Weekly Flag Challenge: Discussion & Entries
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i think its cos its hard to think of something original, as most people you could use for a cult of personality already have a symbol
The Mama Grizzly flag of the U.S. Liberty Party
During the second Obama administration, Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican Vice Presidential came to be the primary face and voice of the Tea Party Movement in the United States. By the 2016 election cycle rolled around, the movement had transformed itself into an organized political party, the Liberty Party, with Palin as its chairwoman. The Liberty Party is informally known as the "Grizzly Bear Party" (much as the Republican Party is known as the "Grand Old Party"), a moniker that reflects the key role played by Palin in the party's evolution. Mama grizzly is the term that Palin coined to refer to herself following the 2008 Presidential campaign. The party's "mama grizzly flag" was first flown by her supporters during the latter days of the Tea Party Movement's existance.
During the second Obama administration, Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican Vice Presidential came to be the primary face and voice of the Tea Party Movement in the United States. By the 2016 election cycle rolled around, the movement had transformed itself into an organized political party, the Liberty Party, with Palin as its chairwoman. The Liberty Party is informally known as the "Grizzly Bear Party" (much as the Republican Party is known as the "Grand Old Party"), a moniker that reflects the key role played by Palin in the party's evolution. Mama grizzly is the term that Palin coined to refer to herself following the 2008 Presidential campaign. The party's "mama grizzly flag" was first flown by her supporters during the latter days of the Tea Party Movement's existance.
La Pabellón Napoleónito
POD: Joseph Bonaparte is offered, and accepts, the crown of Mexico in 1820. (As was rumored to be offered in OTL) When he dies with no legitimate heir, the crown passes to another noble family. He does however have an unacknowledged but widely known illegitimate son, Alberto, who is ostracized and shunned by the Mexican aristocracy, eventually taking a woman of Nahua ancestry as his wife. Alberto's son, Alardo Tezcacoatl Napoleon, grows to manhood infused with his father's hatred for the imperial throne of Mexico and his mother's love for the indigenous peoples and their ways. A tall man at 6'2", he is both physically imposing and possessing of the personality of his ancestors. He is a natural leader, a trait he uses to great effect in the Peasants' Rebellion of 1876. Martyred in battle 12 years later, the great Tezcacoatl died just months shy of seeing his dream fulfilled with the declaration of surrender by the Emperor and the birth of the Mexiçotl Republic.
In a great irony, the man who led a rebellion against the empire of his grandfather became the founding father of a republic who idolized him to the point of adopting his personal banner as its flag.
Officially it is called The Flag of the Mexiçotl Republic, but it is known the world over as La Pabellón Napoleónito, Little Napoleon's Banner.
(More views of this flag, as well as a photo of Alardo Tezcacoatl Napoleon, can be seen HERE )
POD: Joseph Bonaparte is offered, and accepts, the crown of Mexico in 1820. (As was rumored to be offered in OTL) When he dies with no legitimate heir, the crown passes to another noble family. He does however have an unacknowledged but widely known illegitimate son, Alberto, who is ostracized and shunned by the Mexican aristocracy, eventually taking a woman of Nahua ancestry as his wife. Alberto's son, Alardo Tezcacoatl Napoleon, grows to manhood infused with his father's hatred for the imperial throne of Mexico and his mother's love for the indigenous peoples and their ways. A tall man at 6'2", he is both physically imposing and possessing of the personality of his ancestors. He is a natural leader, a trait he uses to great effect in the Peasants' Rebellion of 1876. Martyred in battle 12 years later, the great Tezcacoatl died just months shy of seeing his dream fulfilled with the declaration of surrender by the Emperor and the birth of the Mexiçotl Republic.
In a great irony, the man who led a rebellion against the empire of his grandfather became the founding father of a republic who idolized him to the point of adopting his personal banner as its flag.
Officially it is called The Flag of the Mexiçotl Republic, but it is known the world over as La Pabellón Napoleónito, Little Napoleon's Banner.
(More views of this flag, as well as a photo of Alardo Tezcacoatl Napoleon, can be seen HERE )
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An interesting flag Eigenwelt!
