The NextGen OTL Worlda Series

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by hadaril, Jan 30, 2018.

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  1. Chris S Member

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    Very nice, but Italian Somaliland was occupied and administered by the British until 1949 when it became a UN Trust Territory under Italian Administration. So it should be shown like occupied Germany, Austria, northeastern Italy, Korea or Japan.


    Made some changes:

    Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary were also occupied. British (and I believe American) forces did not withdraw from Iran until March 1946, so it should still be shown as occupied. Changed French West Africa back to the 1942 version of the map since Upper Volta didn't exist again until 1947.

    Hadn't made changes to Thailand as suggested by another user.

    Jan 1 1946 next gen OTL worlda.png
     
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  2. SnivyLink *insert witty comment here*

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    I made some further patches to the 2017 map: 1563047454445.png
     
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  3. SnivyLink *insert witty comment here*

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    Fixed parts of the 1914 map too:
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  4. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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  5. SnivyLink *insert witty comment here*

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    I fixed the carribean Islands (they're shown as part of their correct countries now), the dodecannese are part of Italy now, and the Caprivi strip is part of German Southwest Africa.
    Edit: I also fixed the internal German States
     
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  6. Sasalele Disgruntled Nut

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    I'm looking for a 1794 map. 1800 will work if 1794 inst available.
     
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  7. SnivyLink *insert witty comment here*

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    I think we need a map for 1884; 1861 to 1914 is way too long a gap
     
  8. damein fisher This bad boy can fit so many maps in it

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    A 1905 map should also be added. A lot happened between then and 1914.
     
  9. Thon Taddeo Well-Known Member

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    On some twentieth century maps there's a random red pixel on the coast of the Laptev sea.
     
  10. SnivyLink *insert witty comment here*

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    Hey quick question should we show the Cook Islands and Niue as independent or part of New Zealand? Because Palau, Micronesia and the Marshall Islands are independent from the US in the maps
     
  11. Iserlohn Amateur Cartographer

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    It's a really good question, and I guess the reason why Palau, Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands are shown as genuinely independent is that they are UN member states, while the Cook Islands and Niue are not. Their relationships to the US and NZ are very similar, yes, but the lack of UN membership (which both could easily gett using the other three as precedent), marks them as being close enough to NZ (which is at least the reasoning I use in my Worlda alternate history maps).

    It'd make sense to make a call on how to approach this issue once and for all in this series of maps though.
     
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  12. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    I don't really like using the UN's decisions for de facto maps, though, since countries like Taiwan, Somaliland, and Abkhazia aren't recognised despite very obviously being legitimate states.

    And really, it's telling that those US associated nations are essentially just extra votes used by the US to influence the UN.
     
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  13. FancyHat Well-Known Member

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    I color them both as "protectorates," personally. I think that gets the idea across while still showing that they're legally distinct.
     
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  14. SnivyLink *insert witty comment here*

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    I've shown them as puppets before but dependencies work better
     
  15. FancyHat Well-Known Member

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    Protectorate is probably the closest to what they are legally (see the Compact of Free Association); I'm not sure how you would show they're puppet states using the traditional method anyway, given that they're small islands.
     
  16. SnivyLink *insert witty comment here*

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    We need to fix the 1848 map
     
  17. hadaril NextGen Worlda Project Lead

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    July 16th, 2019:
    - Added 1688 AD
    - Updated 1000 AD through 1803 with fixed African borders.
    - Added SnivyLink's patched 1914 map.
     
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  18. Imperator Frank Tellurian Worldbuilder

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    At least one Mayan city remained unconquered by 1697, i cant remember its name though. Also, didnt the Iroquois Confederacy conquer most of the land north of the Ohio by the beginning of the 1700s?
     
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  19. Col. Angus Mem8er

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    On the old maps, there were ones for 1885, 1890, 1900, and 1905. They look pretty good and recent compared to some of the other old ones, and borders could probably be transferred to the new map or at least used as a starting point

    Nojpeten (modern Flores) was the city that was conquered in 1697. That is generally considered the end of the Mayan conquest, though some small villages here and there would have remained outside effective Spanish control after. And in 1847, the Yucatan Caste War broke out, with a Mayan revolt centered on the city of Chan Santa Cruz, which established a state that lasted until 1901 with some holdouts in remote settlements until 1933.

    As for the Iroquois, it looks like they did in the late 1600s and early 1700s, at least according to this map from wikipedia, though that map looks kinda sketchy and anyone mapping their expansion might want to find some more reliable seeming sources perhaps

    Also, looking at the maps in the first post, I've noticed that both the 1941 maps and other changes that I mentioned here a couple months ago still haven't been implemented, just wondering if anything's up with that? I could do some more edits to some of the other maps affected by the stuff I mentioned at some point if that would help, its just that you said you'd add the 1941 maps as quoted but then didn't and I'm wondering if it was just forgotten, or instead if I missed a later message where someone noticed issues with my 1941 maps and suggestions or something, hence them not being added?
     
  20. hadaril NextGen Worlda Project Lead

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    Oops, I probably just forgot to add them! My bad! I'll do that tomorrow morning. As for the 4 maps you linked, they look like they'd indeed be good starting points. I'll see what I can do to transfer them over and fact-check them. If I don't do all of them, I'd at least like to do 2, likely 1885 and 1900.
     
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