The Great Crusade (Reds! Part 3)

I think it is more anarcho-syndicalist than communist totalitarian regime.

I'd describe the UASR ITTL as broadly in mold of council communism/the workers opposition of early Soviet Russia. (more the latter in a lot of respects in my opinion).

Totalitarian is also a term that I struggle to actually see as being worthwhile. It's a term from the Cold War that I don't think has much if any value in discussions of actual history.
 
I would push a choice of expelling the Stalinists or a path focused on removing Stalin from power early and putting power in the hands of Trotsky at the expense of national unity for the USSR. I like having multiple paths and the focus trees are really good at that.
 

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I would push a choice of expelling the Stalinists or a path focused on removing Stalin from power early and putting power in the hands of Trotsky at the expense of national unity for the USSR. I like having multiple paths and the focus trees are really good at that.

Is that a realistic possibility? It'd have to be a pretty major national unity hit.

And wouldn't this discussion be more appropriate for the fanfic thread?
 
Hey,
So, I haven't posted here in a while, and despite that, I've been following Reds for a long while. Recently, I've taken up modding, and I decided to give creating a Reds! mod for HoI IV a try. As a "proof of concept," I wanted to post some pics here, to see what people think:

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There's still a lot that needs doing, even if I was just working on the UASR as a nation on its own. I have to create a Focus Tree (for those who don't play HoI IV, the Focus Tree is a set of national ideas that your country can pursue, like "Claim Territory in France" or "Make an Industrial Effort"), rename the equipment and some of the divisions, and possibly tweak the AI a bit. Just wanted to put this out there and get people's opinions.
Do you think about anarcho-communist?

communism = {

types = {

marxism = {
}

leninism = {
}

stalinism = {
}

anti_revisionism = {
}

anarchist_communism = {
}

}
 

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I'm fine with it here, as it stimulates period discussion.

So how are the German manpower reserves as of this moment in the TL? OTL, Bulgaria joined the Axis and then did pretty much nothing but carve out a small slice of Greece, will there be actual Bulgarian commitments to the Ostfront? And will native tank and plane designs be present at all, or will the minors tend to buy German, French, and British in bulk?
 
Do you think about anarcho-communist?

communism = {

types = {

marxism = {
}

leninism = {
}

stalinism = {
}

anti_revisionism = {
}

anarchist_communism = {
}

}

I don't understand how the HoI 4's left-wing ideology matrix works at all, it sounds mostly superfluous.

There is no point to have stalinism and anti-revisionism, as Stalinism is extremely doctrinaire and rejects deviations from the party line.

I think the anti-revisionist type should be replaced by revisionist, as it would cover most of the non-anarchist left.

Also what would marxism entail? Would it be syndicalist "people's revolution", Paris-style communal democracy or something else entirely? The marxist type is unnecessary as there are many types of marxism, from classical, orthodox, revisionist, reformist, syndicalist, anarchist, utopian etc.
 
So how are the German manpower reserves as of this moment in the TL? OTL, Bulgaria joined the Axis and then did pretty much nothing but carve out a small slice of Greece, will there be actual Bulgarian commitments to the Ostfront? And will native tank and plane designs be present at all, or will the minors tend to buy German, French, and British in bulk?
Bulgaria is a maybe on the commitment to the ostfront, Italy also can send more and more competent aid over to the eastern front; though now that war with France and Britain has begun that's their main theater. As for gear, it really depends on the minor. Sweden had a huge arms industry and so can produce basically all of its own equipment. Countries like Hungary, the Croatian puppet state, Bulgaria, Turkey, Iraq et al probably have only some home made equipment. And when things like the Entwicklung tanks start rolling out there's going to be a push for European axis wide standardization.
 
Oh are you guys talking about a mod already? I started one already would anyone like the files for it? BTW is this what the Americas would look like in 1936?

South America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/2sstfc4r540zvva/Untitled.png
Carribean: http://www.mediafire.com/view/m58oyic5kzyacpr/Screenshot5.png
Central America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/by3xi8j96octggg/Screenshot 1.png
North America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/xau998vcchajcas/Screenshot4.png

I started the national focus tree and I did alot of the stuff that you guys seem to be talking about, like continuing the five year plan. However there's still a lot more to add.
 
Oh are you guys talking about a mod already? I started one already would anyone like the files for it? BTW is this what the Americas would look like in 1936?

South America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/2sstfc4r540zvva/Untitled.png
Carribean: http://www.mediafire.com/view/m58oyic5kzyacpr/Screenshot5.png
Central America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/by3xi8j96octggg/Screenshot 1.png
North America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/xau998vcchajcas/Screenshot4.png

I started the national focus tree and I did alot of the stuff that you guys seem to be talking about, like continuing the five year plan. However there's still a lot more to add.

