The North and South Sudanese were very different people, which is why they split in 2011.Would it not have included south sudan at the time or did Nasser envision giving the south sudanese independence?
The North and South Sudanese were very different people, which is why they split in 2011.Would it not have included south sudan at the time or did Nasser envision giving the south sudanese independence?
The North and South Sudanese were very different people, which is why they split in 2011.
I don't know, but 80% of Northern Sudanese are Arabs and the country predominately practices Islam. I'm pretty sure Nasser's goal was for them to join the Arab Union, but I have no idea if he had any future plans for the South Sudanese. Maybe the whole country would be taken in, maybe the South would've been granted independence.Yes but in Nasser's time they were part of the same nation. What Chris S is asking is why would Nasser have split off South Sudan?
I don't know. 80% of Northern Sudanese are Arabs and the country predominately practices Islam. I'm pretty sure Nasser's goal was for them to join the Arab Union, but I have no idea if he had any future plans for the South Sudanese. Maybe the whole country would be taken in, maybe the South would've been granted independence.
Did you use image search? Usually best to follow the links to see what is said about it. Often times you can find something is just being discussed in part. Maybe the person who did this looked at a bunch of plans various people had made separately? I can see the reasonableness of wanting Malta, but I know a lot of other maps had the zgermans wanting a string of French ports. I also notice the map doesn't have German Samoa or their possessions in China.In that case, Google is a dirty liar.
Excellent, though I imagine the area neither Sudan nor Egypt wanted would go to Sudan here, and the Golan Heights to Syria. Come to think of this, didn't Mauritanian have a third of Western Sahara back then?View attachment 381048
Here we have Nasser's dream of a Pan-Arab nation.
Excellent, though I imagine the area neither Sudan nor Egypt wanted would go to Sudan here, and the Golan Heights to Syria. Come to think of this, didn't Mauritanian have a third of Western Sahara back then?
Ahhhh. I suppose it depends on who is in charge in Morocco for this world. If the Moroccoans were still claiming land from Spain (including all of Spanish Sahara) plus huge chunks of Algeria and Mauritania there might be bad feelings. I think the Moroccans dropped their claims on Mauritania officially when they split up the land. Plus, just might looking up Mauritania, it seems that 30% of Mauritania has the same ethnicity (kinda sorta) with the Sahwari. I am guessing his preference is for the locals to vote in if they are independent or partitioned. It depends on how much power their Senate equivalent would be and if the Gulf States needed to be counterbalanced.Not during Nasser's time. While Nasser was alive it was the Spanish Sahara. It was only from 1975-1979 that Mauritania had control over the southern third of Western Sahara.
i can't tell, but does Syria have Hatay?View attachment 381048
Here we have Nasser's dream of a Pan-Arab nation.
Does anyone have any Soviet Union related maps/proposals?
So far, the only map that I’ve seen here is the SU claims on eastern Turkey.
Wasn't that slated for eventual annexation, though?
Seems like it, actually. At the least, it would be an effective vassal of the German Empire.
Marvelous. This actually has corrected a mistake I made a lot, when I say that the Finno-Karelian SSR was formed as the base to annex Finland later on.
Map of the Finnish Democratic Republic. Had the USSR totally conquered Finland in the Winter War, this shows the territories that would comprise a puppet Finnish state.
OK, that fourth one really stretches the definition of the word Intermarium. Out of curiosity, where did you find that plan?Here are the various proposals for Intermarium, ranging from smallest to largest.
OK, that fourth one really stretches the definition of the word Intermarium.
Here are the various proposals for Intermarium, ranging from smallest to largest.
The United States of the Orient
In 1924 Romanian scientist Octavian C. Tăslăuanu wrote the book "The United States of the Orient". He envisioned the creation of a confederation of Eastern Europe and Asia Minor as a stepping stone to the formation of a United Europe.
The Confederation would be composed out of Italy, Yugoslavia, Greece, Albania, Turkey, Syria, the Transcaucasian States, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland and the Baltic States.
It would have a population of aprox. 164,500,000 inhabitants and a land area of 4,697,200 km2.
The Confederation would have it's own constitution (based on the US constitution).
The head of the confederation would a constitutional monarch.
The legislature would be composed out of a chamber of deputies (1 deputy per 500,000 people) and a senate (1 senator per 5 million people + 1 senator named by each member state)
It would have common central bank (based on the US Federal Reserve), common currency and general staff.
It would have a government composed out of seven ministries ( foreign affairs, defence, finance, trade, communications, justice and cultural affairs.) and
a Chancellor named by the President of the Confederation.
The capital would be Constantinople and the official language French.
Someone make a timeline out of this! A pan-European Intermarium (maybe it could integrate pan-Arab ideas too?) would be so cool!The maximum proposal reminds me of this proposal from the main Map Thread a few years ago. The thread is locked, so I can't quote it directly, so bear with me.