Why the Chinese play cricket (The Pax Imperialis)
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The IJN and USN spent four years fighting a war together and then 22 years of close cooperation, joint exercises and personnel exchanges . Both have heavily influenced each other. Yes Japanese damage control is more or less on a par with the US and the US night fighting is more or less on a par with the Japanese. Both the USN and IJN are very different. US cruisers have torpedo tubes, IJN submarines attack merchant vessels etc.
Carriers as at 1940
IJN
Hosho class, 7,500 tons, 25 knots, 26 ac
Akagi class, 27,000 tons, 30 knots, 90 ac
Ryujo class, 14,000 tons, 29 knots, 48 ac
Soryu class, 16,000 tons, 34 knots, 71 ac
Shokaku class, 21,000 tons, 34 knots, 84 ac
Taiho class, 29,000 tons, 32 knots, 84 ac
Amagi class, 17,000 tons, 32 knots, 65 ac
Unryu class, 12,500 tons, 32 knots, 32 ac
USN
Langley class, 14,000 tons, 16 knots, 30 ac
Constellation class, 8,000 tons, 21 knots, 20 ac
Abraham Lincoln class, 26,000 tons, 27 knots, 54 ac
Ranger class, 14,000 ton, 27 knots, 54 ac
Wasp class, 15,000 tons, 30 knots, 76 ac
Yorktown class, 20,000 tons, 32 knots, 90 ac
Independence class, 11,000 tons, 32 knots, 30 ac
Essex claas, 27,000 tons, 32 knots, 96 ac
RN
Argus class, 14,500 tons, 20 knots, 14 ac + 6 dp
Hermes class, 11,000 tons, 25 knots, 12 ac + 8 dp
Australia class, 17,000 tons, 25 knots, 18 ac + 6 dp
Merlin class, 24,000 tons, 30 knots, 54 ac + 18 dp
Saint class, 16,000 tons, 25 knots, 30 ac + 10 dp
Ark Royal class, 22,000 tons, 30 knots, 60 ac + 16 dp
Implacable class, 27,000 tons, 30 knots, 60 ac + 16 dp
Irresistible class, 37,000 tons, 30 knots, 80 ac + 20 dp
Colossus class, 13,000 tons, 25 knots, 36 ac + 12 dp
Centaur class, 18,500 tons, 30 knots, 42 ac + 12 dp
Furious class, 47,000 tons, 30 knots, 80 ac + 30 dp
Majestic class, 14,000 tons, 25 knots, 36 ac + 12 dp
IJN
Hosho class, 7,500 tons, 25 knots, 26 ac
Akagi class, 27,000 tons, 30 knots, 90 ac
Ryujo class, 14,000 tons, 29 knots, 48 ac
Soryu class, 16,000 tons, 34 knots, 71 ac
Shokaku class, 21,000 tons, 34 knots, 84 ac
Taiho class, 29,000 tons, 32 knots, 84 ac
Amagi class, 17,000 tons, 32 knots, 65 ac
Unryu class, 12,500 tons, 32 knots, 32 ac
USN
Langley class, 14,000 tons, 16 knots, 30 ac
Constellation class, 8,000 tons, 21 knots, 20 ac
Abraham Lincoln class, 26,000 tons, 27 knots, 54 ac
Ranger class, 14,000 ton, 27 knots, 54 ac
Wasp class, 15,000 tons, 30 knots, 76 ac
Yorktown class, 20,000 tons, 32 knots, 90 ac
Independence class, 11,000 tons, 32 knots, 30 ac
Essex claas, 27,000 tons, 32 knots, 96 ac
RN
Argus class, 14,500 tons, 20 knots, 14 ac + 6 dp
Hermes class, 11,000 tons, 25 knots, 12 ac + 8 dp
Australia class, 17,000 tons, 25 knots, 18 ac + 6 dp
Merlin class, 24,000 tons, 30 knots, 54 ac + 18 dp
Saint class, 16,000 tons, 25 knots, 30 ac + 10 dp
Ark Royal class, 22,000 tons, 30 knots, 60 ac + 16 dp
Implacable class, 27,000 tons, 30 knots, 60 ac + 16 dp
Irresistible class, 37,000 tons, 30 knots, 80 ac + 20 dp
Colossus class, 13,000 tons, 25 knots, 36 ac + 12 dp
Centaur class, 18,500 tons, 30 knots, 42 ac + 12 dp
Furious class, 47,000 tons, 30 knots, 80 ac + 30 dp
Majestic class, 14,000 tons, 25 knots, 36 ac + 12 dp
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1940c Transpacific
~July to September 1940 (Transpacific War): Two for one
July 1940: Colombia signs a Defence treaty with the CW and is included in the Military Assistance Act along with Nicaragua.
