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Chapter Four: A Tragic Comedy

Justinian

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The Situation in South Africa:
By April to May 1993, Marthinus Van Schalkwyk and Thabo Mbeki, the co-leaders of the provisional administration of the self styled Free Republic of South Africa, which in reality was mostly centered in Cape Town and some affiliated areas. Had finally managed to get the radical ANC to come to a general cooperation and ceasefire agreement. The latter's lack of actual weapons, other than small arms, and only minor Soviet support reduced their momentum significantly. They maintained their separate organization, while stockpiling and smuggling as many weapons as possible. The Free Republic of South Africa announced that not only would multiparty elections be held on the earliest opportunity, that apartheid was now null and void, and that the National Front Led Government was no longer legitimate, as it had violated the South African constitution. The pretenders in the east of the country would immediately lay down their arms and submit to elections. The National Front 'Junta' Government, centered in Pretoria, denounced these claims immediately, calling the Cape Town government a United States and Soviet front, and a simple attempt to steal South Africa's natural resources. However the formation of a rival government began to cost them the limited political legitimacy that they already had, requiring a new strategy, lest they be at complete odds with the world.

They announced that instead they intended normalize the situation of the 'Africans' in the long term, but also stated that were unequivocally defending the right of self determination, especially in the Afrikaaner states of the east. However they still had the loyalty of many of the British settlers in the west of the country. In the previous weeks and months, nearly all of South Africa's heavy weapons, aircraft and WMDs had been moved by train, truck or airlift in anticipation of growing unrest, as well as the conspiring of enemy political forces in Capetown. When the Capetown garrison refused to enforce martial law, nor the police to extend the state of emergency, the National Front and Junta immediately realized what was happening. They focused on fortifying an 'Orange Line', as a fallback line, as well maintaining garrisons in their sympathic areas. While small detachments of military police, soldiers and paramilitaries "consolidated" behind the orange line. These 'consolidations' resulting in streams of thousands of Black South Africans being forced to leave their homes and flooding to the west. The Junta decided that if they couldn't hold the entire country, they could at least maintain strategic depth and the possibility of succession to leverage against the liberals.

It was becoming extremely clear what the National Front was trying to do, while the term "ethnic cleansing" had not come into modern or popular parlance yet, it seemed as if they were trying to create a white state to politically legitimize themselves. Both Marthinus Van Schalwyk and Thabo Mbeki agreed this couldn't be allowed to happen for several reasons, mainly that fracturing South Africa could lead to political and economic chaos that had been and was being currently seen in other places in Africa. It would weaken the image of their anti Apartheit stance and lead to unrest in their own population, who demanded that something be done about it, especially about the mass tides of refugees. The 'Free Army of South Africa' (FASA) was organized, due to the wide spread association of the the 'South African Self Defence Force' (SADF) with Apartheit and the national front, as well as the leaders of the Junta. The problem the FASA faced was that while several complete units had in fact defected to it, including white and many of the black senior or junior enlisted. However, many of these units didn't have heavy weapons, and if they did, were outdated. However, nearly a hundred thousand volunteers to the free army signed up. So most of the FASA's original SADF units were split up, and turned into training cadres. The Cape Government was recognized by many countries as the legitimate government, including the USSR and USA.

There was a media frenzy in the United States about the conflict, as reports about unrest in the Soviet Union were beginning to grow stale without the striking leaked footage that was featured in late March and Early April. Many in both the United States and Europe, created, in the spirit of the international brigades, a volunteer force. Many of them were idealistic, college students but there were a few soldiers and dedicated enough individuals that an international unit could be formed in Cape Town. It recieved ample donations, which allowed it to hire soldiers and mercenaries to train it. This was extremely positive looking optics wise, and the American President Perot announced that the US would support the efforts of South Africa to keep democracy, fight racism and maintain their territorial integrity. With this, Perot, allowed the CIA and US Special Forces to assist in the training of the FASA and to a lesser extent the international fighters. An outright arms sale was debated in the American house, but generally recieved public support.

With this, the Junta was growingly increasingly isolated. However, in the United States, one figure came to their defence. William Pierce, a noted White Supremacist who had led the 'National Alliance' in the US, the largest Neo-Nazi organization in America. The National Alliance of course did not purport themselves to be Neo-Nazis, but by really any sort of paradigm, were mostly definitely fascistic, hyper nationalist and racist. Pierce saw in the Junta, what many in the far right craved for, a white ethno-state. These were the same people who had mythologized Rhodesia. They argued that the US was promoting "anti white" politics, and trying to destroy the only state in Africa that tolerated whites. He famously on the radio said that if South Africa fell, it would be a "holocaust of whites in Africa".

