C. Hoover / Charles L. McNary (Republican), Norman M. Thomas / John W. Ford (Popular Front), Walter W. Waters / Raymond C. Moley (Unionist)
1942-1944: John W. Davis / vacant (Democratic)
1944-1945: John W. Davis / Fiorello H. La Guardia (Democratic / Independent)[10]
1945-1949: John W. Davis / Adolf A. Berle (Democratic)[11]
1944: Herbert C. Hoover / Edward M. Dirksen (Republican), James P. Cannon / Robert M. La Follette, Jr. (Progressive Coalition)
[1] The death of Josephus Daniels in the winter of 1916-17 opened up a prime position in Woodrow Wilson's cabinet that couldn't be wasted on someone who's main basis was talent. While there was much talk about appointing Theodore Roosevelt to the job, the president avoided that by offering the post of Progressive Bainbridge Colby to the job. When the United States entered the First World War, a snubbed, annoyed and Glory hunting Franklin Roosevelt resigned as Assistant Secretary of the department and went to command a Battalion of Marines on the Western Front, where he was decorated for bravery but assured that in the Post-Armistice Wilson administration and its paranoia that he was persona non grata. In spite of this running with his war record and with the cautious support of Governor Al Smith and the quiet neutrality of his Uncle-in-Law he was elected Senator from New York.
[2] Warren Harding had begun an major push to Reform and purge his administration as the Teapot Dome Scandal took over, in the end firing the majority of his cabinet and rehabilitating his reputation partially before his death shortly before the start of the 1924 Primaries. In his leftward shift his Vice President gained major credibility with the GOP Right, and faced no challenges from them as he assumed control of the administration, instead it was an annoyed, disappointed and ascendant Left that had to be appeased, leading to the nomination of one of Harding and Coolidge's more hardline reformers, who in a sad irony would die like his old boss, before completing his term in office.
[3] The 1924 Convention was a battle to the death (or at least exhaustion) between two rough factions that almost aligned with a divide of Rural, Dry and Conservative versus Urban, Wet and Liberal. William G. McAdoo the son in law of Woodrow Wilson and candidate supported by the rapidly growing and terrifyingly empowered Ku Klux Klan steamrolled Anti-Klan Segregationist Oscar Underwood while Tammany Hall former Ward Healer and noted Catholic Al Smith tried to hold the party left together. In the end it took over 100 ballots for the party to find its man in compromise. FDR, War Hero, Senator and Patrician had given the opening address at the New York Convention and been well received. While personally he was disgusted by the Klan and had arrived at the convention intending the passively and with personal regret support Smith, he was convinced to simply remain quiet on the Klan issue, pick the kid brother of William Jennings Bryan as his VP and shout from the rooftops about how the Republican Government was so corrupt the last President had worked himself into the grave trying to confront it. The most hardline elements of the Klan were displeased by this, but most of those Klaverns that had sided with the Democrats delivered, though it was not enough to turn the election around for the Democrats.
[4] While Secretary of Commerce and Undersecretary of Everything Else Herbert Hoover had hoped that 1928 was finally to be his year, in the end Calvin Coolidge, possibly boosted by watching the long drawn-out recovery from blood poisoning and fever of his son Calvin Jr finally end in triumph, chose to seek a second full term and become the longest serving president in American History. While at the time the massive, record breaking victory he had achieved seemed to show that things would only keep getting better, the Credit Bubble, the Farm Slump, Benjamin Strong's incestuous policies with his European Counterparts, the long term repercussions of the loss of the Russian Market, the Florida Real Estate Bubble, and of course the madness of the Stock Market saw it all come crashing down.
As the Stock Market crash turned into the Great Depression Coolidge's legacy was shredded apart as he followed the most hardline of old-school economics, as supported by his long term embattled but supported Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon. Working to cut federal spending and refusing to even subside state-level efforts or a number of purely Republican or bipartisan proposed actions as one in four American Men found themselves out of work. His discussions with General Douglas MacArthur the morning that the Bonus Army Marchers was attacked by the US Army have long been a point of conjure and contention but to most served as the final disgrace, ending any credibility.