July 1940: The aging Cunard liners, Mauritania, Lusitania and Aquitania scheduled to be scrapped are purchased by the RN to further strengthen their sealift capacity.
July 1940: Diethercite enters production. Work continues both on improving production techniques and developing new agents. With it condidered extremely likely chemical weapons will feature prominently in any upcoming war and the likelihood of the Pacific Alliance developing their own nerve agents, work begins on counter measures. As it is known atropine is an effective treatment an auto injector is prepared with troops being given training in its use, though it is not yet issued to units in the field. The development of other treatments is also given a high priority as is an effective full chemical warfare suit replace the existing chemical warfare capes.
July 1940: The US begins supplying large quantities of surplus First Great War arms to their friendly regimes in Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay and Uruguay.
July 1940: The CW begin work on the Crusader tank to replace to the Conventeer. Armed with the a new 6pdr gun and powered by the same meteor engine, it incorporates significant improvements in mobility and protection.
July 1940: After a number of unsuccessful attempts to return the ACB to the traditional cricket fold, the ICC issues a ban on any player of American cricket from ever playing in an ICC sanctioned game.
July 1940: The Yao resume their offensive in Hubei province, aiming a drive toward Yeuyang. The drive meets immediate heavy resistance and AVG B-17 bombers, their strength now up to 300 aircraft, launch a series of raids aimed at disrupting Gaige communications. While the raids do disrupt communications, the inaccuracy of the bombers results in heavy civilian casualties.
July 1940: The replacement of the CW codes is completed. With the security of their communications restored, resistance in Hubei and Zhejiang provinces becomes far more effective.
July 1940: With international situation now in crisis with war with now considered inevitable after the failure of the Brussels peace talks and a general European war also inevitable, the London Commonwealth Conference focuses on the deepening crisis. There is fierce debate with the Dominions on one side and Home Nations on the other. The Dominions demand the fleet be concentrated on defending the Far East and Canada. The Home Nations on the other hand point to the Pretoria Doctrine to support their position that the defence of the Home Nations has equal precedence and a significant portion of the fleet needs to remain in European waters to defend the British Isles. Finally it is agreed two fleet and four light carriers, along with fourteen battleships will be retained in Europe, however these ships may be second line ships. However, there is unanimous agreement a naval mobilisation should be carried out now to bring the reserve fleet into service. It is also believed war will break out in Europe within the next month. Agreement is reached to support the Warsaw Treaty against the Entente and attempt to gradually subvert the French colonial Empire to independence. A security guarantee will also be issued for the Nordic and Low countries.
July 1940: In response to the increase in strength of the Peruvian navy, Chile obtains four C class destroyers from the CW.