What could possibly be gained by associating with these kinds of characters, other than universal animosity? But as it became increasingly clear to the National Front government that they couldn't even rely on Israel for support, they accepted (Among others) Pierce's volunteers. Almost 8250 Neo Fascists/Nazis (From both Europe and America) managed to make their way to South Africa, often through chartered ships. The NF Government essentially created a secret land for fighters arrangement and tried to keep this quiet, but also agreed to Pierce's demands, that for their service they be given land, a place to make a community. A lot of these neo-nazis were criminals, veterans or paramiltarists but did have some tangible valuable skills, some possessed American military training, one such was Timothy McVeigh, who after coming home alienated from the Gulf War, had found his home with right-wing radicals. The only reason why the NF would agree to such a likely controversial move was due to the manpower problems they had. They had massive amounts of arms, artillery, aircraft and etc; but they had no one to use them. They also made use of many former Rhodesian volunteers, and many of the whites who lived in what was now Zimbabwe fled to their territory at the promise of land and white rule. At least they could use these radicals for internal security, or train some of them into proper soldiers to use the massive amount of arms just waiting around in depots. The NF was conscripting as much of the population was possible too, but this had it's own problems, as their own economy grinded to a halt. Their territories had to operate on rationed food and smuggling. They still had a good amount of the SADF's navy, which used to work with regimes in China, North Korea, Pakistan or Iran. As they became increasingly desperate for hard currency and goods.

The First Moves:
The Free Army of South Africa did not have many combat ready formations, they had to hire many African mercenaries if they wanted to break through the 'orange line' before the NF had a chance to dig in further. It was believed that if it could be shown that their military circumstances were hopeless early on, they might give up hope on this suicidal struggle and surrender, before the situation escalated. It became clear fairly fast that the NF had no intentions on surrendering, after making agreements with Lesotho's dictator Justin Lekhanya, for mutual support. The FASA organized two nearly brigade sized combat formations, mostly made up of mercenaries, some volunteers, some of their SADF forces and Western advisors. Western intelligence and observation planes, allowed to fly in their airfields, confirmed that the units at Vryburg and Kimberly were at best regiment sized. It was agreed that they would launch Operation Bantu Fury at mid May, on the 12th. It was a complete disaster, the hardened, disciplined units of the Junta's SADF completely and totally routed the FASA's forces, causing severe causalities in what few experienced units they had, and having lost a lot (admittedly replaceable) equipment. This played into the NF's hands, allowing them to demonstrate to their own domestic population that they were the just defenders of their homeland, and only trying to protect themselves from genocide. This narrative was aided by ethnic unrest in the Republic, as the sudden ending of Apartheit resulted in the murder of white farmers, race riots and violence within the cities. The failure of their offensive ensured that the war would go on, and only hardened the resolve of their enemies.
 
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Justinian

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I'd like to know what you guys think, I am handling the topic of a disintegrating South Africa well? Does this seem like a fairly realistic possibility? Just because I know, that immediately, this kind of stuff is going to go in certain directions, I'd like to state unequivocally that despite my own historical view of moral relativism, it would fair to categorize the Apartheit Junta, the Nazis, etc in a classification we could call "the bad guys of history". Racial hate is foolish and destructive. I myself am an Eastern European, who lives in the west. I have absolutely no biases or sympathies for any side in this conflict, but I choose to portray their perspective in war for two reasons. Firstly, action sequences break up what can be droll and dry, especially as we try to cover an entire world that is progressing in a completely different direction from our own in the most realistic way possible. Secondly, the "bad guys of history" are fascinating to read about, there is a reason why this forum is filled with threads about Operation Sealion, or the TNO timeline, or the confederates of America. I wanted to demonstrate and explore the psychological side, of why a soldier may fight on a winning or losing side to the end, why people commit war crimes or etc.

We look at that famous photo from the Yugoslavian Wars of the Serbian nationalist kicking the guy in the head in disgust, I too am disgusted, but I also wonder how does someone get to that point? If any of you are familiar with PTSD, sleep deprivation, and the effects of combat on the human psyche, it is possible to at least imagine the perspective of someone who chased their demons to that point. I'm also referring to regular people, not sociopaths/psychopaths or people with no empathy, who would find such violence easy. In the case of the sociopath for profit, in the case of the psychopath for pleasure. I'd like to hear what your thoughts are on this aspect of 'human nature'.
 
I'd like to know what you guys think, I am handling the topic of a disintegrating South Africa well? Does this seem like a fairly realistic possibility?
I doubt you would have white-moderate ANC front or a one of any significances at that. With a black uprising, the White population is going to targeted which would drive them to back the Junta. Also the NF won't declare Independence as it is easier diplomatically and internally to continue to be the South African government.

Edit: Also the frontline are too clean and conventional. I would suggest having something more like Syria or Bosnia in terms of frontlines.
 
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I'd like to know what you guys think, I am handling the topic of a disintegrating South Africa well? Does this seem like a fairly realistic possibility? Just because I know, that immediately, this kind of stuff is going to go in certain directions, I'd like to state unequivocally that despite my own historical view of moral relativism, it would fair to categorize the Apartheit Junta, the Nazis, etc in a classification we could call "the bad guys of history". Racial hate is foolish and destructive. I myself am an Eastern European, who lives in the west. I have absolutely no biases or sympathies for any side in this conflict, but I choose to portray their perspective in war for two reasons. Firstly, action sequences break up what can be droll and dry, especially as we try to cover an entire world that is progressing in a completely different direction from our own in the most realistic way possible. Secondly, the "bad guys of history" are fascinating to read about, there is a reason why this forum is filled with threads about Operation Sealion, or the TNO timeline, or the confederates of America. I wanted to demonstrate and explore the psychological side, of why a soldier may fight on a winning or losing side to the end, why people commit war crimes or etc.