[5]After the compromise of Franklin Roosevelt the Democratic Right, convinced in their strength and in the face of that Pre-October of '29 unstoppable economic triumph, were able to take the party, with McAdoo finally getting the nomination he had so long sought. Socialist, Farmer-Labor and other Left wing efforts in the 1920's having failed though, the "lack of option" in 1928, which the late Robert LaFollette had insisted was the litmus test of 1924, the McAdoo nomination did see Progressive deserters, the Socialist Party of America and other factions unite behind a Progressive run by dissident Senator William E. Borah doing well enough in the West that for the next for years various left-wing movements and parties would keep talking in the face of Economic Armageddon.
[6] In the lead up to 1932 there was no question about Governor of New York Al Smith running, his right wing opponents were discredited, the economy of New York had been strong enough that he had been able to launch a number of Liberal Reforms in directions of mass action different then the Progressiveism of the Roosevelt-Taft-Wilson-Harding years with the positive impacts to prove their worth. Furthermore he had a Brain Trust and a Kitchen Cabinet uniting the great minds of the country with the best men of the backrooms of the Democratic Party (And Tammany Hall). John Nance Garner the Speaker of the House had united the South behind him and became the only viable alternative and his selection as Vice President and quiet agreements to see him sitting actively in the cabinet and as the point man for legislation saw Smith easily being able to brush aside Favorite Sons, a Quixotic run by Franklin Roosevelt and strange talk on the furthest left of the party to win a massive landslide.
Over the next few years Smith and his Fair Deal programs would redefine the relationship of the American people and their government, with the creation of numerous relief organizations, work programs, including but not limited to the Works Progress Administration, the half dozen River Valley Authorities, and the Social Security Administration. Men like Robert Moses, James Farley and Joe Kennedy came to national prominence with their efforts though facing intense limits with the Smith administrations firm hold towards the Individualism of Older Progressive thought which was at odds with the younger generation of "Whiz Kids" such as Rexford Tugwell and Raymond Moley who would be forced out of office in the midterms. Easily winning a second term with a comfortable majority, Smith would keep on, battling the United States Supreme Court but avoiding more awkward proposals as offered by some of his Brain Trust, capping off his dramatic terms with the Second Social Security Act, elevating the SSA to the Cabinet and expanding its mandate to include National Health Insurance and legislation to help place Labor Union Representatives on Corporate Boards. For the rest of his life he would insist his greatest accomplishment was the repeal of Prohibition in the first year of his term.
[7] The Progressive Party run and "United Fronts" of the last Coolidge Years ended with a pact between half a dozen parties creating the Popular Front of various Socialist, Communist, and other Radicals in top level ticket. Selecting the Farmer-Labor Governor of Minnesota and the first Socialist Mayor in the United States (Turned radical Democrat, former Lt. Governor of New York and permanent enemy of Al Smith) the Popular Front would horrify much of the country when it won nearly one in ten votes.
[8] The depths of horror of the Coolidge Years and the depression that followed afterwards would see not just a turn towards the Left, but also more radical and populist movements. Farmer-Labor, Non-Partisan League, A New Populist Party, Evangelical Political forces, and countless Independents into office. Huey Long, Fr. Charles Coughlin, and John R. Brinkley being only some of the more prominent figures in this movement. A common thread in these radical right forces was that they initially were supportive of the Smith Administration but inevitably turned against it due countless varied, and often contradictory reasons. Proposing massive populist transformation and often leaning on undemocratic political alliances and machines, and heapings of force to maintain their positions they flirted, as many did in the political mainstream that perhaps Democracy had gone too far. In 1935 and 1936 Huey Long, his Share Our Wealth program in hand began to unite these forces in the Union Party. Bonus Army Radicals, American admirers of Mussolini and Hitler, Social Crediters, Radical Veterans Organizations, Klan Holdouts, and others were quick to join the party as well, naturally drawn to the right-radical nature of its programs and the near-dictatorial centralized nature of the Unionites. In 1936 though its paramilitaries could be written off as modern Wide Awakes, and its program could still be seen as purely reformist, Progressive discontents provided a veneer that allowed it to win four states in the election, as well as numerous lower offices.
The Popular Front on the other hand had begun a decline, dropping down to 6% of the popular vote with the gains of Fair Deal taking many back to the political mainstream. The Popular Front nomination had been offered to the Governor of California but Upton Sinclair had refused and EPIC, the End Poverty In California/In the Country was ensured a permanent Social Democratic component of the Democratic Party (In California the Anti-Poverty Democratic Party is the official name of the state party to this day). That said numerous Mayoralities, Congressional seats and a pair of Senators would remain in Popular Front hands for years to follow, the fact that these offices were generally held by the least radical parties in the front having little impact on national paranoia, and the boosted IWW which was a component couldn't help itself but act as it had a generation ago.