August 1940: Six fleet carriers and 12 more light carriers are included in the RN estimates. The Furious class carriers are a radical departure from previous RN practice. In line with the Chatfield Doctrine, they are optimised for the rapid launch of aircraft. The armoured box and flight deck are abandoned in favour of an open hanger to allow aircraft to be warmed up below, minimising the time required to launch a strike. They displace 47,000 tons, are capable of 30 knots and carry 80 aircraft with another 34 available in deck parking. In response to the US Theodore Roosevelt class battlecruisers, twelve Queensland class heavy cruisers are ordered. Displacing 18,000 tons and armed with nine 9.2" guns, the class is capable of 32 knots. The concept is to work in concert with other cruisers to provide sufficient threat to force the battlecruiser to disengage. In order to reduce the load on the major yards, eight of the light carriers a modified version of the earlier Colossus class capable of operating heavier aircraft to be constructed in merchant yards. The remaining four are repeat Centaurs. There are as many also orders for another 24 escort carriers and 60 River class high speed frigates along with more T class patrol submarines and A class hunter killers. The twenty large Thames class submarines currently undergoing reconstruction for underwater speed are to be completed for special forces support. A further two RM divisions and two further airborne divisions are to be raised.
August 1940: To support their new doctrine of mobile warfare, the Japanese introduce a licenced version of the Finish Suomi KP/-31 SMG in 9mm Parabellum as the Type 100.
August 1940: The Yao offensive in Zhejiang province is finally brought to a halt. However the Gaige and CW have been forced back from Jinhua to Shangroa and their lines of communication are still under attack by Japanese bombers from Formosa.
August 1940: The Vought Comache and Cherokee along with the Fairey Barracuda are accepted as the new standard RN fighter, torpedo bomber and dive bomber. The Comache is gull winged fighter armed with four 23mm madsen canon and powered by a Pratt and Whitney PW-R2800 engine. The Comanche is a three seat torpedo bomber powered by the same engine while the Barracuda is a two seat dive bomber powered by a Bristol Centaurus. As Canada is no longer secure, production of the Comanche and Cherokee will be carried out in Australia, India and Africa.
August 1940: The 57mm Ordinance 6pdr is introduced to CW service to replace the 2pdr. The weapon has both a HE and AP round. Work is immediately begun on its replacement, the 76.2mm Ordinance 17pdr.
September 1940: With Gaige resistance having stiffened considerably and their own supply lines now under regular attack, the Yao drive in Hubei grinds to a halt at Puqi. Though the Yao and Japanese have inflicted heavy casualties on the Gaige, they have failed in their objective of taking Yueyang.
September 1940: Clearly being squeezed out of US government contracts, Consolidated Aircraft repurchased Conaus and sells its US assets to Vultee. Consolidated takes the plans for the XB-32 with them. The RAF immediately order ten prototypes as the Conaus Melbourne.
September 1940: In the scheduled CW elections, Savage's Liberal Socialists are narrowly defeated by Neville Chamberlain's Conservative Unionists on a platform calling for further peace talks and an attempt to negotiate a new naval arms limitation treaty in an attempt to reduce tensions.
September 1940: The Madras Mustang enters service with the RAF. With its long range it is able to escort the vulnerable CW and Gaige bombers in China, significantly reducing losses.
July 1940: Colombia signs a Defence treaty with the CW and is included in the Military Assistance Act along with Nicaragua.
July 1940: The aging Cunard liners, Mauritania, Lusitania and Aquitania scheduled to be scrapped are purchased by the RN to further strengthen their sealift capacity.
July 1940: Diethercite enters production. Work continues both on improving production techniques and developing new agents. With it condidered extremely likely chemical weapons will feature prominently in any upcoming war and the likelihood of the Pacific Alliance developing their own nerve agents, work begins on counter measures. As it is known atropine is an effective treatment an auto injector is prepared with troops being given training in its use, though it is not yet issued to units in the field. The development of other treatments is also given a high priority as is an effective full chemical warfare suit replace the existing chemical warfare capes.
July 1940: The US begins supplying large quantities of surplus First Great War arms to their friendly regimes in Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay and Uruguay.
July 1940: The CW begin work on the Crusader tank to replace to the Conventeer. Armed with the a new 6pdr gun and powered by the same meteor engine, it incorporates significant improvements in mobility and protection.
July 1940: After a number of unsuccessful attempts to return the ACB to the traditional cricket fold, the ICC issues a ban on any player of American cricket from ever playing in an ICC sanctioned game.
