The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

Ouch, I actually feel pity for Wallace, despite his myriad cock-ups. On the other hand, his idealism and stubbornness blinded him to the evil of Joseph Stalin, and he DID provide aid to America’s enemies. I’m also interested in Jackie Robinson’s story.
 
So Rommel in this timeline apparently isn't the same guy who OTL was a close friend of Hitler, who conducted pogroms against the Jewish communities along the North African Coast, and who worked with Einsatzgruppen detachments in Egypt?
 
· On February 20th 1948, King Abdullah of Jordan, a state that was carved out of the Trans-Jordan mandate, was assassinated by Soviet agents with the help of Arab nationalists within the King’s bodyguards. Abdullah supported peace negotiations with Israel, but the Soviets wanted the nascent Jewish state obliterated. Adbullah’s son Talal was cowed by his military officers to face down the Israelis, with the support of the Soviets. Talal, terrified of the same fate befalling him as his father, agreed to suspend negotiations with Israel. The officers had been thrilled by the Soviet nuking of Warsaw, and saw the Soviets as the stronger party in the Cold War, especially given Western inaction – seen as weakness. On March 1st, after further threats from officers within the Jordanian army (now thoroughly penetrated by Soviet agents and sympathizers), the Arab League began military operations against the Jewish state. British troops were nowhere to be seen, having been moved to Europe in light of the slaughter in Poland. In those initial days of the conflict, it seemed certain that the Jews of Palestine were doomed.

Does the Arab Legion not exist?
 
The only way I see the war in China not being a total cluster for the US would be a heavy policy of Sinozation (Sinicism? I'm not sure how to render the verb outside of Vietnam.). Basically use US troops to guard rear bases and guide a river of equipment to locals who do the heavy lifting. Keeps US casualties down and atrocities safely out of popular view.

Even if the KMT is broken, it's not like there's a shortage of local warlords in China that the US could choose to prop up.

Patton's attitude seems to be steering things in a different direction, though.
 
Unfortunate fate for Wallace altough he is surely one of worst presidents of USA, close of Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan. But in the end he was just good-willing useful idiot who refused to see Stalin's true face before it was too late.

China will be messy. It seems being Vietnam in steroids.

And USA is not more pro-colonialist. But French and their allies hardly can win there in long run. Just wondering are Americans too helping Dutch in Indonesia.
 
So Rommel in this timeline apparently isn't the same guy who OTL was a close friend of Hitler, who conducted pogroms against the Jewish communities along the North African Coast, and who worked with Einsatzgruppen detachments in Egypt?

The Clean Wehrmacht myth is probably more pervasive ITTL.
 

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So Rommel in this timeline apparently isn't the same guy who OTL was a close friend of Hitler, who conducted pogroms against the Jewish communities along the North African Coast, and who worked with Einsatzgruppen detachments in Egypt?
what? Rommel was indeed a close friend of Hitler but he always disobeyed to kill captured general(commando order) and never deported the Jewish, his wife reported that Rommel asked Hitler to simply deport all the Jewish in Palestine and let them live but instead the fuhrer replied laughing that it was too close and Madagascar was a better option.
 
About Vietnam: TTL there were many elements which shown would have granted victory to France. First: France was able to return in Indochina before Japan's surrender. Second: Chiang and the Nationalists were much more supportive of the French after Wallace's betrayal of China and so indifferent to the cause of indochinese nationalism. Third: France TTL was slightly more stable because De Gaulle held his position and didn't resign. Fourth: the Vietcong wasn't in a position to receive any form of support. The USSR was wasting energies in Poland and in the Middle East, China was consumed by the Civil War, maybe the only country which could have received some assistance might have been Korea. On the opposite France, while missing help from the US during Wallace's Presidency, has still support from Europe, in particular Britain and Italy. The first to keep in line India and the second to gain influence in the Far East. The Chinese War gave the final nail to the Vietcong's aspirations, if else because between Indochina and China the USSR will prefer the latter to support and prop.

About the trials, they surely show how America is surely going so dark in the early 1950. Hopefully when things will stabilize on the international scenery (so after the Chinese War at least or when Stalin will die) the US might find back some sanity... Might.
 

gurgu

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About the trials, they surely show how America is surely going so dark in the early 1950. Hopefully when things will stabilize on the international scenery (so after the Chinese War at least or when Stalin will die) the US might find back some sanity... Might.

Well, dark no but maybe more nationalist/fascist in terms of political view yes. Patty had good relations with Benny so it won't exclude some future collaboration or common research while churchill and the rest of england still keeping the colonies but enable to do anything on her own without risking to lose support/help/cooperation from the roman alliance and USA, same for France.
 
New side post, something about movies but above all about 1940's sport age in Italy. Again with additions and revisions from Sorairo. Enjoy!


Meanwhile the 1940’s Italian football was dominated by the hegemony of the Torino FC. Being able to gather a pool of young talents, the squad won without interruption all the Italian first league championships from 1943 to 1950, arriving to be the core of the Italian team of the 1950 World Football Championship in Brazil as defenders of Italy’s holder title, after 12 years of hiatus due to the war. As many countries were not ready to participate in the competition, FIFA adopted a unique group cage process in two phases. After beating 3-2 Sweden and 2-0 Paraguay, Italy passed the first group phase; winning 4-3 against Brazil (“The Match Of The Century” according to many footballing historians, starting a long term feud between Italy and Brazil for the title of the world’s greatest footballing nation), 3-2 against Uruguay and finally 3-1 Spain, Italy with a full score won the championship, and also the right to keep forever the Trophy, the so called Jules Rimet Trophy (by FIFA’s decree, to be given to the squad which would win for first three world championships). It was raised by the Azzurri’s captain, Valentino Mazzola. The 1940s ended in triumph for the “Grande Torino”. [1]