We look at that famous photo from the Yugoslavian Wars of the Serbian nationalist kicking the guy in the head in disgust, I too am disgusted, but I also wonder how does someone get to that point? If any of you are familiar with PTSD, sleep deprivation, and the effects of combat on the human psyche, it is possible to at least imagine the perspective of someone who chased their demons to that point. I'm also referring to regular people, not sociopaths/psychopaths or people with no empathy, who would find such violence easy. In the case of the sociopath for profit, in the case of the psychopath for pleasure. I'd like to hear what your thoughts are on this aspect of 'human nature'.
I doubt you would have white-moderate ANC front or a one of any significances at that. With a black uprising, the White population is going to targeted which would drive them to back the Junta. Also the NF won't declare Independence as it is easier diplomatically and internally to continue to be the South African government.

Edit: Also the frontline are too clean and conventional. I would suggest having something more like Syria or Bosnia in terms of frontlines.





I think you've done a well enough good job establishing how in these circumstances led to this partition, African politics are frankly extremely complicated so being given a outsiders kind of look of how things have disintegrated to this point is the best.

I do disagree about the whole ''bad guys'' bit of history, rather because I'm European I view it as more a fascinating look at how the endless struggle for power may of turned out, you ask a Frenchman if their a bad guy for killing so many to hold onto Algeria they would likely say no and the turn of the dice (cold war) prevented them from holding onto it. Their is often a lot ugliness you find in people once you question if their territory, way of life ect is questioned much less threatened so yeah I can South African whites try to hold on no matter what to power.


I do tend to agree the lines might seem a bit clean for borders, but that might just be because in this AU their has been a fair amount of mutual ethnic cleansing and riots, ect for years before they reached this point and the Whites are not the only party arguing in good faith..

Granted I think the whites might try to expand Lesotho a bit so their struggling to hold on to power and would be hostile to the ''blacks'' and create a larger buffer between them.
 

Justinian

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I doubt you would have white-moderate ANC front or a one of any significances at that. With a black uprising, the White population is going to targeted which would drive them to back the Junta. Also the NF won't declare Independence as it is easier diplomatically and internally to continue to be the South African government.

Edit: Also the frontline are too clean and conventional. I would suggest having something more like Syria or Bosnia in terms of frontlines.
I was actually thinking about your latter point, I'm probably going to retcon it to throw in more Junta holdouts. My thinking was that once they opened the borders with Namibia, they'd be more focused on retreating, taking anything that literally could be moved to a safe zone and then pushing out from there. But I could easily see military bases, cities, airbases and etc (Like in Syria) holding out on their own. Airbases with hardened aircraft shelters can be turned into literal fortresses. The problem is going to be the petrol in maintaining a significant airlift, as well as their own airframes but I'm going to look further into that aspect.

With your former point, I should elaborate more, it's basically the police, liberals, british ethnics and liberal white population in the Cape State operating under the liberal party, with the most unionist moderate ANC elements, rebelling against military and anti democratic rule. In reality most of the country inside of their control would be probably in complete chaos. I'm going to write more to establish the distinction, and edit the original post. With independence I'm not entirely sure, the original South African government is already under numerous sanctions etc. By declaring independence, keeping essentially the same internal government intact, they're giving themselves at least the argument that they are simply a Boer/Afrikaaner state, that does accept other ethnicities to some degree Africans, and having a mandate from the referendum. "Look, we just want to be left alone but we're the ones under military attack/threat of genocide" But the more I think about it, there are definitely pros and cons, I might put it to a vote.
I think you've done a well enough good job establishing how in these circumstances led to this partition, African politics are frankly extremely complicated so being given a outsiders kind of look of how things have disintegrated to this point is the best.

I do disagree about the whole ''bad guys'' bit of history, rather because I'm European I view it as more a fascinating look at how the endless struggle for power may of turned out, you ask a Frenchman if their a bad guy for killing so many to hold onto Algeria they would likely say no and the turn of the dice (cold war) prevented them from holding onto it. Their is often a lot ugliness you find in people once you question if their territory, way of life ect is questioned much less threatened so yeah I can South African whites try to hold on no matter what to power.
Again I don't want to say that they're necessarily the "bad guys", no one goes around in their head thinking they're a "bad guy". Outside of ridiculous examples of Dirlewanger or the absolute worst of the SS, most sides generally had motives, they weren't acting out of some kind of cartoonish level of malice or spite. That's also why I mention from the warrant officer's perspective, the boer wars, etc. He is not a bad guy in his view, in fact he is a hero to his men, to his country, holding on to on a near individual basis what was supposed to be an observation point from a near battalion sized attack in British/Commonwealth terms should be worth the Victoria Cross or Medal of Honour in America(?). But in the eyes of the world, mainstream liberal or soviet/2nd world/socialist society, they're definitely the 'bad' guys. The latter because of the connotations of Fascism. The other because of the connotations of Racism.
I do tend to agree the lines might seem a bit clean for borders, but that might just be because in this AU their has been a fair amount of mutual ethnic cleansing and riots, ect for years before they reached this point and the Whites are not the only party arguing in good faith..