[9]Al Smith heading towards the door, there was talk of Franklin Roosevelt or Herbert Lehman taking the job in 1940, in the end though Smith agreed to support the Border State moderate John Davis, who had served as his Attorney General, rather then seeing what appeared to be a wide open race with few strong options. President Davis, partnered with a Smithite Progressive Ally who had served as head of the National Valley Electrification Board and as the first Secretary of Social Security, won comfortably by generally pointing to the Coolidge legacy and taking advantage of the disarray of the Union Party as "The Kingfish" fled first to Havana and then Paris in 1939 just ahead of the FBI over serious questions of finance and taxes. War was already underway in Europe and the Davis/Wilkie administration took an active role in stepping up support for the Western Allies, pushing beyond Smith's Cash and Carry policies. Opposition for this was strong with the Union Party outright denouncing it and Broad-based Isolationists like the America First Committee and the Keep America Out Of War Committee showing a less reactionary opposition. This though came to an end, first slowly after several violent confrontations between the US Navy's neutrality patrol in the Atlantic and then Immediately with the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor bringing the US into the War in December of 1941. Leftist Opposition to the War would see dramatic political changes on the far left as the more Moscow Oriented factions followed the Moscow line and Zigged from August of 1939 to June of 1941 and Zagged on orders after.
The country nearly entirely closed ranks, except for the Union Party. Membership in a large part plummeted but the remainder was centrally focused on the Defense Committees, State and National Guards. Tapping into a (Actual IOTL) strong national sentiment that didn't conflict with their support for Berlin and Rome they would take the stance that the US War in Europe was unnecessary and that a ceasefire with the Reich and the rest of the European Axis must be secured to defeat the only true enemy: Japan. Paranoid ramblings about Jews and Bankers took away from this but the stream of thought would find a disturbingly secure line of support until Operation Torch just before the 1942 midterms. In February of 1942 the bombing of an Alcoa factory in Upstate New York would begin a year of ever more violent action by the Conestoga Guard: The fascist underground resistance spawned out and supported by much of the Union Party. After years of perpetual duty the National Guards of several Unionist Party stronghold states were considered some of the best in the country and few in the Army high command felt that breaking them up would see much benefit. The tragic result being the attempted Coup of June 1942 in Washington DC.
Doomed by an ideology that was convinced that they had mass US popular support and needed only to decapitate a Marxian-Jewish-Finance conspiracy a small band of National and Conestoga Guards attempted to seize key points in Washington, and to kill various national political figures. Governors Herbert Lehman and Upton Sinclair, Norman Thomas, Bernard Baruch, Supreme Court Justices Benjamin Cardozo and Felix Frankfurter, Ambassador at Large William C. Bullitt and Vice President Wilkie being the most prominent victims of the death squads. There was combat on the lawn of the White House and at the Pentagon. There were several small scale mutiny attempts in the fleet, and one squadron of Dive Bombers attacked random targets in New York City. The coup failed within hours and horrified the nation. The idea that President Davis would "see the light" if only the putsch could "show him the truth" was so far from reality as to have made the whole effort pure madness. For the remainder of the war, there would be a low-level insurgency of Conestoga remnants, mostly limited to terrorizing the Mountain West. The last substantial combat action on the American Front was completed in the Spring of 1945 when the 555th Airborne Regiment (Colored) did a combat drop on a compound in Sonora, Mexico where Conestoga Guard Commander-in-Chief Robert W. Welch was killed in action. Other leaders of the movement and the Union Party having either gone into exile, or been imprisoned or exiled for some time. With the death of Welch what remnants of the Conestoga Guards either disintegrated or went underground with rare attacks in their name occurring as late as 1966.
The American Front would be deemed to have had a negligible impact on the war effort.
[10] In the aftermath of the coup and the murder of Vice President Wilkie an effort was put underway rapidly, with bi-partisan support to establish a means of filling a vacancy in the office and protocol for the incapacitation of a sitting president. With its passage early in 1944 President Davis selected a Progressive, Former Republican who had once brushed up with the Union Party in 1936 before becoming one of its sharpest critics as Mayor of New York. Vice President La Guardia's time in office is seen as a prime example of that Unity Spirit that took over the United States after the coup and would carry on though to V-J Day in December of 1945 with a legacy long after the fact.
