TL-191 Uniform, weapons and equipment of the Secondary Combatants.

Chinese collaborationst uniforms could be very interesting for what an alternate Chinese uniform could be .they are very different from the nationalist communist or beiyang uniforms

North China security army officer uniform
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regular soldier
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reformed pacification army uniform
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Chinese collaborationst uniforms could be very interesting for what an alternate Chinese uniform could be .they are very different from the nationalist communist or beiyang uniforms

North China security army officer uniform
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regular soldier
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reformed pacification army uniform
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Yeah. There’s always a lot of cross-over with the armies in China. Besides whatever the Japanese can give them, these armies would also use anything their enemies have. So you get a lot of variety.
 
We would also be looking at a variety of locally produced guns and a equipment of varying quality, and just a ton of foreign supplied guns. I’d imagine that the collaborationist armies would seek to have some kind of uniformity, but considering the state of China in this era that would only be reserved to the few units the Japanese trust.
 
Some ships that I just thought up of and added.

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Ludendorff class Heavy Cruiser (1927)

Specifications (following 1938 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 6x Marine boilers, 2x MAN 4-stroke double action diesel engines
Range: 6,400 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel He 60 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Armor:
  • Belt: 65mm
  • Bulkheads: 70mm
  • Main Deck: 40mm
  • Torpedo Bulkhead: 15mm
  • Turrets: 130mm
  • Barbettes: 80mm
  • Conning Tower: 100mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
  • 6 x 88mm DP guns (3x2)
  • 8 x 20mm AA guns
  • 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
SMS LudendorffHowaldtswerke, KielDecember 5, 1922May 16, 1925January 2, 1927June 5, 1939Sold to the Ottoman Empire (Kalid Bahir), August 1939.
SMS FalkenhaynBlohm & Voss, HamburgDecember 28. 1922July 2, 1925March 10, 1927/January 20, 1941June 10, 1939/February 16, 1946.Training ship, May 1944. Scrapped in Konigsberg, 1947.

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Lettow-Vorbeck class Heavy Cruiser (1932-1934)

Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 13,920 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 4x Wagner Boilers
Range: 8,900 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: FuMO 22 fire control radar
Armor:
  • Belt: 100mm
  • Bulkheads: 60mm
  • Main Deck: 70mm
  • Torpedo Bulkhead: 40mm
  • Turrets: 150mm
  • Barbettes: 80mm
  • Conning Tower: 150mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 105mm DP guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 37mm AA guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 20mm AA guns
  • 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
SMS Lettow-VorbeckKaiserliche-Werft KielFebruary 5, 1929May 19, 1931April 1, 1933April 1947Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955.
SMS WoyrschKaiserliche Werft, WilhelmshavenJune 25, 1931April 1, 1933November 12, 1934Sunk by British Warships in the North Atlantic, February 1943.
SMS Prinz Eitel FriedrichKaiserliche Werft, WilhelmshavenOctober 1, 1930June 30, 1932January 6, 1934Spring 1947Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955.

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Pfalz class Battleship (1931-1933)

Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 54,900 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x geared steam turbines, 9x Wagner boilers
Range: 8,870 nautical miles
Speed: 29 knots
Aviation Capacity: 4 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 2 catapults
Armor:
  • Belt: 320mm
  • Conning Tower: 355mm
  • Main Turrets: 360mm
  • Barbettes: 340mm
  • Secondary Turrets 100mm
  • Main Deck: 120mm
  • Slopes: 100mm
  • Torpedo Bulkhead: 45mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 16 in guns (4x2)
  • 12 x 6 in guns (4x2) and (4x1)
  • 12 x 105mm DP guns (6x2)
  • 16 x 37mm AA guns (8x2)
  • 10 x 20mm AA guns
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
SMS PfalzSchichau-Werke, DanzigJuly 1, 1927February 26, 1930August 24, 1931Sunk during the Battle of the North Sea, September 1942.
SMS TannenburgKaiserliche Werft, WilhelmshavenOctober 20, 1927April 6, 1930February 16, 1932May 1957Scrapped in Danzig, 1962-1964.
SMS PommernBlohm & Voss, HamburgMarch 9, 1928October 12. 1931January 3, 1931July 1958Broken up in Bremen, 1963-1966.
Ersatz PosenHowaldtswerke, KielMay 30, 1928Order cancelled, October 1928. Broken up on slipway 1929.
 
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Some ships that I just thought up of and added.