BTW is the country pronounced "meshitsotul" or "meksisotul"?
BTW is the country pronounced "meshitsotul" or "meksisotul"?
From the Nahautl sites I used for research, I believe the former would be correct. But I wouldn't be surprised if the latter, or other corruptions/variations were common in this ATL.
Tezcacoatl wasn't anti-european, he was anti-imperial and anti-aristocracy. He viewed the European ancestry of himself and of the the people as equally important as their native ancestry. His own heritage as the son of an illegitimate union made him very much a champion of bastardized culture. He was distinctly opposed to the European elite who viewed the native culture as undesirable as well as the those of native birth who viewed the Europeans as interlopers. His vision, and his Mexicotl, was very much a syncretic place originating from, but different, than its component parts.
As such I see the linguistic purity of the (mexican) Spanish and Nahautl spoken in this timeline as being even more compromised then in OTL.
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I think so.
I believe Ben extended the entries until ...well... today to get more entries but can't find where he said this
(it might just be one of my realistic dreams again)
Anyways, I suggest we leave it until ~6pm tonight (in 3 hrs) before PMing him.
I believe Ben extended the entries until ...well... today to get more entries but can't find where he said this
(it might just be one of my realistic dreams again
)Anyways, I suggest we leave it until ~6pm tonight (in 3 hrs) before PMing him.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. Busy (new job) etc, other excuses. I'm thrilled that other flags were made. I'll put a poll up.
I'll put a poll up.Weekly Flag Challenge 53: So you say you want an evolution...
Your challenge, should you accept and submit, is to show the evolution of a current national flag from its present version to a new version after a change in government. This could be a regime change, revolution, election, abolishment/institution of a monarchy, etc.
Submissions should include a minimum (and recommended) two flags. Before and after. Please submit your flag(s) as one image. This can be a diagram showing the evolution, or simply two flags stacked horizontally or vertically with a small separation.
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The submission deadline is midnight (GMT) Wednesday, September 7th. (9/7/11)
Your challenge, should you accept and submit, is to show the evolution of a current national flag from its present version to a new version after a change in government. This could be a regime change, revolution, election, abolishment/institution of a monarchy, etc.
Submissions should include a minimum (and recommended) two flags. Before and after. Please submit your flag(s) as one image. This can be a diagram showing the evolution, or simply two flags stacked horizontally or vertically with a small separation.
*edit*
The submission deadline is midnight (GMT) Wednesday, September 7th. (9/7/11)
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Oh how I love thee Eigenwelt
Would more than one change be acceptable?
If you mean can there be multiple steps in the transformation? Yes. For example, old Libyan flag -> flag of the revolutionaries -> new Libyian flag.
If you mean multiple entries in the challenge, I don't think so. Has this ever been settled previously? I don't have time right now to parse the entire thread.
Yes, it's been stated before that a person may submit one entry and only one entry per challenge. It's up to you Eigenwelt, but my suggestion would be that the multiple flags be combined into one post, as in this recent flag thread post: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=4955058&postcount=10062 Perhaps someone would be willing to create a composite post of the flags for those unable to do so themselves.
That's what I was trying to imply, either a diagram like that, or the multiple flags as part of one larger image.
I was agreeing w/you and probably should have simply said "I concur." I was focusing more on your broader question regarding multiple entries in a challenge (trying to be helpful with "institutional memory").
Glad we are all agreed .
I tend to do evolution diagrams anyway as it helps me develop the flags.
.I tend to do evolution diagrams anyway as it helps me develop the flags.
I have absolutely no ideas for this, but if someone wants me to put their flags in a diagram thingy for them, I'd be happy to do so. Not like it's all that difficult though.
Hopefully this isn't too large!
The Celesteville Revolution
The People have arisen! The King is overthrown and his sons fled! The King is dead, long live the Revolution!
A Brief History of the Celesteville Flags
Under King Babar the Founder the flag of the Kingdom of Celesteville was a yellow sun & corona (or a cottised sun) on a sky blue field reflecting the country’s name and aspirations.