[11] There was considerable talk in the country in the lead up to the 1944 election to see a Non Partisan Unity Ticket. Wendell Wilkie would have been the obvious man to lead such a ticket according to Herbert Hoover who had after several years of wartime service as a Special Ambassador been ready and willing to bring the GOP into such a coalition on the bottom of the ticket. Instead the Democratic Party left pushed hard for one of its own young radicals to take the job. Wits noted that there would never be another man on an American ticket named Berle, but the GOP and the organized remnant of the Far Left that had survived Molotov-Ribbentrop and the changing winds of Moscow declined to run with the obvious gift. The 1944 elections would see a level of collusion as the Democrats and the Republicans quietly worked together to ensure that any Independents who were deemed too close to the Union Party were wiped out. No effort at Social Credit or any other such ideology deemed as code for Neo-Fascists would be permitted to make gains in the country for decades to come. A post-war spate of political violence against "Government by Sheriffs" in the former Insurgency heartlands and in some portions of the American South following the trend of the fabled "Battle of Athens" being a topic of concern for years to follow before the "threat" of Servicemen's Non-Partisan Organizations faded with the "reintroduction" of Democracy to the affected areas.
So I'm working on my second collection of WWII Vignettes, and, well lets call this list a preview for one of the upcoming shorts. If anyone can guess what the Vignette is going to be specifically about after this I'll be immensely impressed. Also any other comments too, because comments are cooler than likes.
1921-1924: Warren G. Harding / J. Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1920: James M. Cox / Francis B. Harrison (Democratic)[1]
1924-1925: J. Calvin Coolidge / vacant (Republican)
1925-1926: J. Calvin Coolidge / Henry C. Wallace (Republican)[2]
1924: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Charles W. Bryan (Democratic)[3]
1926-1929: J. Calvin Coolidge / vacant (Republican)
1929-1933: J. Calvin Coolidge / Charles Curtis (Republican)[4]
1928: William G. McAdoo / Thomas J. Walsh (Democratic), William E. Borah / John J. Blaine (Progressive)[5]
1933-1941: Alfred E. Smith / John N. Garner (Democratic)[6]
1932: Charles G. Dawes / Herbert C. Hoover (Republican), Floyd B. Olson / George R. Lunn (Popular Front)[7]
1936: H. Styles Bridges / W. Franklin Knox (Republican), Burton K. Wheeler / Robert R. Reynolds (Union), James P. Cannon / Daniel W. Hoan(Popular Front)[8]
1941-1942: John W. Davis / Wendell L. Wilkie (Democratic)[9]
1940: Herbert C. Hoover / Charles L. McNary (Republican), Norman M. Thomas / John W. Ford (Popular Front), Walter W. Waters / Raymond C. Moley (Unionist)
1942-1944: John W. Davis / vacant (Democratic)
1944-1945: John W. Davis / Fiorello H. La Guardia (Democratic / Independent)[10]
1945-1949: John W. Davis / Adolf A. Berle (Democratic)[11]
1944: Herbert C. Hoover / Edward M. Dirksen (Republican), James P. Cannon / Robert M. La Follette, Jr. (Progressive Coalition)
[1] The death of Josephus Daniels in the winter of 1916-17 opened up a prime position in Woodrow Wilson's cabinet that couldn't be wasted on someone who's main basis was talent. While there was much talk about appointing Theodore Roosevelt to the job, the president avoided that by offering the post of Progressive Bainbridge Colby to the job. When the United States entered the First World War, a snubbed, annoyed and Glory hunting Franklin Roosevelt resigned as Assistant Secretary of the department and went to command a Battalion of Marines on the Western Front, where he was decorated for bravery but assured that in the Post-Armistice Wilson administration and its paranoia that he was persona non grata. In spite of this running with his war record and with the cautious support of Governor Al Smith and the quiet neutrality of his Uncle-in-Law he was elected Senator from New York.
[2] Warren Harding had begun an major push to Reform and purge his administration as the Teapot Dome Scandal took over, in the end firing the majority of his cabinet and rehabilitating his reputation partially before his death shortly before the start of the 1924 Primaries. In his leftward shift his Vice President gained major credibility with the GOP Right, and faced no challenges from them as he assumed control of the administration, instead it was an annoyed, disappointed and ascendant Left that had to be appeased, leading to the nomination of one of Harding and Coolidge's more hardline reformers, who in a sad irony would die like his old boss, before completing his term in office.
