The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

TTL was great. It’s one of the most creative I’ve seen on AH.Com. Great work @Sorairo. It was a good POD idea that I haven’t seen done and I liked how it focused a good deal on the Middle East (which doesn’t seem like it gets focused on as much as other regions in alternate history).

I’ve been wondering what does nuclear proliferation look like ITTL? Are nuclear bomb despised more and which countries have nuclear weapons?
 
@Sorairo - I just finished this excellent TL and though I was sad to see it come to an end I thought the way you concluded your last chapter was very poetically done.

Terrific work, and this is certainly one of my favorites on this site, by far.
 

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Some questions I have regarding Enrico Fermi, one of the principal scientists behind the Manhattan Project. So this is something I found shocking. Apparently he had been a member of the Fascist party.

Fermi married Laura Capon, a science student at the university, on 19 July 1928.[36] They had two children: Nella, born in January 1931, and Giulio, born in February 1936.[37] On 18 March 1929, Fermi was appointed a member of the Royal Academy of Italy by Mussolini, and on 27 April he joined the Fascist Party. He later opposed Fascism when the 1938 racial laws were promulgated by Mussolini in order to bring Italian Fascism ideologically closer to German National Socialism. These laws threatened Laura, who was Jewish, and put many of Fermi's research assistants out of work.
Given that ATL Mussolini was somewhat less scummy than OTL, in keeping Nazi Germany at arms length pre-war before then fighting alongside the Allies, is it the case that Fermi stayed in Italy and that he is responsible for Fascist Italy becoming a nuclear power? While I don't know how much true conviction Fermi used to have towards Fascism, is it supposed that he turned more firmly ideologically dedicated? If so, then does that make him a controversial figure within Nuclear Physics in nations like the USA?

Now, this timeline is pretty detailed, so pardon me if I had overlooked on any details which give the answers.
 
Some questions I have regarding Enrico Fermi, one of the principal scientists behind the Manhattan Project. So this is something I found shocking. Apparently he had been a member of the Fascist party.


Given that ATL Mussolini was somewhat less scummy than OTL, in keeping Nazi Germany at arms length pre-war before then fighting alongside the Allies, is it the case that Fermi stayed in Italy and that he is responsible for Fascist Italy becoming a nuclear power? While I don't know how much true conviction Fermi used to have towards Fascism, is it supposed that he turned more firmly ideologically dedicated? If so, then does that make him a controversial figure within Nuclear Physics in nations like the USA?

Well OTL Mussolini was certainly a bad man, but he was generally popular among the public, and aside from his brutal actions in Libya and Eritrea, he was relatively hands off on the Italian population.

It is possible Fermi still remains a loyal Italian subject, but might also praise Il Duce for helping rescue the Jews.
 
@Sorairo What is life like within the Kingdom of Lesotho considering it's a landlocked nation surrounded by the hellish state of South Africa and its puppets? I'm surprised the British didn't do everything they can to get sea access for Lesotho or a land strip to Lusitiania. The country probably has the most developed airline industry in the world.

Also will we ever get a story about how Harold Camping as Ambassador to Lebanon made the biggest American diplomatic incident in the 21st century with his prophecy bullshit?
 
I'm surprised the British didn't do everything they can to get sea access for Lesotho or a land strip to Lusitiania. The country probably has the most developed airline industry in the world.

Do you rembemer what SA threatened to do if foreign nations involve to Homeland War? Yes, nuking London, New York, Paris and several other cities. Such mad nation can't be deal. And it would be really hard expand such small and poor nation when there wouldn't be very much of Sotho population.

Personally I would imaginate that Lesotho is slightly better than its neigbors.
 
Some questions I have regarding Enrico Fermi...
There is the option of using the 'search - this thread' function of this forum.

I remembered vaguely Fermi being one of the leaders of Italy's nuclear program in this timeline. I remembered correctly - a search led me for example to this chapter about the soviets getting pretty much the entirely of the Manhattan project handed to them on a silver platter.

