TL-191 Uniform, weapons and equipment of the Secondary Combatants.

British and Commonwealth Heavy of the Second Great War

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Warwick class Heavy Cruiser (1926)

Specifications (following 1939 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Curtis-Brown geared steam turbines, 12x Yarrow Boilers
Range: 7,000 nautical miles
Speed: 30.5 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Fairey Seafox Floatplane, 1 catapult
Armor:
  • Belt: 76mm
  • Main Deck: 38mm
  • Turrets: 25mm
  • Barbettes: 25mm
  • Conning Tower: 76mm
Armament:
  • 6 x 8 in guns (3x2)
  • 4 x 102mm DP guns
  • 2 x 40mm AA guns
  • 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
HMS Warwick (D57)Chatham Dockyard, Chatham.June 3, 1922October 1, 1924July 1926September 1944Badly damaged by Luftwaffe bombers in the North Sea, February 1944. BU 1947.
HMS Wiltshire (D102)Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth.October 4, 1922August 28, 1924July 1927Sunk by SMS U-903 in the Indian Ocean, September 17, 1941.
HMS Essex (D78)Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow.August 2, 1922March 20, 1924September 1926Sunk during the Battle of the Dodecanese, September 2, 1942.
HMS Lincolnshire (D41)Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth.April 2, 1923June 8, 1924June 1927September 1944Badly damaged in the Buenos Aires Raid, December 2, 1943 and never repaired. Scrapped 1944-1949.

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Kent class Heavy Cruiser (1928)

Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 14,910 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 13,300 nautical miles
Speed: 31.5 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Supermarine Walrus Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radar.
Armor:
  • Belt: 114mm
  • Main Deck: 38mm
  • Bulkheads: 25mm
  • Turrets: 25mm
  • Barbettes: 25mm
  • Box Magazine Protection: 111mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 102mm DP guns (4x2)
  • 16 x 40mm AA guns (4x4)
  • 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
  • 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
HMS Kent (65)Chatham Dockyard, Chatham.November 15, 1924March 16, 1926June 22, 1928Sunk at Scapa Flow by USN aircraft, June 2, 1944. BU 1945.
HMS Cornwall (90)Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth.October 9, 1924March 11, 1926August 5, 1928Sunk by Japanese aircraft in the Indian Ocean, April 21, 1944.
HMS Cumberland (59)Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow.October 18, 1924March 16, 1926January 23, 1928Sunk during the Battle of the English Channel, May 6, 1944.
HMS Suffolk (55)Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth.September 30, 1924February 16, 1926May 31, 1928Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 6th, 1943.
HMAS Canberra (I33-D33)John Brown, ClydebankAugust 26, 1925March 17, 1927April 24, 1928Sunk during the Battle of the Solomon Sea, April 4th, 1944.
HMAS Melbourne (I84-D84-C84 1948)John Brown, ClydebankSeptember 9, 1925May 31, 1927August 10, 1928August 31, 1954Sold for scrap, 1955.

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Norfolk class Heavy Cruiser (1930)

Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 14,600 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 79 early warning radar and Type 286 fire control radar.
Armor:
  • Belt: 114mm
  • Main Deck: 38mm
  • Bulkheads: 25mm
  • Turrets: 25mm
  • Barbettes: 25mm
  • Box Magazine Protection: 111mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 102mm DP guns (4x2)
  • 40 x 178mm AA rocket projectors (2x20)
  • 16 x 40mm AA guns (2x8)
  • 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
  • 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
HMS Norfolk (78, C78 - 1948)Fairfield, GovanJuly 8, 1927December 12, 1928April 30, 1930Late 1952Scrapped at Newport, 1953.
HMS Dorsetshire (40)Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth.September 27, 1927January 29, 1929September 30, 1930Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 11, 1943.
HMS Berwick (65)Fairfield, GovanAugust 16, 1927March 1, 1929November 2, 1930September 1944Barracks ship for US occupation forces, July 1944. Scuttled in the North Sea, January 24, 1946.

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HMS York Heavy Cruiser (1930)

Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 10,350 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Armor:
  • Belt: 76mm
  • Main Deck: 38mm
  • Bulkheads: 89mm
  • Turrets: 25mm
  • Barbettes: 25mm
  • Box magazine protection: 127mm
Armament:
  • 6 x 8 in guns (3x2)
  • 4 x 102mm DP guns
  • 2 x 40mm AA guns
  • 2 x 20mm AA guns
  • 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
  • 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Fate​
HMS York (90)Palmers, JarrowMay 16, 1930July 17, 1928May 1, 1930Sunk by US Navy warships in the Denmark Strait, November 12, 1942.