July 1940: The Yao resume their offensive in Hubei province, aiming a drive toward Yeuyang. The drive meets immediate heavy resistance and AVG B-17 bombers, their strength now up to 300 aircraft, launch a series of raids aimed at disrupting Gaige communications. While the raids do disrupt communications, the inaccuracy of the bombers results in heavy civilian casualties.
July 1940: The replacement of the CW codes is completed. With the security of their communications restored, resistance in Hubei and Zhejiang provinces becomes far more effective.
July 1940: With international situation now in crisis with war with now considered inevitable after the failure of the Brussels peace talks and a general European war also inevitable, the London Commonwealth Conference focuses on the deepening crisis. There is fierce debate with the Dominions on one side and Home Nations on the other. The Dominions demand the fleet be concentrated on defending the Far East and Canada. The Home Nations on the other hand point to the Pretoria Doctrine to support their position that the defence of the Home Nations has equal precedence and a significant portion of the fleet needs to remain in European waters to defend the British Isles. Finally it is agreed two fleet and four light carriers, along with fourteen battleships will be retained in Europe, however these ships may be second line ships. However, there is unanimous agreement a naval mobilisation should be carried out now to bring the reserve fleet into service. It is also believed war will break out in Europe within the next month. Agreement is reached to support the Warsaw Treaty against the Entente and attempt to gradually subvert the French colonial Empire to independence. A security guarantee will also be issued for the Nordic and Low countries.
July 1940: In response to the increase in strength of the Peruvian navy, Chile obtains four C class destroyers from the CW.
August 1940: Six fleet carriers and 12 more light carriers are included in the RN estimates. The Furious class carriers are a radical departure from previous RN practice. In line with the Chatfield Doctrine, they are optimised for the rapid launch of aircraft. The armoured box and flight deck are abandoned in favour of an open hanger to allow aircraft to be warmed up below, minimising the time required to launch a strike. They displace 47,000 tons, are capable of 30 knots and carry 80 aircraft with another 34 available in deck parking. In response to the US Theodore Roosevelt class battlecruisers, twelve Queensland class heavy cruisers are ordered. Displacing 18,000 tons and armed with nine 9.2" guns, the class is capable of 32 knots. The concept is to work in concert with other cruisers to provide sufficient threat to force the battlecruiser to disengage. In order to reduce the load on the major yards, eight of the light carriers a modified version of the earlier Colossus class capable of operating heavier aircraft to be constructed in merchant yards. The remaining four are repeat Centaurs. There are as many also orders for another 24 escort carriers and 60 River class high speed frigates along with more T class patrol submarines and A class hunter killers. The twenty large Thames class submarines currently undergoing reconstruction for underwater speed are to be completed for special forces support. A further two RM divisions and two further airborne divisions are to be raised.
August 1940: To support their new doctrine of mobile warfare, the Japanese introduce a licenced version of the Finish Suomi KP/-31 SMG in 9mm Parabellum as the Type 100.
August 1940: The Yao offensive in Zhejiang province is finally brought to a halt. However the Gaige and CW have been forced back from Jinhua to Shangroa and their lines of communication are still under attack by Japanese bombers from Formosa.
August 1940: The Vought Comache and Cherokee along with the Fairey Barracuda are accepted as the new standard RN fighter, torpedo bomber and dive bomber. The Comache is gull winged fighter armed with four 23mm madsen canon and powered by a Pratt and Whitney PW-R2800 engine. The Comanche is a three seat torpedo bomber powered by the same engine while the Barracuda is a two seat dive bomber powered by a Bristol Centaurus. As Canada is no longer secure, production of the Comanche and Cherokee will be carried out in Australia, India and Africa.
August 1940: The 57mm Ordinance 6pdr is introduced to CW service to replace the 2pdr. The weapon has both a HE and AP round. Work is immediately begun on its replacement, the 76.2mm Ordinance 17pdr.
September 1940: With Gaige resistance having stiffened considerably and their own supply lines now under regular attack, the Yao drive in Hubei grinds to a halt at Puqi. Though the Yao and Japanese have inflicted heavy casualties on the Gaige, they have failed in their objective of taking Yueyang.
