And we will clearly see tensions between either British King and later Prime Minister Oswald Mosley about the best path for Englands future. ;D
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The Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Never read it or even heard of it before, will give it a look.
What is so similar to that book compared to my TL?
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Germany dictating regime change in Britain (even something affecting only monarchy) will never happen. Britain might accept that Europe and East Asia are lost, but won't relinquish any part (even small or symbolic) of her own independence.
Clearly and such a dictated regime isn't planned, or happening TTL because of the peace with the Axis Central Powers. But the loss of the Second Great War will bring Mosley to power as the Premier Minister in England and he will aim for a pro-german, or at least neutral to Germany King (no matter who that might be) as well as a coexisting between Fascist Monarchist Britain and the Axis Central Powers dominating the rest of the Continent. There will be close economic ties, even if Mosleys Britain might not be a direct part of the ACP in any way or form. Clearly therse Mosleyite Britain will be closer to the ACP then to America (whose main goal is to reinstall democracy and to decolonise whatever part is still left of any colonial Empire including the British one).
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I have to admit I was not expecting Project Habakkuk to be mentioned.
Better to crush the Soviets and strangle the supply lifelines of the UK than try to invade. With Europe and Asia under your influence you have cut off the main profit center of the British Empire.
Chapter 317: National Monarchism: Imperial French Napoléonism
Chapter 317: National Monarchism: Imperial French Napoléonism
The National Monarchism that had formed in the French Empire was known as Napoléonism, because of Louis Jérôme Victor Emmanuel Léopold Marie, better known as Emperor Napoléon VI of the Bonaparte dynasty upon the Imperial throne of France. It's roods were Sorelianism, Bonapartism like it was under the Second French Empire, before the Second Republic and partly even the Bourbon Restoration as a constitutional national monarchy. Supported by the French Nationale Royalists, the Mouvement Franciste, the National Monarchiste Popular Party, the Socialiste Revolutionary Movement, the French National-Collectivit Party and the French League, a well a National Monarchists, Fascist Royalists and old Aristocratic families they formed the power base for the new monarchic state. The French Parliament (French: Parlement français), the Senate (Sénat) and the National Assembly (Assemblée nationale) were dominated by parties and groups that had different opinions on France's future then Emperor Napoléon himself. Luckily the Emperor had a ally in Supreme Commander Philippine Pétain, as well as some of the new Counts (Comte), Dukes (Duc) or Barons (some aristocrats, others fascists and nationalists) that started to rule the Departments and their subdivisions. While this groups openly supported to fight alongside the German Empire and the rest of the Axis Central Powers, Napoléon VI and his supporters had their own visions for France Future. Some of them did not wish to fight the allies, others hoped to at least remain a equal power besides the Empires of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Some hoped to become part of a Latin Block inside the Axis Central Powers with the Roman/ Italian Empire and National Spanish Kingdom, others wished to form their own Bourbon block with a new King/Emperor and Spain as their main ally. In the new Fascist French state, Travail, Famille, Patrie – Work Family and Fatherland (Autorité, Fermeté and l'Etat – Autority, Brotherhood and Social Class) replaced Liberté, Égalité and Fraternité.
Others more radical in the new Empire hoped to gain territories in Europe, Africa, Asia and America, not only from the Allied Powers, but from Spain, Italy, the United Netherlands and even Germany too. But no matter the goal of each group, they all agreed with Napoléon VI that to be independent, powerful and influential, the French Empire needed a strong Imperial French Air Force to protect it's cities, industry an infrastructure from allied bomber runs. This together with a strong Armée Impériale Français, with the increasing Légion Imperiale, Phalange Afrisaine (African Phalanx) and Phalange Orientale was the guaranty for Napoléon VI that France would not play a minor role inside the Axis Central Powers , or even worse become a German puppet state like some minor member nations. For all this goals, Emperor Napoléon VI needed bigger internal political support and the bet way to do so in his opinion, was for him and Supreme Commander Philippine Pétain, to present some victories. To do so they raided underground compounds of illegal socialist and communist groups, resistance or Burgundian Order supporters and other enemies of the new state.
This allowed Emperor Napoléon VI to archive some greater independence from Germany. Became Emperor Napoléon VI and Supreme Commaner Pétain used volunteers convicted, criminals and reservists to build up a Atlantic Coastal Wall, he was allowed to pay less for the Imperial German Army stationed in parts of the French Empire to have more money and resources to build better infrastructure, fortifications and force to defend the Atlantic and later even the Mediterranean Coasts. This way the French Empire gained more autonomy, but the Axis Central Powers (mostly Germany and Italy) could also rely mostly on French Forces and use their own armies in the east to support the Russian Empire against the Soviet Union. While Emperor Napoléon VI's French Empire wasn't the strongest member of the Axis Central Powers and clearly behind members such as Germany and Austria-Hungary, it was on pair with Italy and way stronger then the still from the Civil War recovering Spain, or it's Allied rival Free France. But ultimately Emperor Napoléon VI aimed to make his French Empire a major member of the Axis Central Powers and a global power on pair with the German or British Empire in Europe and the rest of the world. A dream on pair with Emperor Napoléon I and also a dream Emperor Napoléon VI would partly archive until his death in 1997, when his son Charles Marie Jérôme Victor Napoléon would become Emperor Napoléon VII.