Very interesting, though you should change the ideology for anarchist-communism (which, really, is what better describes the UASR- although how anarchist and how communist the UASR is depends on your POV). Also change the ruling party names for the socialist nations
 
Very interesting, though you should change the ideology for anarchist-communism (which, really, is what better describes the UASR- although how anarchist and how communist the UASR is depends on your POV). Also change the ruling party names for the socialist nations

"Radical" is the catch all "faction" for their ideoliges. Their offical ideology is De Leonism. Here I'll post some more screenshots in a minute.

Edit: Ideology: https://www.mediafire.com/?ejvrgf4rvjs8k3c

Second Edit: This is what my ideology folder looks like for radicalism:

"radicalism = {

types = {

de_leonism = {
}

christian_socialism = {
}

liberal_socialism = {
}

anarchist_communism = {
}
}"

Communism is the same it just has Maoism added as another ideology. I'm not great at writing short descriptions of ideologies though but I'm sure you guys are better at that.

Third Edit: Since we were already talking about it my little national focus tree that needs serious expansion :)

http://www.mediafire.com/view/kkf9lc6flftl996/Focus.png

And just for flavour the "interesting countries screen"

http://www.mediafire.com/view/m26y0u4s6egpwjy/Screenshot 2.png

It's nowhere near being done obviously but I think it's a decent start.
 
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"radicalism = {

types = {

de_leonism = {
}

christian_socialism = {
}

liberal_socialism = {
}

Liberal socialism is such an oxymoron, but it actually exists. It's like saying a monarchist republican or a atheist christian, it just sounds ridiculous.
 
Liberal socialism is such an oxymoron, but it actually exists. It's like saying a monarchist republican or a atheist christian, it just sounds ridiculous.

Yeah I know but it's supposed to represent the "Right-Wing" of the UASR (the ideology of the DRP), and I couldn't think of a better term that would apply to other countries. "Fabian" seems UASR and British centered and wouldn't apply in Third-World Countries with the radical ideology. If there's a better term I'll change it though. "Social Democrat" maybe, though I thought that retained its original Marxist origins in the Reds Universe?
 
Yeah I know but it's supposed to represent the "Right-Wing" of the UASR (the ideology of the DRP), and I couldn't think of a better term that would apply to other countries. "Fabian" seems UASR and British centered and wouldn't apply in Third-World Countries with the radical ideology. If there's a better term I'll change it though. "Social Democrat" maybe, though I thought that retained its original Marxist origins in the Reds Universe?

yes, I think social democrat should be the term, as the split between revolutionary socialism and reformist socialism is mostly healed, social democrats still consider themselves to be (moderate) marxists.
 
Oh are you guys talking about a mod already? I started one already would anyone like the files for it? BTW is this what the Americas would look like in 1936?

South America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/2sstfc4r540zvva/Untitled.png
Carribean: http://www.mediafire.com/view/m58oyic5kzyacpr/Screenshot5.png
Central America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/by3xi8j96octggg/Screenshot 1.png
North America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/xau998vcchajcas/Screenshot4.png

I started the national focus tree and I did alot of the stuff that you guys seem to be talking about, like continuing the five year plan. However there's still a lot more to add.

Is there a link to download?
 
Is there a link to download?

As I said earlier it's not even close to done. Many if not most of the national focuses are "paper tigers" (they have titles, they have descriptions, but most have effects that are nonsensensical), there are no events, not even all the ComIntern countries are fleshed out, etc. But if you or anyone else is interested here you go however I was more recommending the files for someone to build on them and mod them further not to actually play them but you can do what ever you want with them. I'd recommend waiting for a finished version of the mod to come out though you almost certainly won't have any much fun with this one apart from maybe just looking over the initial countries in the Americas if you're a really big Reds! fan:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/vmx8irl46ms6dt6/Reds.zip

I didn't know when I posted here that two other people had already started a mod, and they didn't know I started one. I'll try to get in contact with them and see if we can merge our mods. Again there's almost nothing to what's in that file apart from setting up the initial countries in the Americas and adding ideologies and stuff like that.
 
Oh are you guys talking about a mod already? I started one already would anyone like the files for it? BTW is this what the Americas would look like in 1936?

South America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/2sstfc4r540zvva/Untitled.png
Carribean: http://www.mediafire.com/view/m58oyic5kzyacpr/Screenshot5.png
Central America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/by3xi8j96octggg/Screenshot 1.png
North America: http://www.mediafire.com/view/xau998vcchajcas/Screenshot4.png

I started the national focus tree and I did alot of the stuff that you guys seem to be talking about, like continuing the five year plan. However there's still a lot more to add.
You really should all form a team on paradox interactive's forum.
 
Very interesting, though you should change the ideology for anarchist-communism (which, really, is what better describes the UASR- although how anarchist and how communist the UASR is depends on your POV). Also change the ruling party names for the socialist nations

The UASR is in no way anarcho-communist. It's a council communist state in some ways, but it's politics are most in line with the Bolshevik Workers Opposition program.
 
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