[3] The 1924 Convention was a battle to the death (or at least exhaustion) between two rough factions that almost aligned with a divide of Rural, Dry and Conservative versus Urban, Wet and Liberal. William G. McAdoo the son in law of Woodrow Wilson and candidate supported by the rapidly growing and terrifyingly empowered Ku Klux Klan steamrolled Anti-Klan Segregationist Oscar Underwood while Tammany Hall former Ward Healer and noted Catholic Al Smith tried to hold the party left together. In the end it took over 100 ballots for the party to find its man in compromise. FDR, War Hero, Senator and Patrician had given the opening address at the New York Convention and been well received. While personally he was disgusted by the Klan and had arrived at the convention intending the passively and with personal regret support Smith, he was convinced to simply remain quiet on the Klan issue, pick the kid brother of William Jennings Bryan as his VP and shout from the rooftops about how the Republican Government was so corrupt the last President had worked himself into the grave trying to confront it. The most hardline elements of the Klan were displeased by this, but most of those Klaverns that had sided with the Democrats delivered, though it was not enough to turn the election around for the Democrats.
[4] While Secretary of Commerce and Undersecretary of Everything Else Herbert Hoover had hoped that 1928 was finally to be his year, in the end Calvin Coolidge, possibly boosted by watching the long drawn-out recovery from blood poisoning and fever of his son Calvin Jr finally end in triumph, chose to seek a second full term and become the longest serving president in American History. While at the time the massive, record breaking victory he had achieved seemed to show that things would only keep getting better, the Credit Bubble, the Farm Slump, Benjamin Strong's incestuous policies with his European Counterparts, the long term repercussions of the loss of the Russian Market, the Florida Real Estate Bubble, and of course the madness of the Stock Market saw it all come crashing down.
As the Stock Market crash turned into the Great Depression Coolidge's legacy was shredded apart as he followed the most hardline of old-school economics, as supported by his long term embattled but supported Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon. Working to cut federal spending and refusing to even subside state-level efforts or a number of purely Republican or bipartisan proposed actions as one in four American Men found themselves out of work. His discussions with General Douglas MacArthur the morning that the Bonus Army Marchers was attacked by the US Army have long been a point of conjure and contention but to most served as the final disgrace, ending any credibility.
[5]After the compromise of Franklin Roosevelt the Democratic Right, convinced in their strength and in the face of that Pre-October of '29 unstoppable economic triumph, were able to take the party, with McAdoo finally getting the nomination he had so long sought. Socialist, Farmer-Labor and other Left wing efforts in the 1920's having failed though, the "lack of option" in 1928, which the late Robert LaFollette had insisted was the litmus test of 1924, the McAdoo nomination did see Progressive deserters, the Socialist Party of America and other factions unite behind a Progressive run by dissident Senator William E. Borah doing well enough in the West that for the next for years various left-wing movements and parties would keep talking in the face of Economic Armageddon.
[6] In the lead up to 1932 there was no question about Governor of New York Al Smith running, his right wing opponents were discredited, the economy of New York had been strong enough that he had been able to launch a number of Liberal Reforms in directions of mass action different then the Progressiveism of the Roosevelt-Taft-Wilson-Harding years with the positive impacts to prove their worth. Furthermore he had a Brain Trust and a Kitchen Cabinet uniting the great minds of the country with the best men of the backrooms of the Democratic Party (And Tammany Hall). John Nance Garner the Speaker of the House had united the South behind him and became the only viable alternative and his selection as Vice President and quiet agreements to see him sitting actively in the cabinet and as the point man for legislation saw Smith easily being able to brush aside Favorite Sons, a Quixotic run by Franklin Roosevelt and strange talk on the furthest left of the party to win a massive landslide.
Over the next few years Smith and his Fair Deal programs would redefine the relationship of the American people and their government, with the creation of numerous relief organizations, work programs, including but not limited to the Works Progress Administration, the half dozen River Valley Authorities, and the Social Security Administration. Men like Robert Moses, James Farley and Joe Kennedy came to national prominence with their efforts though facing intense limits with the Smith administrations firm hold towards the Individualism of Older Progressive thought which was at odds with the younger generation of "Whiz Kids" such as Rexford Tugwell and Raymond Moley who would be forced out of office in the midterms. Easily winning a second term with a comfortable majority, Smith would keep on, battling the United States Supreme Court but avoiding more awkward proposals as offered by some of his Brain Trust, capping off his dramatic terms with the Second Social Security Act, elevating the SSA to the Cabinet and expanding its mandate to include National Health Insurance and legislation to help place Labor Union Representatives on Corporate Boards. For the rest of his life he would insist his greatest accomplishment was the repeal of Prohibition in the first year of his term.
