TL-191 Uniform, weapons and equipment of the Secondary Combatants.
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Ark Royal class Fleet Aircraft Carrier (1938-1939)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 27,720 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Parsons geared steam turbines, 6x Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Range: 10,300 nautical miles
Speed: 31 knots
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Lower Hanger Deck: 89mm
- Bulkhead: 76mm
- 16 x 114mm/45-caliber QF Mk. I DP guns (8x2)
- 32 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (4x8)
- 32 x 12.7mm Vickers AA machine-guns (8x4)
- 15 Fairey Fulmar Reconnaissance Fighters
- 15 Blackburn Skua Dive Bombers
- 24 Fairey Swordfish Torpedo Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Ark Royal (91) | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead | September 16, 1935 | April 13, 1937 | November 16, 1938 | Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 6th, 1943. |
| HMS Glorious (03) | Vickers-Armstrong, Tyne | October 4, 1935 | April 30, 1937 | December 2, 1938 | Sunk during the Battle of the Falklands, August 7, 1943. |
| HMS Furious (108) | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead | April 2, 1936 | September 24, 1938 | November 28, 1939 | Sunk during the Battle of the Norwegian Sea, December 7, 1942. |
Illustrious class Armored Aircraft Carrier (1940-1941)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 28,620 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Parsons geared steam turbines, 6x Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Range: 9,250 nautical miles
Speed: 30.5 knots
Sensors: Type 79 air search radar
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Hanger Sides: 114mm
- Bulkheads: 114mm
- Flight Deck: 76mm
- 16 x 114mm/45-caliber QF Mk. III DP guns (8x2)
- 48 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (6x8)
- 8 Fairey Fulmar Reconnaissance Fighters
- 7 Blackburn Skua Dive Bombers
- 20 Fairey Swordfish Torpedo Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Illustrious (87) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow | April 27, 1937 | April 5, 1939 | May 25, 1940 | September 1, 1947 | Reparation transport, 1944-1947. Broken up in Blyth, 1948. |
| HMS Courageous (67) | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead | June 17, 1937 | August 17, 1939 | November 24, 1940 | Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 13th, 1943. | |
| HMS Formidable (38) | Vickers-Armstrong, Tyne | May 4, 1937 | September 14, 1939 | May 15, 1941 | Sunk during the Battle of Rockall Bank, October 6, 1943. |
HMS Victorious Armored Aircraft Carrier (1941)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 29,730 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Parsons geared steam turbines, 6x Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Range: 9,250 nautical miles
Speed: 30.5 knots
Sensors: Type 79 air search radar
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Hanger Sides: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 76mm
- Flight Deck: 76mm
- 16 x 114mm/45-caliber QF Mk. III DP guns (8x2)
- 48 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (6x8)
- 4 Fairey Fulmar Reconnaissance Fighters
- 9 Sea Hurricane Fighters
- 8 Blackburn Skua Dive Bombers
- 24 Fairey Swordfish Torpedo Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Victorious (92) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow | November 10, 1937 | March 26, 1940 | October 10, 1941 | September 1, 1947 | Reparation transport, 1944-1947. To Germany (SMS Weser) was reparations, 1948. |
Implacable class Armored Aircraft Carrier (1943)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 32,110 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Range: 9,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Sensors: Type 279 air search radar, Type 271 and 277 surface search radar, and Type 282 Fire Control Radar.
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Hanger Sides: 51mm
- Bulkheads: 76mm
- Flight Deck: 76mm
- 16 x 114mm/45-caliber QF Mk. III DP guns (8x2)
- 48 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (6x8)
- 47 x 20mm Oerlikon AA guns (14x2) and (19x1)
- 12 Fairey Firefly Reconnaissance Fighters
- 12 Supermarine Seafire Fighters
- 24 Fairey Barracuda Torpedo/Dive Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Indefatigable (10) | John Brown, Clydebank | November 3, 1939 | December 8, 1942 | May 9, 1943 | Sunk during the Battle of Rockall Bank, October 7, 1943. |
| HMS Implacable (86) | Fairfield, Govan | February 21, 1939 | December 10, 1942 | August 28, 1943 | Sunk by Luftwaffe Aircraft in Portsmouth, June 2, 1944. BU 1947-1949. |
Eagle class Fleet Aircraft Carrier (NC)
Specifications (As planned)
Weight: 46,000 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Range: 5,000 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Sensors: Various Radars
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Hanger Sides: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 114mm
- Flight Deck: 102mm
- 16 x 114mm/45-caliber QF Mk. III DP guns (8x2)
- 48 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (6x8)
- 60 x 20mm Oerlikon AA guns
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Projected Commissioning | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Eagle | Fairfield, Govan | November 24, 1942 | Late 1947 | Construction suspended, July 1943. Broken up on the slipway, 1946. |
| HMS Audacious | Vickers-Armstrong, Tyne | February 19, 1943 | Late 1947-Early 1948 | Construction suspended, July 1943. Broken up on the slipway, 1946. |
| HMS Africa | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead | March 2, 1943 | 1948 | Construction suspended, July 1943. Broken up on the slipway, 1946. |
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Now that I have resin 3d printing down, I am open to suggestions on 3D printing more TL-191 barrels. I prefer designs which can be "kitbashed" easily by using existing designs, as I can acquire those 3D models online and modify them myself. I'm also posting this here because I think I have American and Confederate barrels, and would like to flesh out my non-American arsenal.