Granted I think the whites might try to expand Lesotho a bit so their struggling to hold on to power and would be hostile to the ''blacks'' and create a larger buffer between them.
Yeah I think I agree with you about the borders, there would probably be a lot more rioting and ethnic cleansing on the African side too.
 
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Justinian

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Would the National Front/Junta Government of South Africa Declare Independence?​

As the situation in South Africa descends into chaos, multiple factions emerge in the country. The three most powerful being that of the NF/Military Government aligned with far right parties, the other being liberal opposition aligned or operating via coalition with the most moderate ANC/African political groups, and the third being the radical ANC. Faced with the fact they're under heavy sanctions, pressure and etc. Declaring independence through a unilateral referendum, they could claim that they're a new and different state, with a historical legacy of the Boer states. It would give them slightly more legitimacy, better optics in the eyes of the world. They gain the ability to state "we are just trying to be left alone, and are defending ourselves" which may appeal to the more moderate right wing of countries they're trying to rebuild their relationship with, but of course they lose the state recognition that they already had.
 

Adeimantus

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Would the National Front/Junta Government of South Africa Declare Independence?​

As the situation in South Africa descends into chaos, multiple factions emerge in the country. The three most powerful being that of the NF/Military Government aligned with far right parties, the other being liberal opposition aligned or operating via coalition with the most moderate ANC/African political groups, and the third being the radical ANC. Faced with the fact they're under heavy sanctions, pressure and etc. Declaring independence through a unilateral referendum, they could claim that they're a new and different state, with a historical legacy of the Boer states. It would give them slightly more legitimacy, better optics in the eyes of the world. They gain the ability to state "we are just trying to be left alone, and are defending ourselves" which may appeal to the more moderate right wing of countries they're trying to rebuild their relationship with, but of course they lose the state recognition that they already had.
I'm not sure if it would have been the most likely scenario, but it is definitely a possibility that the NF/Military Government would declare independence in and also retreat to the territories of the former Afrikaner republics. This would give them more historical legitimacy than claiming to represent a former British colony who was formally hostile to Afrikaners in the first place. By declaring independence they can also stretch their tenuous moral argument further by saying they're state is an Afrikaner state and not a "white" state, not that this would convince anyone they aren't racists, but they would anyway. They would make Afrikaans the only official language, demoting English etc. and remove British influences. They could even play the various Bantu groups off each other, I think you were hinting this with Lesotho, who are perhaps given territory.

As for the borders you depicted, yes there would be various strongholds on either side, but I think you depicted it fairly well as the front lies exactly on the front of the second Boer war, adding to their legitimacy of "defending the homeland" against British imperialism as the Afrikaners had done in the past.

Edit: Also needless to say I love the stories you have created in you timeline, in the flashpoints you have imagined around the world , especially the POVs and these last updates have been great.
 
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With your former point, I should elaborate more, it's basically the police, liberals, british ethnics and liberal white population in the Cape State operating under the liberal party, with the most unionist moderate ANC elements, rebelling against military and anti democratic rule.
My point still stands in that regards. Since the black population here did raise up and quite successfully. There will be retribution against the white population which is going to drive to them to support the junta. Whites are in a position comparable to that of the Alawites of Syria where the threat of genocide and ethnic cleansing will led to them backing the status quo.


With independence I'm not entirely sure, the original South African government is already under numerous sanctions etc. By declaring independence, keeping essentially the same internal government intact,
Yes but independence won’t be recognized nor will the sanctions be stopped in any case . So why become an unrecognized nation with even less access to overseas resources and diplomacy?
 
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Justinian

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My point still stands in that regards. Since the black population here did raise up and quite successfully. There will be retribution against the white population which is going to drive to them to support the junta. Whites are in a position comparable to that of the Alawites of Syria where the threat of genocide and ethnic cleansing will led to them backing the status quo.
Absolutely, and your point stands in the countryside. My thoughts are that at least in Capetown, which was more way more liberal, supported the end of apartheit in general and was much more English and english speaking. While the chaos goes on in the countryside, the general rural white population goes with the Junta for the reasons you mentioned. But in Capetown, where there was originally no riot, and the liberal/business elite, already angry at sanctions, and we cannot forget, provoked/funded/organized by the CIA and Western Intelligence services. Capetown essentially becomes a city state, maintains it's law and order, it's garrison and a few of the outlying units which I referred to as defecting as the beginning, coordinate with this 'city state' that is quite separated from the violence.

No matter what, there were always going to be business concerns who just wanted the sanctions removed, political pro cosmopolitan elements and the simple fact that the NF/Junta has alienated a lot of people by working with the AWB. If we go with the Syria metaphor, these are the western supported "moderate opposition" FSA defected types, swearing artificial allegiance to the "Syrian National Council" while de facto operating a separate military command. As we have seen in Syria, that moderate opposition, that denounced sectarianism, seemed to evaporate fairly quickly. It really just depends how long or if Capetown and the areas associated with it or like it can maintain themselves, or fall under complete black rule, which would result most likely in ethnic retribution, which would turn this into a full blown race war. I'd think that the Americans would throw money and intelligence resources at preventing that from happening, but as I said I generally do agree with you, but it would be a process, and again a question if Capetown maintains itself.
Yes but independence won’t be recognized nor will the sanctions be stopped in any case . So why become an unrecognized nation with even less access to overseas resources and diplomacy?
That is the best counter argument, in fact it may go just along the lines of a simple name change/declaration. My thoughts were that independence and the painting of a Afrikanner state, would be the Junta's best bet to try and appeal to right wing moderates. Adeimantus explains it pretty well. I think I might change it up, with just a name change first, and a unilateral independence declaration if that fails to work.
 
