Queen of Five Thousand Days

If they're practically identical, I could see them playing tricks on people like Ambassadors, and sitting at opposite ends of the room so that the diplomats don't know which one to bow to, that sort of thing.
I’m kinda basing the two of them on a pair of twins I grew up with. I almost had it down which one was which and then they’d started lying to me, and then my confidence is shot. To this day I never know which is which.
 
Chapter 17 - In which King Henry FitzRoy is much more excited then King Henry Tudor
“It was during one of Queen Anne’s visits, that things finally came to a head. Once again Prince Henry and Prince Edmund had stripped of their clothes and completely starkers run around as their attendants chased them. As with the previous incidents, Mistress Seymour was able to keep up with Prince Edmund, ensuring that he was Edmund not Henry.

But, Queen Anne knew this could not continue.”
The Tudors: A Real Life Soup Opera​



“Many a suggestion was made on how to keep the boys separate: various Lords offered to open their homes to either of the boys and many suggested that young Prince Henry could be sent to Ludlow to take his place as Prince of Wales. The Ludlow suggestion was the most popular with all but King Henry, the one vote which really mattered.

See, King Henry was really fond of having Prince Henry visit court and carrying around throughout his day. This usually prompted effusive comments of the great resemblance between father and son. [1] And while he could do this with Prince Edmund since the two brothers were identical, it appears that King Henry found the experience less impactful when the son in question was the second spare, not the heir.

And so, King Henry was looking for every excuse to not send Prince Henry south. This is when he received, yet another, request from King Henry FitzRoy for Prince Edmund to visit.”
The Tudors: A Real Life Soup Opera​

[1] And to be fair, except for the hair, King Henry VIII and King Henry IX did really resemble each other.


“It was August of 1534 that FitzRoy was finally granted permission for Prince Edmund to visit. Overjoyed, King Henry FitzRoy arranged a great feast and entertainments to welcome his godson. He would arrange tutors and attendants, a complete household for the young prince, and would place Prince Edmund rooms near his own.”
FitzRoy by Lawrence Dalton​
 
Why I have this feeling that Henry and Edmund will do a switch just before FitzRoy returns to Ireland? (also, if FitzRoy will have children, why not have only daughters and marry one of them to Edmund, I know from a genetic standpoint it is incredibly icky, but it does make sense for the era and have the twins be both kings, besides, it would be a great reference to the fact that Catherine of Medici's daughter married the future Henry IV to tie up dynastic loose ends)
 
I’m all for this, Fitroys are really interesting
Why I have this feeling that Henry and Edmund will do a switch just before FitzRoy returns to Ireland? (also, if FitzRoy will have children, why not have only daughters and marry one of them to Edmund, I know from a genetic standpoint it is incredibly icky, but it does make sense for the era and have the twins be both kings, besides, it would be a great reference to the fact that Catherine of Medici's daughter married the future Henry IV to tie up dynastic loose ends)
Also a nod to the fact Catherine’s 4 sons all together managed to produce 1 short lived daughter. Catherine wants to see her daughter as Queen and if it isn’t in their own right she’ll settle for Queen consort Elizabeth/Anne/Catherine/Madeleine/whatever
 
So, rather than send the eldest away, they've gone for the more novel approach of sending the third-in-line away instead. Unusual, especially given how young the kids still are - if this is August 1535, they are just coming up to their second birthday, if memory serves, but I like it. Hopefully Edmund won't resent having been sent to Ireland... And Catherine will be a good mother figure to him and not resent having a toddler to look after before she's had a child of her own. Looking forward to more. :)
 
Why I have this feeling that Henry and Edmund will do a switch just before FitzRoy returns to Ireland?
They're young enough they can't coordinate a switcheroo. Any further shenanigans will have to wait till they are reunited.

why not have only daughters and marry one of them to Edmund,
Also a nod to the fact Catherine’s 4 sons all together managed to produce 1 short lived daughter. Catherine wants to see her daughter as Queen and if it isn’t in their own right she’ll settle for Queen consort Elizabeth/Anne/Catherine/Madeleine/whatever
You'll just have to wait and see :)
 
Chapter 18 - In which nothing goes as James would like
“Late in the year fifteen thirty-seven, Queen Madeliene of Scotland would give birth to a daughter, Margaret Stewart. While the child would prove healthy, the Queen would be stricken with childbed fever and pass away four days later.

The King was suitably distraught and would essentially retire from the public eye, devoting his time to his daughter. After several months he would return to court, though would see fit to keep his daughter close throughout the rest of his life.

After some suggestions from counselors, King James would agree to remarry.”
James V by Nathan Brederick​


“Cristina of Denmark, the Dowager Duchess of Milan, would marry the widowed King of Scotland towards the later end of 1540. They would shortly be blessed with a son named John.”
16th Century Europe: Everything That Happened by Irene Carter​


“1542 was a crazy year for Scotland. It started with Queen Christina expecting her second child and ambassadors from both England and France with petitions for betrothals for the young Scotland’s princess as well as offering their own princesses for the young heir.