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Ludendorff class Heavy Cruiser (1927)

Specifications (following 1938 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 6x Marine boilers, 2x MAN 4-stroke double action diesel engines
Range: 6,400 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel He 60 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Armor:
  • Belt: 65mm
  • Bulkheads: 70mm
  • Main Deck: 40mm
  • Torpedo Bulkhead: 15mm
  • Turrets: 130mm
  • Barbettes: 80mm
  • Conning Tower: 100mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
  • 6 x 88mm DP guns (3x2)
  • 8 x 20mm AA guns
  • 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
SMS LudendorffHowaldtswerke, KielDecember 5, 1922May 16, 1925January 2, 1927June 5, 1939Sold to the Ottoman Empire (Kalid Bahir), August 1939.
SMS FalkenhaynBlohm & Voss, HamburgDecember 28. 1922July 2, 1925March 10, 1927/January 20, 1941June 10, 1939/February 16, 1946.Training ship, May 1944. Scrapped in Konigsberg, 1947.

Lettow-Vorbeck.png

Lettow-Vorbeck class Heavy Cruiser (1932-1934)

Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 13,920 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 4x Wagner Boilers
Range: 8,900 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: FuMO 22 fire control radar
Armor:
  • Belt: 100mm
  • Bulkheads: 60mm
  • Main Deck: 70mm
  • Torpedo Bulkhead: 40mm
  • Turrets: 150mm
  • Barbettes: 80mm
  • Conning Tower: 150mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 105mm DP guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 37mm AA guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 20mm AA guns
  • 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
SMS Lettow-VorbeckKaiserliche-Werft KielFebruary 5, 1929May 19, 1931April 1, 1933April 1947Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955.
SMS WoyrschKaiserliche Werft, WilhelmshavenJune 25, 1931April 1, 1933November 12, 1934Sunk by British Warships in the North Atlantic, February 1943.
SMS Prinz Eitel FriedrichKaiserliche Werft, WilhelmshavenOctober 1, 1930June 30, 1932January 6, 1934Spring 1947Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955.

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Pfalz class Battleship (1931-1933)

Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 50,900 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x geared steam turbines, 9x Wagner boilers
Range: 8,870 nautical miles
Speed: 29 knots
Aviation Capacity: 4 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 2 catapults
Armor:
  • Belt: 320mm
  • Conning Tower: 355mm
  • Main Turrets: 360mm
  • Barbettes: 340mm
  • Secondary Turrets 100mm
  • Main Deck: 120mm
  • Slopes: 100mm
  • Torpedo Bulkhead: 45mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 16 in guns (4x2)
  • 12 x 6 in guns (4x2) and (4x1)
  • 12 x 105mm DP guns (6x2)
  • 16 x 37mm AA guns (8x2)
  • 10 x 20mm AA guns
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
SMS PfalzSchichau-Werke, DanzigJuly 1, 1927February 26, 1930August 24, 1931Sunk during the Battle of the North Sea, September 1942.
SMS TannenburgKaiserliche Werft, WilhelmshavenOctober 20, 1927April 6, 1930February 16, 1932May 1957Scrapped in Danzig, 1962-1964.
SMS PommernBlohm & Voss, HamburgMarch 9, 1928October 12. 1931January 3, 1931July 1958Broken up in Bremen, 1963-1966.
It amazes me that Germany would be considered a Secondary Combatant, it would rival the United States but then again the USA and CSA have always been the stars of TL-191.
 
It amazes me that Germany would be considered a Secondary Combatant, it would rival the United States but then again the USA and CSA have always been the stars of TL-191.
I've always thought a second series of TL-191 books set in Europe would be interesting.
 
Now that is a nice sounding name, "Barrel Buster".
Standard name to describe that type of tank in this universe too, at least in North America. The Confederates and the Yankees make occasional comments on how the British like to use the word "Tank" for their armored vehicles and how it "doesn't sound right".
 
Standard name to describe that type of tank in this universe too, at least in North America. The Confederates and the Yankees make occasional comments on how the British like to use the word "Tank" for their armored vehicles and how it "doesn't sound right".
Did you or I coin the name Barrel Buster or did someone else here come up with it? I don’t remember myself and I don’t think it was used in the books.
 
Standard name to describe that type of tank in this universe too, at least in North America. The Confederates and the Yankees make occasional comments on how the British like to use the word "Tank" for their armored vehicles and how it "doesn't sound right".
Would've been funny if the Confederates called them "Casks." Then they could've called a tank kill a "Shot" lel.
 
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