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HMS Exeter Heavy Cruiser (1931)

Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 10,490 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 Early Warning Radar.
Armor:
  • Belt: 76mm
  • Main Deck: 38mm
  • Bulkheads: 89mm
  • Turrets: 25mm
  • Barbettes: 25mm
  • Box magazine protection: 127mm
Armament:
  • 6 x 8 in guns (3x2)
  • 4 x 102mm DP guns
  • 16 x 40mm AA guns (2x8)
  • 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
  • 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Fate​
HMS Exeter (68)Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth.August 1, 1928July 18, 1929July 23, 1931Sunk by shore batteries at Drøbak Sound, April 9, 1942.

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London class Heavy Cruiser (1937)

Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 14,690 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radars.
Armor:
  • Belt: 114mm
  • Main Deck: 38mm
  • Bulkheads: 25mm
  • Turrets: 25mm
  • Barbettes: 25mm
  • Box Magazine Protection: 111mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
  • 8 x 102mm DP guns (4x2)
  • 16 x 40mm AA guns (4x4)
  • 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
  • 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Fate​
HMS London (69)Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth.March 16, 1934October 22, 1935January 31, 1937Sunk by USN aircraft during the Battle of the Magellan Strait, July 28, 1943.
HMS Devonshire (39)Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth.February 23, 1934September 14, 1935March 18, 1937Sunk during the Battle of the North Sea, September 1942.
HMS Shropshire (83)Beardmore, DalmuirFebruary 24, 1935July 5, 1936September 12, 1937Sunk by USN Destroyers near the Falklands, August 16, 1943.
HMS Sussex (96)Hawthorn Leslie, HebburnFebruary 1, 1935February 22, 1936March 19, 1937Sunk during the Battle of Rockall Bank, October 7, 1943.

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Hampshire class Heavy Cruiser (1940-1942)

Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 15,200 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 3 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radars.
Armor:
  • Belt: 125mm
  • Main Deck: 38mm
  • Bulkheads: 25mm
  • Turrets: 25mm
  • Barbettes: 25mm
  • Box Magazine Protection: 115mm
Armament:
  • 9 x 8 in guns (3x3)
  • 14 x 102mm DP guns (7x2)
  • 16 x 40mm AA guns (2x8)
  • 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
  • 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship​
Builder​
Laid Down​
Launched​
Commissioned​
Decommissioned​
Fate​
HMS Hampshire (14)Fairfield, GovanOctober 27, 1937March 4, 1939November 2, 1940September 1944To the USA (USS Providence (CAF-154)), September 1944.
HMS Surrey (17)Swan Hunter, WallsendNovember 4, 1937May 24, 1939January 22, 1941Sunk by Japanese aircraft in the Indian Ocean, April 21, 1944.
HMS Northumberland (47)Fairfield, GovanApril 6, 1938November 11, 1939May 2, 1941Sunk during the Battle of the Norwegian Sea, December 6, 1942.
HMS Ulster (103)Vickers-Armstrong, TyneApril 22, 1938December 29, 1939February 3, 1942Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 11, 1943.
HMS Antrim (93)Cammell Laird, Birkenhead.August 2, 1939December 1, 1941April 9, 1943Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, January 1942.
HMS Sutherland (74)Swan Hunter, WallsendSeptember 21, 1939March 14, 1942July 1943Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, March 1942.
HMS Shetland (100)Scotts, GreenockOctober 2, 1939April 2, 1942September 1943Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, April 1942.
HMS Rutland (112)Cammell Laird, Birkenhead.August 9, 1939January 2, 1942April 25, 1943Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, January 1942.
 
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Does anyone have any thoughts or posts about China ittl?
I have some Chinese alt-aircraft around here somewhere and we've discussed who might supply weapons and such to the Chinese in TL-191. Our general conclusion was that Imperial Germany would most likely assist China since they had good relations IOTL but some other nations have been suggested as well.
Go over the thread and you should find some posts on China but not a lot to be honest but maybe your post will strike up some conversation. :cool:

I personally think the Ottomans and Austro-Hungary as well as Germany would give aid to China but not so sure if the Entente powers would in turn aid Japan, Japan kind of gave everyone the finger in TL-191 and got away with too.
 
I have some Chinese alt-aircraft around here somewhere and we've discussed who might supply weapons and such to the Chinese in TL-191. Our general conclusion was that Imperial Germany would most likely assist China since they had good relations IOTL but some other nations have been suggested as well.
Would that also give them a navy as a way to counter Japan.
 
Good question, I would think that after the Great War the Central Powers might have given the Chinese some ships taken from the Entente but Turtledove never says anything about this.
Well it would be a good idea, if there is a strong China friendly to Germany and the United States, it will be a good counter to Japan,
 
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