Italy’s sporting dominance in the 1940s was punctuated by the success of the Italian Olympic team in the Summer Games of London of 1948, the first ones after the war. With 11 gold medals won (rowing, fencing, cyclism, football, boxing, water polo, shooting) 30 medals overall, Italy arrived third overall in competitions won behind the US and Sweden, followed by France and a surprising fifth place for Hungary (with King Otto calling the success “the rebirth of Hungary’). But this period would soon end with the coming of 1950s being dominated by the dominance of the Cold War, even in sport. This would lead to one of the most pivotal events of 20th century Italy: the Summer Olympic Games of 1960 in Rome…

[1]: ITTL there is no tragedy of Superga, hence Italy winning its third World Football Championship in a row. Those 1948 games went slight better for Italy with 1 gold in football slipped from Denmark and 2 in shooting slipped from the US and Switzerland. This will mean the Netherlands will rank 9th while Switzerland and Denmark would fall to 10th and 11th place.

Superga butterflied away
Grande Torino still dominating serie a

You just made this granata tifoso a very happy man
 
The people I most feel sorry for are President Wallace’s family esp as they don’t even get a body to bury.

When the truth emerges about Wallace not being an Agent I hope they get at least an apology.
 
The Clean Wehrmacht myth is probably more pervasive ITTL.

Whitewashing of Wehrmact will be surely massive. It would be seen just as normal army which had serve one of worst regime in the history. Just wondering what Hollywood WW2 movies will look like. I think that Wehrmact will be shown just as normal enemy army and if atrotcities must be shown these are always committed by Waffen-SS. Probably in many Hollywood movies is too some good Germans who betray Nazis and join to Americans.

The people I most feel sorry for are President Wallace’s family esp as they don’t even get a body to bury.

When the truth emerges about Wallace not being an Agent I hope they get at least an apology.

Disrespectuf treatment of Wallace's body will be surely shameful thing when truth will be revealed. And Wallace's family hardly can have normal life all when family head is seen as traitor, as bad as Benedict Arnold.

Just wondering will Wallace's memoirs ever been published.
 
Whitewashing of Wehrmact will be surely massive. It would be seen just as normal army which had serve one of worst regime in the history. Just wondering what Hollywood WW2 movies will look like. I think that Wehrmact will be shown just as normal enemy army and if atrotcities must be shown these are always committed by Waffen-SS. Probably in many Hollywood movies is too some good Germans who betray Nazis and join to Americans.



Disrespectuf treatment of Wallace's body will be surely shameful thing when truth will be revealed. And Wallace's family hardly can have normal life all when family head is seen as traitor, as bad as Benedict Arnold.

Just wondering will Wallace's memoirs ever been published.

Wallace’s memoirs were published almost immediately. No one believed him until much too late.
 
Why did Stalin directly annex Finland?

Why not directly annex Finland? He didn't do it IOTL because the Finns managed a successful (enough) defence in the Winter War and in the summer of 1944. ITTL the Red Army conquered Finland, so it is more or less plausible that Finland could have gone pretty much along the same path as the Baltic states IOTL.
 
Why not directly annex Finland? He didn't do it IOTL because the Finns managed a successful (enough) defence in the Winter War and in the summer of 1944. ITTL the Red Army conquered Finland, so it is more or less plausible that Finland could have gone pretty much along the same path as the Baltic states IOTL.

This, and also the not so hidden desire to rebuild the Russian Empire in Soviet sauce.

I just wondered which aspects of Finnish culture will be majorly suppressed. Or certain cultural aspects such as if the Moomins will see the light, TTL.
 
This, and also the not so hidden desire to rebuild the Russian Empire in Soviet sauce.

I just wondered which aspects of Finnish culture will be majorly suppressed. Or certain cultural aspects such as if the Moomins will see the light, TTL.

Finnish culture is probably quiet screwed. Stalin was good to screw things. Cultural life would be pretty non-existence and not much development in popular culture. About The Moomins might still be exist. Probably Tove Jansson is lucky enough that she could flee to Sweden. The Moomins probably would be visibly more anti-Communist and perhaps still anti-Fascist too. I would assume that The Moomins would be bit darker than in OTL. Some troublemaker characters might be really bad persons instead being just nasty.

And any thing which remind about Finnish nationalism, independence or tsarist era will be strongly suppressed. Even tsar Alexander II's statue on Senate Square in Helsinki will be destroyed and probably replaced by Lenin's statue.

But another intresting thing is how Finnish history writing is going to see Finnish Civil War. Probably Soviet regime is going to see the war as failed revolution which was defeated by fascist regime. If Finland again gains independence and becomes Western democracy history writing hardly will be very friendly towards Reds. And probably Mannerheim is going to be even more glorified when he is seen as martyr who fourght against Communist tyranny. Not then sure how president Risto Ryti will be seen. It depends what to him has happened.
 
what? Rommel was indeed a close friend of Hitler but he always disobeyed to kill captured general(commando order) and never deported the Jewish, his wife reported that Rommel asked Hitler to simply deport all the Jewish in Palestine and let them live but instead the fuhrer replied laughing that it was too close and Madagascar was a better option.

Look up what happened to the Jewish communities of Benghazi, and Tunis, Einsatzgruppen Tunis, Einsatzgruppen Egypt, and his letters to his wife stating that the Fuhrers ideas are good for Germany. The Rommel myth is just that a myth, like most of the Wehrmacht and Heer officers Rommel was a morally bankrupt officer who followed Hitler right up to until he ordered his death
 
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