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South of Lesotho, I think the Cape government wants to retain Durban. While Durban could be retained as an enclave but the bantustan of Ciskei should be merged into the bantustan of Transkei and Transkei would be enlarged which would gain much of the farm lands. If possible Lesotho would be enlarged too. The southern half of Namibia can also be retained. The whites need to co-opt the Coloured and Indian community into supporting them and give them equal rights. To prevent international sanction blacks amounting to about ~25% of the citizenry (whites,coloured and indians should be ~75%) should be given full rights to the rest can be given Transkei citizenship or sent across the border. Loyalist Boputhswana if now propped up can take a lot of people to. It will have a considerable GDP per capita and if it stabilizes, it has immense potential for growth(highly educated populate with cheap labour).
The eastern black ruled country needs to consolidate while it still can otherwise collapse is imminent. The eastern government's conquest of the west would probably be irredentist as most of the ANC support came from the Bantu regions which they already hold.
The ANC till now rode on a momentum, they were never a real military threat. The apartheid forces could respond with immense military might. I don't see the orange line being broken but rather whites east of the line moving west. Now that the ANC controls territory it would soon fall into chaos. The blacks were kept out of the administration completely and the remarkably successful transition OTL had prevented a complete collapse. As soon as the whites leave the bureaucracy and administration falls. Even with the peaceful transition many ANC radicals wanted revenge here the situation is even more radical. It is here that Nelson Mandela had a massive moderating influence, without him it was the most likely outcome. I expect the whites to leave en masse and the eastern region falling into anarchy and tribal conflict at worst and a Zimbabwe style situation at best and the former is most likely as in Zimbabwe too there was a relatively peaceful transfer of power. It would take at best a decade of semi stability to re-establish a decent administration.
With the South African theatre being kind of over the cold war in Africa would probably shift to Central Africa. In the long run however the Cape Republic or whatever it's called would be a major economic player in Africa.
 

Adeimantus

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South of Lesotho, I think the Cape government wants to retain Durban. While Durban could be retained as an enclave but the bantustan of Ciskei should be merged into the bantustan of Transkei and Transkei would be enlarged which would gain much of the farm lands. If possible Lesotho would be enlarged too. The southern half of Namibia can also be retained. The whites need to co-opt the Coloured and Indian community into supporting them and give them equal rights. To prevent international sanction blacks amounting to about ~25% of the citizenry (whites,coloured and indians should be ~75%) should be given full rights to the rest can be given Transkei citizenship or sent across the border. Loyalist Boputhswana if now propped up can take a lot of people to. It will have a considerable GDP per capita and if it stabilizes, it has immense potential for growth(highly educated populate with cheap labour).
The eastern black ruled country needs to consolidate while it still can otherwise collapse is imminent. The eastern government's conquest of the west would probably be irredentist as most of the ANC support came from the Bantu regions which they already hold.
The ANC till now rode on a momentum, they were never a real military threat. The apartheid forces could respond with immense military might. I don't see the orange line being broken but rather whites east of the line moving west. Now that the ANC controls territory it would soon fall into chaos. The blacks were kept out of the administration completely and the remarkably successful transition OTL had prevented a complete collapse. As soon as the whites leave the bureaucracy and administration falls. Even with the peaceful transition many ANC radicals wanted revenge here the situation is even more radical. It is here that Nelson Mandela had a massive moderating influence, without him it was the most likely outcome. I expect the whites to leave en masse and the eastern region falling into anarchy and tribal conflict at worst and a Zimbabwe style situation at best and the former is most likely as in Zimbabwe too there was a relatively peaceful transfer of power. It would take at best a decade of semi stability to re-establish a decent administration.
With the South African theatre being kind of over the cold war in Africa would probably shift to Central Africa. In the long run however the Cape Republic or whatever it's called would be a major economic player in Africa.
I agree completely about the likely collapse into anarchy of the ANC run lands and the military advantage the apartheid government holds, but it is the ANC who controls the West/Cape and the Whites who control the East. With regards to collapse of the ANC territory I think there would be a thin line between the moderating influence of outsiders supporting law and order and the radical elements of the ANC. I dont know enough about SA politics to comment on this though.
 

Justinian

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I fixed up the South Africa update, to better reflect what was discussed. The Junta initially attempts to maintain it's role as the government of South Africa, but begins to emphasize Afrikaaner/Boer nationalism.
 