[7] The Progressive Party run and "United Fronts" of the last Coolidge Years ended with a pact between half a dozen parties creating the Popular Front of various Socialist, Communist, and other Radicals in top level ticket. Selecting the Farmer-Labor Governor of Minnesota and the first Socialist Mayor in the United States (Turned radical Democrat, former Lt. Governor of New York and permanent enemy of Al Smith) the Popular Front would horrify much of the country when it won nearly one in ten votes.
[8] The depths of horror of the Coolidge Years and the depression that followed afterwards would see not just a turn towards the Left, but also more radical and populist movements. Farmer-Labor, Non-Partisan League, A New Populist Party, Evangelical Political forces, and countless Independents into office. Huey Long, Fr. Charles Coughlin, and John R. Brinkley being only some of the more prominent figures in this movement. A common thread in these radical right forces was that they initially were supportive of the Smith Administration but inevitably turned against it due countless varied, and often contradictory reasons. Proposing massive populist transformation and often leaning on undemocratic political alliances and machines, and heapings of force to maintain their positions they flirted, as many did in the political mainstream that perhaps Democracy had gone too far. In 1935 and 1936 Huey Long, his Share Our Wealth program in hand began to unite these forces in the Union Party. Bonus Army Radicals, American admirers of Mussolini and Hitler, Social Crediters, Radical Veterans Organizations, Klan Holdouts, and others were quick to join the party as well, naturally drawn to the right-radical nature of its programs and the near-dictatorial centralized nature of the Unionites. In 1936 though its paramilitaries could be written off as modern Wide Awakes, and its program could still be seen as purely reformist, Progressive discontents provided a veneer that allowed it to win four states in the election, as well as numerous lower offices.
The Popular Front on the other hand had begun a decline, dropping down to 6% of the popular vote with the gains of Fair Deal taking many back to the political mainstream. The Popular Front nomination had been offered to the Governor of California but Upton Sinclair had refused and EPIC, the End Poverty In California/In the Country was ensured a permanent Social Democratic component of the Democratic Party (In California the Anti-Poverty Democratic Party is the official name of the state party to this day). That said numerous Mayoralities, Congressional seats and a pair of Senators would remain in Popular Front hands for years to follow, the fact that these offices were generally held by the least radical parties in the front having little impact on national paranoia, and the boosted IWW which was a component couldn't help itself but act as it had a generation ago.
[9]Al Smith heading towards the door, there was talk of Franklin Roosevelt or Herbert Lehman taking the job in 1940, in the end though Smith agreed to support the Border State moderate John Davis, who had served as his Attorney General, rather then seeing what appeared to be a wide open race with few strong options. President Davis, partnered with a Smithite Progressive Ally who had served as head of the National Valley Electrification Board and as the first Secretary of Social Security, won comfortably by generally pointing to the Coolidge legacy and taking advantage of the disarray of the Union Party as "The Kingfish" fled first to Havana and then Paris in 1939 just ahead of the FBI over serious questions of finance and taxes. War was already underway in Europe and the Davis/Wilkie administration took an active role in stepping up support for the Western Allies, pushing beyond Smith's Cash and Carry policies. Opposition for this was strong with the Union Party outright denouncing it and Broad-based Isolationists like the America First Committee and the Keep America Out Of War Committee showing a less reactionary opposition. This though came to an end, first slowly after several violent confrontations between the US Navy's neutrality patrol in the Atlantic and then Immediately with the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor bringing the US into the War in December of 1941. Leftist Opposition to the War would see dramatic political changes on the far left as the more Moscow Oriented factions followed the Moscow line and Zigged from August of 1939 to June of 1941 and Zagged on orders after.