I admit, not the best in Ottoman Turkish (I do speak contemporary Turkish as a Turk but still).
Hmm, I mean I would need an existing naming scheme to work from. I mean, I can randomly give it an animal name or something.
Not sure what the best ideas for Ottoman AFV naming convention would be.
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The Turkish name for a Barrel, ore a Sultan who did something in a battle with a good name ore a animal with a good name.
I tried to think of something in Turkish for the Neubaufahrzeug but couldn't think of anything. I thought of using an English/Turkish translator site but I've done that in the past but have gotten mixed results because sometimes certain words or phases don't really translate correctly.
I've often used animal names for tanks, cats in particular for German AFV's.
The name of a Sultan sounds good and I'm open to suggestions.
No, not gonna work. Most importantly because the German term used is still Panzer (as indicated by the Pz notation). In modern Turkish the term is tank (and armoured units are "zırhlı" literally armoured) but I think that is less of a connection to the original name and more just the name being kept across languages as it happens. I get that Barrel is the alternative term for Tank in TL-191 but you aren't gonna name a Tank after a type of tank/water carrier. Also the term Panzer still gets decent use in Turkish (mostly for Police, rather than military armoured vehicles). Especially a Turkey that still stay close to its German speaking allies who are capable and willing to keep supplying it with equipment the term Panzer will likely win over Barrel.
Hmm, possible but I find a Sultan or even general name to be unlikely for an Ottoman tank. Then again, a bunch of Ottoman warships were named after naval leaders so naming after ground forces leaders is workable (it also fits with the current only domestic Turkish tank, the Altay). Also, while I find direct Sultan names less likely, I can see modified version much easily (say, Hamidiye Instead of Abdulhamid).
Sound good.
Hmm, in either case with general and animal names some would likely be used beforehand. And also a question of whether to choose a recent general or not.
Looking into mostly recent generals, iirc there is not much change outside North America in TL-191 until WW1, so Enver Pasha would probably get something named after him. Gazi Osman Pasha/Osman Nuri Pasha (Battle of Pleavna) may get something. Mustafa Kemal (Atatürk), Fevzi (Çakmak), Farhettin (Altay), Ömer Farheddin (Türkkan), Nureddin Ibrahim (Konyar), Halil (Kut) Mehmet Vehib (Kaçı), İsmet (İnönü) and Kazım (Karabekir) are mostly successful/competent officers from WW1 (and Turkish War of Indepence). Mahmud Shevket Pasha and Niyazi Bey are also decently impactful from 31 March and Action Army.
(Ottoman Turkish not having surnamed kinda makes naming things after people not very easy)
Regarding Sultan names, Mecidiye after Abdülmecid II, who would have been the Sultan during the 30s if the monarchy had continued.
Looking at animals Arslan (Lion), Kurt (Wolf), Pars (Leopard, thought in current they Leopar is used as often if not more so).
Neubaufahrzeug iOTL was a codename that would not be needed, what with the Central Powers winning the war.
British Light Aircraft Carriers
HMS Hermes Light Aircraft Carrier (1927)
Specifications (Following 1935 refit)
Weight: 13,700 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Parsons geared steam turbines, 6x Parsons boilers
Range: 5,600 nautical miles
Speed: 25 knots
Armor:
* = this designation was originally to circumvent the naval treaty restrictions imposed on the Royal Navy, and the ship was officially reclassified as a Light Carrier in 1935.
HMS Unicorn Maintenance Aircraft Carrier (1943)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 20,300 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Parsons geared steam turbines, 4x Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Range: 11,000 nautical miles
Speed: 24 knots
Sensors: Type 281B Early Warning Radar, 2x Type 285 Fire Control Radars
Armor:
Antrim class Light Fleet Aircraft Carrier (1943)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 16,870 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Sensors: Type 281B Early Warning Radar, 2x Type 285 Fire Control Radars
Armor:
Colossus class Light Fleet Aircraft Carrier (1944)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 18,040 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Parsons geared steam turbines, 4x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,000 nautical miles
Speed: 25 knots
Sensors: Type 281B Early Warning Radar, 2x Type 285 Fire Control Radars
Armament:
A further 8 ships of the Majestic subclass were ordered in late 1942, but all were cancelled by the Summer of 1943.
* = Though both Colossus and Glory were commissioned, neither had their air groups embarked and spent almost all of the RN service as floating AA batteries.