The Flag remained the same under the next King, Badou, until the death of Prime Minister Cornelius led to King Badou taking up autocratic rule. As the rise of civil disobedience produced an increasing repressive reaction, Badou promoted a cult of personality, eventually replacing the national flag with his own personal standard – a black crowned ‘B’ on a white circle fimbriated in black, all over a yellow cottised fess on a sky blue field.
Badou’s repression provoked the formation of the Mouvement Populist des Mumeaux Jumeaux [1, 2] (the Populist Movement of Twin Grievances) that led to a communist revolution under their slogan of “Liberté et Egalité” The MPMJ banner was the Royal Standard defaced by a red pale with the stylised elephantine movement/party logo.
With the execution of King Badou and the flight of his sons, Chairman Mesanne took control and established a Single Party Presidential Republic under himself as President – the Democratic Republic of Celesteville. The National Flag then became a red band with the movement logo in the hoist over the yellow cottised fess on sky blue. The Presidential Standard was similar to the Movement’s banner but with central pale white bearing the new socialist National Emblem: a yellow star on sky blue within a yellow cogwheel interleaved in the bottom half by a red drape bearing the words Liberté and Egalité in yellow (all symbols outlined in red).
Membership in the Non-Aligned Movement weaned the Republic away from Communism and a coup by General Gibaforre produced a near unique transition [3] to a (Multiparty) Parliamentary Republic. The National Flag was changed to the yellow cottised fess on sky blue; the Presidential Standard was altered with a revised National Emblem: a yellow 8pointed star on sky blue within a yellow cogwheel interleaved in the bottom half by a white drape bearing the words Liberté and Egalité in blue (all symbols outlined in blue).
[1] Mumeau being a colloquialism roughly meaning grievance or grumble and considered to be a portmanteau of museau (face) and murmure (protested mutter)
[2] and yes that phrase is satirical
[3] In Africa, only Ethiopia has also done this
The Celesteville Revolution
The People have arisen! The King is overthrown and his sons fled! The King is dead, long live the Revolution!
A Brief History of the Celesteville Flags
Under King Babar the Founder the flag of the Kingdom of Celesteville was a yellow sun & corona (or a cottised sun) on a sky blue field reflecting the country’s name and aspirations.
The Flag remained the same under the next King, Badou, until the death of Prime Minister Cornelius led to King Badou taking up autocratic rule. As the rise of civil disobedience produced an increasing repressive reaction, Badou promoted a cult of personality, eventually replacing the national flag with his own personal standard – a black crowned ‘B’ on a white circle fimbriated in black, all over a yellow cottised fess on a sky blue field.
Badou’s repression provoked the formation of the Mouvement Populist des Mumeaux Jumeaux [1, 2] (the Populist Movement of Twin Grievances) that led to a communist revolution under their slogan of “Liberté et Egalité” The MPMJ banner was the Royal Standard defaced by a red pale with the stylised elephantine movement/party logo.
With the execution of King Badou and the flight of his sons, Chairman Mesanne took control and established a Single Party Presidential Republic under himself as President – the Democratic Republic of Celesteville. The National Flag then became a red band with the movement logo in the hoist over the yellow cottised fess on sky blue. The Presidential Standard was similar to the Movement’s banner but with central pale white bearing the new socialist National Emblem: a yellow star on sky blue within a yellow cogwheel interleaved in the bottom half by a red drape bearing the words Liberté and Egalité in yellow (all symbols outlined in red).
Membership in the Non-Aligned Movement weaned the Republic away from Communism and a coup by General Gibaforre produced a near unique transition [3] to a (Multiparty) Parliamentary Republic. The National Flag was changed to the yellow cottised fess on sky blue; the Presidential Standard was altered with a revised National Emblem: a yellow 8pointed star on sky blue within a yellow cogwheel interleaved in the bottom half by a white drape bearing the words Liberté and Egalité in blue (all symbols outlined in blue).
[1] Mumeau being a colloquialism roughly meaning grievance or grumble and considered to be a portmanteau of museau (face) and murmure (protested mutter)
[2] and yes that phrase is satirical
[3] In Africa, only Ethiopia has also done this