Chapter Four: A Tragic Comedy

Justinian

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Pressing Concerns:
General Secretary Romanov, was above all, a pragmatic, realistic man. He wasn't inherently biased towards any side, but he did generally believe the science of Marxist-Leninism. After all, why shouldn't he? Didn't Socialism turn his country from a backwards tsardom, losing wars against Japan and trying awkwardly to imitating the west, to being a superpower with the technological capability to traverse the stars. The technology that he had at his disposal, was completely beyond the imagining or comprehension of the generation beginning to die out, those born in the 1880s and 1890s. He could scarcely understand these computers himself, and had to have a young technical staff, many of them promising women he personally elevated out of Moscow State University to help him use the damn things. Now apparently there was some kind of "internet" emerging in the US. He laughed when he heard about it, finally, the west had to copy the Russians, thanks to the aid of Socialism and his own personal leadership. Presently, he was in the Chairman of the Committee for State Security's office, but he was looking at the prominent portrait of himself hanging in the office. What a man, to have turned this country around, to have corrected the errors of Brezhnev and to bring the world, every day another step closer to the communist Utopia as promised by Lenin and Marx. Vladimir Kryuchkov came back into his office, and sat down at his opulent desk, drinking a coffee. A luxury we never used to have, until I fixed this country. "Well Comrade Romanov, we have finally passed the worst of the storm. What men and supposedly women were foolish enough to chase these wild dreams, have fled into the mountains and are completely sorrounded, but I'm sure you know this already. We've eliminated most of the armed groups and have discovered their tradecraft. We know that there is dissent in the Baltics and Ukraine, but it's nothing serious. You really did seem to take a lot of bite out of their dogma by legitimizing their so called languages."

Kryuchkov pressed a button on his desk's intercom "Please bring in our evidence, Vadim" As Romanov continued thinking about how great he was, the sound of a heavy object being dropped on the desk interrupted him. "Be careful Vadim, what is wrong with you?!" "Sorry Sir!" "Get the fuck out of here!" Romanov looked, it was like a small suitcase. Kryuchkov opened it up, "It is a satellite phone, apparently it can be used to stage phone calls from anywhere, without having to use phone lines." Romanov understood, this wasn't complicated and spoke "So the Americans smuggled these into our country, used them to coordinate and organize these idiot cyka and tried to subsequently remove them all out?" Kryuchkov replied "You have it exactly right, however I wouldn't blame the current president, some of these phones and organizations go back years, I imagine to the Bush and Reagan administrations. Seems like they didn't like you Comrade." "I bet they didn't imagine how fast some of these people would sell them out? Romanov laughed, several groups, one in the Ukraine, immediately contacted the KGB when approached by the CIA. Because of their betrayal, an actual CIA agent was captured, with a false identity, fake papers and a job and everything. Romanov rewarded them for their loyalty of course.

"We could have easily had this conversation on the phone Comrade Kryuchkov, as I'm sure we're taking proper countermeasures to these kinds of technologies now." Romanov looked at him in the eyes, something he did either when he was in a good mood, a bad one or particularly serious. "That is indeed true, Comrade Romanov" Kryuchkov shifted slightly in his seat. "You know I respect you Kryuchkov, you're good at your job and get results. You're a realist, like myself." Kryuchkov nodded at what was intended to be a compliment. "Should I forgive this slight by the Americans? Of course I could reveal it, I don't think it will net me any tangible political results other than perhaps the Europeans, and what use are they? I think we stomach it, as disheartening as it will be to your organization, I want you to assuage them and comfort them, and make the key leaders understand why we are playing it this way. The resources we save now by avoiding more arms race nonsense, will go to tangible, real historical victories, I am working on our new space station, I am working to get us to the moon. These are the accomplishments that will demonstrate to the world the superiority of Marxist-Leninism and legitimize us to our population."

Kryuchkov thought to himself 'And your personal legacy of course.' but with men like Kryuchkov, it is seldom thoughts that see the light of day as conversation. "You know you already have the hardliners pissed, with your language policies, and now you'll let the Americans get away with this? You could be creating a real political problem. It's not unmanageable of course, nothing ever is with our organization. However, I want to make it known I agree with you, foreign policy wise. Be it economic investment or propaganda in space, the money is better spent on productive avenues, not on trying to initiate guerilla warfare in America!" Romanov stood up first, waiting for Kryuchkov to stand up before he started speaking. "We can throw them a bone of course, lets get something going in West Germany, maybe in Northern Ireland. I've always loved the enthusiasm of the RAF myself. The Stasi would love to be let off the leash with that. Oh, and see what that Junta would take to get those records burnt, the last thing I need is another fucking scandal." "Of course Comrade General Secretary, I will personally see to it" "Always a pleasure Comrade Kryuchkov."
 
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He may be arrogant but got too respect a man who can bite that tounge and look to the future and bigger things then a bit of propaganda and more importantly justification. Also Romano anti arms race? So I have a funny feeling I am really going to like how this timeline develops personal opinion will be that his arrogance in the domestic circuit is why his reign will ultimately start cracking
 
Then the all mighty Vladimir putting can swoop in on his bear and get the union on track before it completely crumbles to the ground and transform it in too the utopia its meant to be/s
 

Adeimantus

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Excellent update. May the inevitable triumph of Grigory Romanov Thought come soon! ;) I genuinely love the personality you have created, although he doesn't look to be as astute as Putin or Xi which will make for an interesting few years ahead. The space race seems equally fascinating, soviet and american moonbases would be fun.
 