The country nearly entirely closed ranks, except for the Union Party. Membership in a large part plummeted but the remainder was centrally focused on the Defense Committees, State and National Guards. Tapping into a (Actual IOTL) strong national sentiment that didn't conflict with their support for Berlin and Rome they would take the stance that the US War in Europe was unnecessary and that a ceasefire with the Reich and the rest of the European Axis must be secured to defeat the only true enemy: Japan. Paranoid ramblings about Jews and Bankers took away from this but the stream of thought would find a disturbingly secure line of support until Operation Torch just before the 1942 midterms. In February of 1942 the bombing of an Alcoa factory in Upstate New York would begin a year of ever more violent action by the Conestoga Guard: The fascist underground resistance spawned out and supported by much of the Union Party. After years of perpetual duty the National Guards of several Unionist Party stronghold states were considered some of the best in the country and few in the Army high command felt that breaking them up would see much benefit. The tragic result being the attempted Coup of June 1942 in Washington DC.
Doomed by an ideology that was convinced that they had mass US popular support and needed only to decapitate a Marxian-Jewish-Finance conspiracy a small band of National and Conestoga Guards attempted to seize key points in Washington, and to kill various national political figures. Governors Herbert Lehman and Upton Sinclair, Norman Thomas, Bernard Baruch, Supreme Court Justices Benjamin Cardozo and Felix Frankfurter, Ambassador at Large William C. Bullitt and Vice President Wilkie being the most prominent victims of the death squads. There was combat on the lawn of the White House and at the Pentagon. There were several small scale mutiny attempts in the fleet, and one squadron of Dive Bombers attacked random targets in New York City. The coup failed within hours and horrified the nation. The idea that President Davis would "see the light" if only the putsch could "show him the truth" was so far from reality as to have made the whole effort pure madness. For the remainder of the war, there would be a low-level insurgency of Conestoga remnants, mostly limited to terrorizing the Mountain West. The last substantial combat action on the American Front was completed in the Spring of 1945 when the 555th Airborne Regiment (Colored) did a combat drop on a compound in Sonora, Mexico where Conestoga Guard Commander-in-Chief Robert W. Welch was killed in action. Other leaders of the movement and the Union Party having either gone into exile, or been imprisoned or exiled for some time. With the death of Welch what remnants of the Conestoga Guards either disintegrated or went underground with rare attacks in their name occurring as late as 1966.
The American Front would be deemed to have had a negligible impact on the war effort.
[10] In the aftermath of the coup and the murder of Vice President Wilkie an effort was put underway rapidly, with bi-partisan support to establish a means of filling a vacancy in the office and protocol for the incapacitation of a sitting president. With its passage early in 1944 President Davis selected a Progressive, Former Republican who had once brushed up with the Union Party in 1936 before becoming one of its sharpest critics as Mayor of New York. Vice President La Guardia's time in office is seen as a prime example of that Unity Spirit that took over the United States after the coup and would carry on though to V-J Day in December of 1945 with a legacy long after the fact.
[11] There was considerable talk in the country in the lead up to the 1944 election to see a Non Partisan Unity Ticket. Wendell Wilkie would have been the obvious man to lead such a ticket according to Herbert Hoover who had after several years of wartime service as a Special Ambassador been ready and willing to bring the GOP into such a coalition on the bottom of the ticket. Instead the Democratic Party left pushed hard for one of its own young radicals to take the job. Wits noted that there would never be another man on an American ticket named Berle, but the GOP and the organized remnant of the Far Left that had survived Molotov-Ribbentrop and the changing winds of Moscow declined to run with the obvious gift. The 1944 elections would see a level of collusion as the Democrats and the Republicans quietly worked together to ensure that any Independents who were deemed too close to the Union Party were wiped out. No effort at Social Credit or any other such ideology deemed as code for Neo-Fascists would be permitted to make gains in the country for decades to come. A post-war spate of political violence against "Government by Sheriffs" in the former Insurgency heartlands and in some portions of the American South following the trend of the fabled "Battle of Athens" being a topic of concern for years to follow before the "threat" of Servicemen's Non-Partisan Organizations faded with the "reintroduction" of Democracy to the affected areas.
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aw man
I actually thought it was going to be set in the 50s and be about punching Nazis in Alberta or something, but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Now he's finished with the TL, I think I'm OK to post this.