Most historians believe that the transfer of American nuclear knowledge to the Soviet Union started at the infamous meeting Wallace had with Gorsky, though the rest is somewhat fuzzy. Gorksy (in what could only be described as darkly humorous when one has the full details of the case) tried to convince Wallace that Secretary of State Hiss could be relied upon to do the job. Hiss feigned reluctance when approached but was inwardly stunned nonetheless. It was the greatest possible outcome for the Soviets – Hiss reportedly mused if he would get an Order of Lenin for the accomplishment. From there, Hiss contacted his controllers and coordinated a plan to extract the mechanisms for nuclear weaponry in full. From that, Operation Lighthouse was born. Every Soviet spy in Moscow’s books in the American atomic program was given a specific assignment. With the White House itself giving out passes to the assailants like candy, it was no problem. While the chain had many links, it culminated primarily in a series of spies who existed right at the heart of the Manhattan Project. Heading the ground operation were the couple of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who enlisted Klaus Fuchs and Morris Cohen among others to gather the materials required. Given security passes straight from the top, the assignment proved to be, in the words of Cohen, ‘boring and easy’. By the middle of 1947 (precise dates are hard to quantify given the intensity with which the Soviets approached the secrecy of the operation), it was estimated by one historian that ‘more than 90% of the Manhattan Project’s notes could be recreated in Moscow’. MI6 had reported to Whitehall that there were serious movements in the Soviet atomic program, but they were dismissed given reports of how primitive their systems initially were. Indeed, the European powers (especially Britain and Italy) continued to pursue separate programs. As the head of the Italian Nuclear program (Enrico Fermi) would later recall ‘we worked lazily without knowing we had gun barrels pressed to our temples’.
 
There is the option of using the 'search - this thread' function of this forum.

I remembered vaguely Fermi being one of the leaders of Italy's nuclear program in this timeline. I remembered correctly - a search led me for example to this chapter about the soviets getting pretty much the entirely of the Manhattan project handed to them on a silver platter.
Better to link to the Completed TL thread. Easier to just use Ctrl+F, too.

 
I like to think that most of the World think that SA doesn't exist and cuts them off from any world map.

We don't do that with other nations which we don't like. It wasn't done to Gaddafi's Libya nor Hussein's Iraq. And it isn't done to other rogue states either. It would be totally ridicolous.

Anyway, I have bit thought this world and comparing to OTL I would say that FoM is better than OTL. USA and Canada are pretty same as OTL altough USA mgiht not be politically as polarised as in OTL. Latin America is mostly better. Cuba is democratic nation, Central America hasn't suffered from disastrous civil wars and Brazil and CHile have avoided brutal military dictatorship and South America is economically more proseprous than OTL. Africa is generally more stable and prosperous altough SA is really shithole and Ethiopia is just different but not much better or worse than OTL. Middle East is more stable and peaceful. Rest of Asia is much better than OTL if you are not Muslim in India nor Ainu in Japan. India is more prosperous and due lack of Pakistan there is not endless fear on nculear war. Indochina has escaped communism and terrible wars. China might be bit authotarian but far from totalitarism of PRC. Kore is unite and there is not North Korea. Russia is pretty much pacifist nation which decreases tensions in Eastern Europe. Belarus is democratic nation, there is not tensions in Caucasus, at least not as serious as in OTL. Eastern Europe is more liberal and prosperous. Balkans too is economically bit better.
 
Anyway, I have bit thought this world and comparing to OTL I would say that FoM is better than OTL. USA and Canada are pretty same as OTL altough USA mgiht not be politically as polarised as in OTL. Latin America is mostly better. Cuba is democratic nation, Central America hasn't suffered from disastrous civil wars and Brazil and CHile have avoided brutal military dictatorship and South America is economically more proseprous than OTL. Africa is generally more stable and prosperous altough SA is really shithole and Ethiopia is just different but not much better or worse than OTL. Middle East is more stable and peaceful. Rest of Asia is much better than OTL if you are not Muslim in India nor Ainu in Japan. India is more prosperous and due lack of Pakistan there is not endless fear on nculear war. Indochina has escaped communism and terrible wars. China might be bit authotarian but far from totalitarism of PRC. Kore is unite and there is not North Korea. Russia is pretty much pacifist nation which decreases tensions in Eastern Europe. Belarus is democratic nation, there is not tensions in Caucasus, at least not as serious as in OTL. Eastern Europe is more liberal and prosperous. Balkans too is economically bit better.
But the cost which led to said outcome makes it a scenario which isn't better (or worse) than OTL, just different.
 
But the cost which led to said outcome makes it a scenario which isn't better (or worse) than OTL, just different.

This is not perfect wold but I still think that being better thabn OTL. Yes, human cost wsa terrible but OTL has too seen terrible human costs after WW2. Yes, some places are clearly worse than OTL but quiet many are in better condition than OTL. There is not millions of dead in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. Second Arab War has taken about as many human lives as all wars in OTL Middle East after WW2 altough several cities were nuked down. But still in 2021 you have more peaceful ME.
 
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