But things really got going when King James went for a hunt. His horse would be spooked, and he would be thrown from the saddle. Initially, no one worried. He immediately remounted his horse and continued the hunt. It was later that day when he began to slur his words that people worried. And the next day when he, still breathing, would not wake, people panicked.

Queen Christina was the first to act. She would take a carriage to go visit the young Prince John [1] to ensure that if anything…. permanent happened she would have custody of her son. This ticked off a couple of the Scottish Lords.

The English delegation capitalized on that enmity offering support for a native regency if the worse were to happen. Assuring this while sending word south to the nearest English garrison.

The French ambassador chose the tactic of declaring his belief that King James would shortly wake and would be very disappointed in how everyone handled things. He was proven wrong when King James died four days after his accident.”
The Tudors: A Real Life Soup Opera​

[1] Prince John had a separate household away from court. In contrast his sister Princess Margaret resided at court. And her rooms were closer to King James than Queen Christina’s rooms.
 
Oh Lord. James never can catch a break, can he? But still, Christina as Regent of Scotland for her baby son? She's going to be brilliant...even if that last note about Margaret's rooms being closer to her father's than Christina's were suggest she and James didn't have the happiest of marriages. Also, Francis has lost a daughter? He's really not having the easiest couple of years, is he?
 
Amazing developments in Scotland there. Real soap opera stuff Indeed!

I can Prince John getting married off quickly- unless Margaret Stewart can somehow take the Throne...
 
Amazing developments in Scotland there. Real soap opera stuff Indeed!

I can Prince John getting married off quickly- unless Margaret Stewart can somehow take the Throne...
Well Prince John is 2, so even if he’s betrothed we’re still 12 years away from a legal marriage. Margaret will be a hot commodity especially if she marries before her brother can (when she’s 12 - 18). I can see Henry angling for a match with the Duke of York in hopes Margaret inherits.
 
Ooo so now Christina is regent of Scotland...interesting!
Oh Lord. James never can catch a break, can he? But still, Christina as Regent of Scotland for her baby son? She's going to be brilliant...even if that last note about Margaret's rooms being closer to her father's than Christina's were suggest she and James didn't have the happiest of marriages. Also, Francis has lost a daughter? He's really not having the easiest couple of years, is he?
Well, the regent hasn’t be decided yet.... so just wait and see.
 
In which I collect all the Tiny Tudor challenges
So I decided I wanted to gather all the different timelines that answer the Tiny Tudor challenge in one place. Please let me know if there is one I missed :) I want to read all of them.

The Trees from List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Timelines here on AlternateHistory

On AchiveOfOurOwn

And on Fanfiction.net
 
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So I decided I wanted to gather all the different timelines that answer the Tiny Tudor challenge in one place. Please let me know if there is one I missed :) I want to read all of them.

The Trees from List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Timelines here on AlternateHistory

On AchiveOfOurOwn

And on Fanfiction.net
I did a family tree too before I wrote Sanctioned. I need to finish it one day, but it can be found on this page: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/list-of-alternate-monarchs-and-aristocratic-lineage.389238/page-54#post-20403310.

Other than that, excellent list!
 
Chapter 19 - In which a regent is chosen
“With the death of King James, Queen Christina acted quickly. She would see her son, accompanied by those loyal to her, escorted back to court where he would be crowned King Jon II of Scotland with much pomp and circumstance. And then installed in the King’s quarters.

After that all attention turned to choosing a regent.”
James V by Nathan Brederick​


“All could see that Queen Christina wish to be regent for her son, unfortunately she was handicapped in two ways. Firstly, the Scottish lords just didn’t like her very much, nothing personnel, just they had been very fond of the previous Queen. Secondly, she was pregnant, and this was taking up a bunch of her time. In fact, many factions were dragging on the regent talks so that the final decision would occur after Queen Christina had to take to her chamber.

Mere days before her lying in Queen Christina would switch from campaigning for herself as regent to backing Cardinal Beaton, the Archbishop of St Andrews and the former ambassador to France. This last part appealed to the continental Queen Christina and her hopes that the French would face off against the English if anything were to happen.

Unfortunately it was too little too late.”
Christina of Denmark by Helen Olsen​


“While Queen Christina was attempting to win over various Scottish Lords, the English faction had wooed James Hamilton, Earl of Arran. See, they could get him something he really really wanted: a divorce.

The thing was Arran was married to one Margaret Douglas (not, Margaret Douglas, Niece to Henry VIII and Aunt to little John II, but Margaret Douglas daughter of James Douglas, Earl of Morton) and she was insane. With Henry VIII personally interceding [1] Arran was granted his divorce. He would then remarry Margaret Douglas (The King’s Niece and King’s Aunt, Margaret Douglas).

With this tie to the English Royal Family, and assurances of at least one royal betrothal, the English through their weight behind James Hamilton, Earl of Arran.
The Tudors: A Real Life Soup Opera​

[1] The pope really didn’t want to risk divorce issues with Henry VIII after how the last one turned out.
 
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