September 1940: Clearly being squeezed out of US government contracts, Consolidated Aircraft repurchased Conaus and sells its US assets to Vultee. Consolidated takes the plans for the XB-32 with them. The RAF immediately order ten prototypes as the Conaus Melbourne.
September 1940: In the scheduled CW elections, Savage's Liberal Socialists are narrowly defeated by Neville Chamberlain's Conservative Unionists on a platform calling for further peace talks and an attempt to negotiate a new naval arms limitation treaty in an attempt to reduce tensions.
September 1940: The Madras Mustang enters service with the RAF. With its long range it is able to escort the vulnerable CW and Gaige bombers in China, significantly reducing losses.
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Derek Pullem
Donor
Cool name but what is it's origin?
Is it / was it an Indian subsidiary of North American?
I should have made it clear. Yes it's the P-51
May 1940: In an astonishing timeframe, the first prototype of the Madras Aircaft Company Mustang flies. The product a company once owned by the US company North American. Developed for the RAF long range escort figher specification, the design shows remarkable promise and 400 are ordered.
Pangur
Donor
Did this Mustang have the same initial engine issues as the ITL Mustang?
Shame it wasn't the Madras VindalooBut Mustang is such a cool name.
There sure is room for a lot of jokes with Madras aircraft
Derek Pullem
Donor
Not as bad I would have guessed - although it will probably be using a Merlin III or possibly a Merlin XX (much better). It won't get the Merlin 61 until high level bombers are encountered (maybe already recognised as an issue in China?)
Shame it wasn't the Madras Vindaloo
I'm sorry, cool as it is, the RAF would not name an aircraft vindaloo lol. I'm afraid it goes with the Liberal Sociopaths
It has a Merlin from the very start, so it's better, roughly equivalent to the early model Spitfires, just with longer range
Merlin XX and yes the bomber issue has been recognised, the US is throwing around high altitude B17s in China, but no way has their been time to develop it.
Wolf of Badenoch
Donor
[QUOTE="Pangur, post: 16628627, member: 24008"There sure is room for a lot of jokes with Madras aircraft [/QUOTE]
Not to mention Bombay Ducks! There was of course, a real RAF heavy, the Bristol Bombay.
[/QUOTE]Not to mention Bombay Ducks! There was of course, a real RAF heavy, the Bristol Bombay.
Bangalore torpedo (bomber in this TL?)
I had been thinking of that one
A couple of minor German points.
December 1938: Germany begins standardising its military equipment with the Warsaw Pact.
March 1940: With the situation in Europe growing worse, the Polish government authorises an increase in the KC by another 200,000. Ostensibly to strengthen Polish defences, its true purpose is to train an army for the defence of Germany. Funding is covertly provided by Germany.
December 1938: Germany begins standardising its military equipment with the Warsaw Pact.
March 1940: With the situation in Europe growing worse, the Polish government authorises an increase in the KC by another 200,000. Ostensibly to strengthen Polish defences, its true purpose is to train an army for the defence of Germany. Funding is covertly provided by Germany.
Redone the development of the helicopter. If you have gyrodynes, helicopters should not follow the historical development path nor should the CW be the only ones to have them. You can assume by 1940, everyone has light helicopters.
September 1937: Igor Sikorsky's V300 becomes the first practical helicopter, making its first flight in Montreal. The CW government contracts the development of a military version, hoping to replace their existing gyrodynes.
July 1938: The Sikorsky Dragonfly enters RFC service as a casualty evacuation and observation helicopter.
November 1939: The Bell R-1 Scout light helicopter enters Pacific Alliance service.
September 1937: Igor Sikorsky's V300 becomes the first practical helicopter, making its first flight in Montreal. The CW government contracts the development of a military version, hoping to replace their existing gyrodynes.
July 1938: The Sikorsky Dragonfly enters RFC service as a casualty evacuation and observation helicopter.
November 1939: The Bell R-1 Scout light helicopter enters Pacific Alliance service.