Justinian

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Wearing the crown all day every day effects people in many different ways, Romanov is definitely this bright, ambitious man, but he's also 70 and he indulges two vices, that exceedingly compliment each other, the bottle and his pride. But he has a keen eye for politics both domestic and foreign. Keeps his well treated, yet still subordinate allies close, keeps an eye on their subordinates. With one word or even a nod, he can advance someone's career ten years. Kryuchkov running the KGB, without strong party supervision is a dangerous element, but what is more dangerous to him, being nearly the same age as Romanov, and having Romanov leverage the growing star of Putin against him. He puts younger men and women into the Politburo, that are completely and definitively his creatures.

But I don't want to make him some kind of OP, reincarnation of Napoleon or Bismarck either. He kind of reminds me a little of a Philip the Second, of Macedon, he's wildin, he has a taste for the good things in life, but when it comes down to it he can lead, make decisions, reform and operate on a high level.

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Also to note, I just wanted to infer with the last post that they took the policy to legitimize the Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Estonian and to lesser extent Latvian language. Allowing for it to be taught in schools, no longer disposing of their literature. Instead, he proposed a bilingualist approach, Russian as a catch all, and regional dialects still being accepted, even at the lower adminstrative level, but all paperwork would have to be translated into Russian. Why? Russification was something that the Tsar's demanded, and the Soviets continued for various reasons. Some argue because of Russian nationalism, others that they were just trying to simplify the administration and have a common language. There is no doubt a common language, and now that there are better run adminstrative systems and actual photo copiers, it becomes easier to allow for bilingualism.
 
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Chapter Four: A Tragic Comedy

Justinian

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Consternation and Cooperation:
To say the election of the first independent American president since George Washington was a shake up of American politics is almost a humorous understatement. Ross Perot was enormously popular in America, he had shown himself to be this reasonable figure, clean of politics by the numbers and his calm and reasonable demeanor gave him much acclaim as he did interviews with talk shows, journalists and etc. For some Republicans, they could have easily considered him a Republican at heart. For some Democrats, he was a rational factor that could do much to help move political gridlock in America. They also had the benefit of holding the vice presidency. For the rest in each party, he was a hated enemy, the worse thing to happen to American politics since whatever partisan event they could think of at that given moment. He was a threat to the two party establishment, to the cynical members of the DNC and RNC, strategic political thinking dictated that they undermine him. But they couldn't do it overtly, as many of their own politicians were supportive of him, and if perceived to be blocking the mandate of the presidency, would be perceived as near sacrilegious by the general population, weakening the hold of the two parties. The latter proposition was unacceptable, especially as rumors of Perot organizing his own party for the midterms abounded. A slight political ceasefire was in effect, at least in the House of Representatives. The Senate was a different story all together, but Al Gore's sometimes crucial vote was dictated by the aforementioned dynamic. He also personally liked Ross Perot, and found him to be a pleasant and honest man. As Perot began assuming the presidency, glad-handing with Bush Senior and having several discussions with him prior to his swearing in.

Once he was, it took him almost a month to get acclimated to the office, as he had no political experience, a mixed cabinet of Democrats and Republicans as well as independents. He was on a constant diet of aspirin and constant aggravation from the various federal agencies. He almost instantaneously axed the CIAs efforts to perpetuate terrorism, and despite opposition in the political sphere made it clear that he wanted to focus on repairing the American economy and focus on promoting technological innovation. He would famously state in his inaugural speech that "America has continued to look outward at the politics in other countries, wasting our young men's lives and our taxpayer's wealth on these adventures. The United States needs to focus on it's own issues, it's own economy and it's own middle class, which is in peril. This is the great war effort that we must undertake, fighting to make sure that good American people have jobs, have homes and have opportunity" Later in his speech he would of course say "That is not to say that I am an isolationist, or we will not ignore the plight of the oppressed peoples of the world, or the danger that communism poses to our way of life, but there is a fine line. With the support of the American people, I am absolutely sure we will fix these issues together, not allowing partisan nonsense to get in the way, and make our country prosperous again!"

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Making America prosperous again was not an impossible task, but Perot faced difficulties at every turn. The United States Military needed every single multi billion dollar project, lest it would be Red Dawn II: The Commies Strike Back, all over again. When the Republicans and Democrats had finally thought they made him see reason, he came in and demanded a full audit of the Pentagon's expensive projects and spending. The CIA, NSA and FBI were brought in to explain why this was a massive counter intelligence risk, but Perot would not be dissuaded. He said he would make it happen via executive order, or push it through the house, where the American people could determine the case, and remember it when it came time for the midterms. The bureaucrats and politicians in the room with him were shocked for a brief moment, they didn't expect this, to be outmoded by someone with no experience.