** = The date of commissioning for it's German service
HMS Hermes Light Aircraft Carrier (1927)
Specifications (Following 1935 refit)
Weight: 13,700 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Parsons geared steam turbines, 6x Parsons boilers
Range: 5,600 nautical miles
Speed: 25 knots
Armor:
- Belt: 76mm
- Deck: 25mm with 25mm slopes
- Gunshields: 76mm
- 6 x 140mm/50-caliber BL Mk I deck guns
- 3 x QF 102mm/45-caliber Mk V DP-guns
- 12 Fairey Swordfish Torpedo Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Hermes (I95) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow | January 15, 1924 | September 11, 1925 | February 19, 1927 (as a seaplane tender)* | Sunk by Japanese aircraft in the Indian Ocean, April 21, 1944. |
HMS Unicorn Maintenance Aircraft Carrier (1943)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 20,300 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Parsons geared steam turbines, 4x Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Range: 11,000 nautical miles
Speed: 24 knots
Sensors: Type 281B Early Warning Radar, 2x Type 285 Fire Control Radars
Armor:
- Belt: 51mm
- Box protection: 76mm
- Anti-Torpedo Bulkhead: 36mm
- 8 x 102mm/45-caliber QF Mk. XVI DP guns (4x2)
- 16 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (4x4)
- 13 x 20mm Oerlikon AA guns (5x1) and (4x2)
- 10 Supermarine Seafire Fighters
- 13 Fairey Swordfish Torpedo Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Unicorn (I72) | Scotts, Greenock | June 29, 1939 | November 20, 1941 | March 12, 1943 | September 1, 1947 | Reparations transport, 1944-1947. Scrapped in Bo-Ness, 1947. |
Antrim class Light Fleet Aircraft Carrier (1943)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 16,870 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Sensors: Type 281B Early Warning Radar, 2x Type 285 Fire Control Radars
Armor:
- Belt: 54mm
- Flight Deck: 45mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 25mm
- 2 x 102mm/45-caliber QF Mk. XVI DP guns (2x1)
- 32 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (4x8)
- 13 x 20mm Oerlikon AA guns (5x1) and (4x2)
- 16 Supermarine Seafire Fighters
- 12 Fairey Barracuda Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Antrim (I93) | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead | August 2, 1939 | December 1, 1941 | April 9, 1943 | Sunk by Luftwaffe Bombers off Kalvoya Island, October 1, 1943. |
| HMS Sutherland (I74) | Swan Hunter, Wallsend | September 21, 1939 | March 14, 1942 | July 23, 1943 | Sunk by Japanese aircraft in the Indian Ocean, April 21, 1944. |
| HMS Shetland (I100) | Scotts, Greenock | October 2, 1939 | April 2, 1942 | September 2, 1943 | Sunk by SMS U-1092 off Gibraltar, March 26, 1944. |
| HMS Rutland (I112) | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead | August 9, 1939 | January 2, 1942 | April 25, 1943 | Sunk by I-26 in the Indian Ocean, April 23, 1944. |
Colossus class Light Fleet Aircraft Carrier (1944)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 18,040 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Parsons geared steam turbines, 4x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,000 nautical miles
Speed: 25 knots
Sensors: Type 281B Early Warning Radar, 2x Type 285 Fire Control Radars
Armament:
- 24 x 40mm QF Mk. VIII "Pom-pom" AA guns (4x6)
- 32 x 20mm Oerlikon AA guns (10x1) and (11x2)
- 12 Supermarine Seafire Fighters
- 8 Fairey Firefly Reconnaissance Fighters
- 18 Fairey Barracuda Bombers
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Colossus (15) | Vickers-Armstrong, Tyne | June 1, 1942 | July 30, 1943 | February 2, 1944 | September 6, 1944 | To Germany (SMS Weicshel) as reparations, September 1944. |
| HMS Glory (62) | Harland and Wolff, Belfast, Occupied N. Ireland. | August 27, 1942 | August 22, 1943 | March 7, 1944 | August 29, 1944 | To Germany (SMS Jade) as reparations, September 1944. |
| HMS Venerable | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead | December 3, 1942 | September 4, 1943 | Constructed halted, December 1, 1943. Sunk by air attack, April 3, 1944. BU 1945-1947. | ||
| HMS Vengeance | Swan Hunter, Wallsend | November 16, 1942 | November 12, 1943 | October 4, 1946** | Constructed halted, December 1, 1943. To Germany (SMS Saar) as reparations, September 1944. | |
| HMS Warrior | Harland and Wolff, Belfast, Occupied N. Ireland. | December 12, 1942 | Sabotaged by the IRA, July 6, 1943. Broken up on the slipway, late 1943. | |||
| HMS Theseus | Fairfield, Govan | January 6, 1943 | Cancelled September 1943, materials used for other ships. |
* = Though both Colossus and Glory were commissioned, neither had their air groups embarked and spent almost all of the RN service as floating AA batteries.
** = The date of commissioning for it's German service
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So the British equivelent to the Independence/Saipan-class?They're more or less a conversion of a heavy cruiser roughly of this layout