Tippecanoe and Wallace Too by @Alex Richards, ATLF from 2000
2001-2003: John F. Kennedy Jr. (Democratic)
2000 (with Jerry Brown) def. Orrin Hatch / John McCain (Republican), Lyndon LaRouche / Albert Wynn (Progressive)
2003-2005: Jerry Brown / Mike Dukakis (Democratic)
2005-2005: George W. Bush (Republican)
2004 (with Dick Cheney) def. Tom Daschle / Carol Moseley Brown (Progressive), Daniel Inouye / Joe Lieberman (Democratic)
2005-2009: Dick Cheney / Mike Huckabee (Republican)
2009-2010: Chuck Baldwin (States Rights Republican)
2008 (with Sarah Palin) def. Joe Biden / Bill Richardson (Progressive), Gary Johnson / Jim Gray (Libertarian), Dan Quayle / Mitt Romney (Official Republican), Donald Trump / Alan Keyes (Democratic)
2010-2013: Sarah Palin / vacant (States Rights Republican)
2013-2015: Joe Biden (Progressive)
2012 (with Lincoln Chafee) def. Sarah Palin / Rick Santorum (States Rights Republican), Ron Paul / Gary Johnson (Official Republican-Libertarian), Shan Tsutsui / Martin Moulton (Democratic)
2015-2017: Lincoln Chafee / Kathleen Sebelius (Progressive)
2017-2023: Lyndon LaRouche (Progressive-Democratic)
2016 (with Tulsi Gabbard) def. Ted Cruz / Mike Huckabee (Republican), Kathleen Sebelius / Bernie Sanders (Independent Progressive), Rand Paul / Mike Gravel (Libertarian)
2020 (with Tulsi Gabbard) def. Al Gore / scattered (United Front --- Independent Progressives, Republicans, Libertarians), Michele Bachmann / Alex Jones (States Rights)
2023-2025: Tulsi Gabbard (Progressive)
2024 (with Kesha Rogers) def. Alex Jones / Richard Spencer (States Rights), Evan McMullin / Tim Kaine (Constitutional Union)
2025-2037: Kesha Rogers (Progressive)
2028 (with Bill Roberts) def. Richard Spencer / Brittany Pettibone (States Rights)
2032 (with Elon Musk) def. effectively unopposed
'We're heading for Mars, boys.'
Tippecanoe and Wallace Too by @Alex Richards, ATLF from 2000
2001-2003: John F. Kennedy Jr. (Democratic)
2000 (with Jerry Brown) def. Orrin Hatch / John McCain (Republican), Lyndon LaRouche / Albert Wynn (Progressive)
2003-2005: Jerry Brown / Mike Dukakis (Democratic)
2005-2005: George W. Bush (Republican)
2004 (with Dick Cheney) def. Tom Daschle / Carol Moseley Brown (Progressive), Daniel Inouye / Joe Lieberman (Democratic)
2005-2009: Dick Cheney / Mike Huckabee (Republican)
2009-2010: Chuck Baldwin (States Rights Republican)
2008 (with Sarah Palin) def. Joe Biden / Bill Richardson (Progressive), Gary Johnson / Jim Gray (Libertarian), Dan Quayle / Mitt Romney (Official Republican), Donald Trump / Alan Keyes (Democratic)
2010-2013: Sarah Palin / vacant (States Rights Republican)
2013-2015: Joe Biden (Progressive)
2012 (with Lincoln Chafee) def. Sarah Palin / Rick Santorum (States Rights Republican), Ron Paul / Gary Johnson (Official Republican-Libertarian), Shan Tsutsui / Martin Moulton (Democratic)
2015-2017: Lincoln Chafee / Kathleen Sebelius (Progressive)
2017-2023: Lyndon LaRouche (Progressive-Democratic)
2016 (with Tulsi Gabbard) def. Ted Cruz / Mike Huckabee (Republican), Kathleen Sebelius / Bernie Sanders (Independent Progressive), Rand Paul / Mike Gravel (Libertarian)
2020 (with Tulsi Gabbard) def. Al Gore / scattered (United Front --- Independent Progressives, Republicans, Libertarians), Michele Bachmann / Alex Jones (States Rights)
2023-2025: Tulsi Gabbard (Progressive)
2024 (with Kesha Rogers) def. Alex Jones / Richard Spencer (States Rights), Evan McMullin / Tim Kaine (Constitutional Union)
2025-2037: Kesha Rogers (Progressive)
2028 (with Bill Roberts) def. Richard Spencer / Brittany Pettibone (States Rights)
2032 (with Elon Musk) def. effectively unopposed
'We're heading for Mars, boys.'
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i just realised my last message made me sound like 'urgh boring idea japhy' when actually i meant to convey 'japhy i am stoked my skin is itching help me'
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