This hardened the parties cores against him, but Perot became very skilled at leveraging his popularity, reinforced by his constant television appearances, calm and soft spoken explanations of his policies and the massive array of celebrities that supported him. After some wrangling with the republicans, he managed to get a mandatory gun purchasing background check bill passed, but couldn't get much else of any legislative note passed. He managed to get around these failures, but his constant tinkering with the budget and his dynamic replacement of federal appointments until he could get one that would go along with his ideas. He always had trouble passing his budgets, but figured out how to double deal each party concessions until they'd agree. His main contributions were slimming down the defence budget, making slight reductions to the social security system and using excess funds to subsidize industry and natural resource development in the US. In late 1993, with bi-partisan support, by using the rhetoric of avoiding putting cash in the hands of hostile regimes and communists, managed to pass another bill meant to encourage the further development of the US's own petroleum resources, and even opened some parts of Alaska to exploitation. While this did hurt his reputation with the environmentalists, they were a minimal federal political force in the US in the early 1990s. This of course initially caused the price of gas to rise, by 5-8 cents, in speculation, but no one wanted to complain or fill their car's gas tanks with commie gas. (Thanks for that one guys, ha)

However, President Perot agreed to meet General Secretary Romanov, of the Soviet Union, for a general conference, on cooperation and arms control. This meeting was scheduled to be in Zurich in 1994. It would be the first time a president of the United States, would meet Romanov since the mid 1980s.
 
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Developments in India
(Thanks to Rajveer Naha for helping me make this post)
Rajiv Gandhi had narrowly avoided an attempt on his life on the 21st of May in 1991, which delayed the first rounds of polling in several Indian states. But boosted his own personal popularity, the popularity of the INC, that it managed to win 228 seats, despite projections of a worse showing in the elections caused by allegations of corruption. Within the INC, it was suggested that Rajiv stand down in favor of Pranab Mukherjee, to give it a better electoral chance. However, Rajiv put his own personal ambitions first, and considered that if he was to give up the position of head of the INC now, what guarantee did he have to get it back, despite his influence? He knew that overall, the corruption scandal was fading, especially as media outlets in India that were pro INC were now pushing the narrative that these allegations were overblown. So even if a coalition government collapsed, he could stand do better in the next election. However, as the election finished and it became clear that the INC did not have enough seats to pass legislation, not wanting to risk an immediate reelection, which wouldn't give him time to reconsolidate his own position, Rajiv, offered numerous concessions to the JD party, causing it fracture, but not yet formally. He had to curtail many aspects of the promised liberalization of the economy that had become a popular demand by the general population, as well as more fully implement the Mandal Commission Report's recommendations. The Mandal commission report essentially discussed the issue of caste discrimination in India, mandating that some government jobs be reserved for those castes that were socially disadvantaged. This would lead immediately to civil unrest amongst the members of the upper castes, but was mostly manageable by the Indian state authorities.

Rajiv's tenuous position was however bolstered, when he sought and gained a renewal of the Soviet-Indian Friendship Treaty, that offered increased status and recognition for India as well as numerous economic and military ties. Romanov made one of his few rare foreign visits to meet Rajiv in 1991, in an effort to bolster his political position. The fact that the leader of the Soviet Union went to India to meet their Prime Minister, and that the treaty was for the most part created on basis of the two countries being seen as equals, was a massive propaganda victory for Rajiv and an immediate foreign policy gain.

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In the years following Rajiv's position was bolstered by the fracturing of the JD party, increased economic links between the Comecon (Socialist/2nd World) States and the rest of the world through India's increasingly liberalized economy resulted in an economic and financial boom that led to development in India that would see Rajiv regain his originally very popular position with the people. The JD Party's fracturing was inherently inevitable at this point, Maoism's political legitimacy had evaporated other than for a few radical groups, declining political parties or very seldom listened to ideologues. Dengism was considered by most mainstream Marxists to be fascism at worst and state capitalism at best. Marxist Leninism had the most logical consistency, was increasingly attractive, especially to the third world.

Rajiv increasingly worked to erode the corruption allegations that had scarred him in the early 90s, and gradually became politically strong again. There was increased technological cooperation between the Soviet, East German and Czechoslovakian computer industries with the Indian. India had made massive strides in the development of computing technology, including the development of an indigenous supercomputer, created when the US banned the export of it's own. The PARAM 8000, that exceeded the original supercomputer the Indians intended on importing from the US, was 28x more powerful than it. The Eastern Bloc immediately realized the value of this, and deals were struck to include many elements of the PARAM 8000 into the multi-state Elbrus-4I project, meant to be the lynchpin of an EGSVT 2.0 being hotly debated and planned at the Soviet computer science institutes. Aided by this technological cooperation, and the regular shipments of the highest grade western computers, smuggled into East Germany or Yugoslavia and back to the Soviet Union for dissection. It wasn't long until the Indians and Soviets cooperated on a reverse engineered, semi copy of the MS-DOS operating system; and subsequent plans to finally bring Soviet/Eastern Bloc PCs to x86 32bit standard, which was already widespread in the west.

It should be noted that this does in fact demonstrate how somewhat far behind the Soviet Union was in actual computing power, and sophistication. The vast majority of computers used to plan it's economy were built in the 80's, from copied 1970s IBM computers. Microsoft was already getting Windows 95 ready, and Graphics Based Operating systems were already becoming the default in many cases, such as Windows 3.1x or Mac OS. The best personal computers in the Soviet Union, moving out in 1993 and 1994, were still text based and just now coming installed with a MS-DOS equivalent.
 
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