The National Monarchism that had formed in the French Empire was known as Napoléonism, because of Louis Jérôme Victor Emmanuel Léopold Marie, better known as Emperor Napoléon VI of the Bonaparte dynasty upon the Imperial throne of France. It's roods were Sorelianism, Bonapartism like it was under the Second French Empire, before the Second Republic and partly even the Bourbon Restoration as a constitutional national monarchy. Supported by the French Nationale Royalists, the Mouvement Franciste, the National Monarchiste Popular Party, the Socialiste Revolutionary Movement, the French National-Collectivit Party and the French League, a well a National Monarchists, Fascist Royalists and old Aristocratic families they formed the power base for the new monarchic state. The French Parliament (French: Parlement français), the Senate (Sénat) and the National Assembly (Assemblée nationale) were dominated by parties and groups that had different opinions on France's future then Emperor Napoléon himself. Luckily the Emperor had a ally in Supreme Commander Philippine Pétain, as well as some of the new Counts (Comte), Dukes (Duc) or Barons (some aristocrats, others fascists and nationalists) that started to rule the Departments and their subdivisions. While this groups openly supported to fight alongside the German Empire and the rest of the Axis Central Powers, Napoléon VI and his supporters had their own visions for France Future. Some of them did not wish to fight the allies, others hoped to at least remain a equal power besides the Empires of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Some hoped to become part of a Latin Block inside the Axis Central Powers with the Roman/ Italian Empire and National Spanish Kingdom, others wished to form their own Bourbon block with a new King/Emperor and Spain as their main ally. In the new Fascist French state, Travail, Famille, Patrie – Work Family and Fatherland (Autorité, Fermeté and l'Etat – Autority, Brotherhood and Social Class) replaced Liberté, Égalité and Fraternité.
Others more radical in the new Empire hoped to gain territories in Europe, Africa, Asia and America, not only from the Allied Powers, but from Spain, Italy, the United Netherlands and even Germany too. But no matter the goal of each group, they all agreed with Napoléon VI that to be independent, powerful and influential, the French Empire needed a strong Imperial French Air Force to protect it's cities, industry an infrastructure from allied bomber runs. This together with a strong Armée Impériale Français, with the increasing Légion Imperiale, Phalange Afrisaine (African Phalanx) and Phalange Orientale was the guaranty for Napoléon VI that France would not play a minor role inside the Axis Central Powers , or even worse become a German puppet state like some minor member nations. For all this goals, Emperor Napoléon VI needed bigger internal political support and the bet way to do so in his opinion, was for him and Supreme Commander Philippine Pétain, to present some victories. To do so they raided underground compounds of illegal socialist and communist groups, resistance or Burgundian Order supporters and other enemies of the new state.
This allowed Emperor Napoléon VI to archive some greater independence from Germany. Became Emperor Napoléon VI and Supreme Commaner Pétain used volunteers convicted, criminals and reservists to build up a Atlantic Coastal Wall, he was allowed to pay less for the Imperial German Army stationed in parts of the French Empire to have more money and resources to build better infrastructure, fortifications and force to defend the Atlantic and later even the Mediterranean Coasts. This way the French Empire gained more autonomy, but the Axis Central Powers (mostly Germany and Italy) could also rely mostly on French Forces and use their own armies in the east to support the Russian Empire against the Soviet Union. While Emperor Napoléon VI's French Empire wasn't the strongest member of the Axis Central Powers and clearly behind members such as Germany and Austria-Hungary, it was on pair with Italy and way stronger then the still from the Civil War recovering Spain, or it's Allied rival Free France. But ultimately Emperor Napoléon VI aimed to make his French Empire a major member of the Axis Central Powers and a global power on pair with the German or British Empire in Europe and the rest of the world. A dream on pair with Emperor Napoléon I and also a dream Emperor Napoléon VI would partly archive until his death in 1997, when his son Charles Marie Jérôme Victor Napoléon would become Emperor Napoléon VII.
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A manageable Britain. It’s a satire about a fascist Gorbachev but in the earlier pages a Co prosperity king, maneuvers behind the curtain.
The Soviets are still in the war, even if it looks bad for them, so anything can still happen.
;DWell the USA is no monarchy yet TTL, but National Monarchism/ Fascist Royalism overall is a blending of Monarchist and ultra Nationalist ideals and political ambitions for the most part with many ideological differencies in between each variation of them. The american version of it is inspired by the US Monarchist ideas, the KKK, Huey Long, Fritz Julius Kuhn and/ or other radikal politicians and their authoritarian ideas.
I don't see monarchists becoming more than a fringe movement (and MAYBE having some success... for a fringe movement). Even after a white peace with the SOC and ACP.
The very fact their enemies are all proud monarchies will even drive the majority of US citizens further against it (if possible).
The very fact their enemies are all proud monarchies will even drive the majority of US citizens further against it (if possible).
No not in all of the US, but in a few states after a Second Civil War when the war is lost and the economy is going down by the debt spiraling out of control.
The US will have a second Civil War ? Honestly it may be implausible as the US are one of the most politically stable and resilient countries in the world, so it would need something as bad as the Great Depression or even worse...
The allies will not win the war and many will not be able to repay the US, not to mention their own investions in their own military. Many soldiers will return home feeling undefeated, but betrayed by the government who chosed peace, while they were ready to fight on (not a outright Dolchstoß-Legend, but close), this together with growing internal tensions and ACP and Comintern support for many radical groups, together with other things will cause a bigger collaps.