Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

[FancyHat]

And here we have the German Empire's ambitious goals for the first World War. Would easily be the biggest land exchange in history if it actually happened.

I've spent quite some time researching this subject, and I've never heard of the Germans wanting Malta, Indochina or Malaysia, and they definitely didn't plan to annex Poland, Lithuania, or Courland. Additionally, my understanding is that Mittelafrika wasn't intended to be a coherent territory, but rather a zone in which German companies and trade could operate without competition while Belgium, France, etc. would still administer and maintain the colonies.

I suspect this is a map of the German Empire in Kaiserreich rather than an accurate depiction of their plans.

 

[Mr. Bubbles]

I've spent quite some time researching this subject, and I've never heard of the Germans wanting Malta, Indochina or Malaysia, and they definitely didn't plan to annex Poland, Lithuania, or Courland. Additionally, my understanding is that Mittelafrika wasn't intended to be a coherent territory, but rather a zone in which German companies and trade could operate without competition while Belgium, France, etc. would still administer and maintain the colonies.

I suspect this is a map of the German Empire in Kaiserreich rather than an accurate depiction of their plans.

In that case, Google is a dirty liar.

 

[Analytical Engine]

I suspect this is a map of the German Empire in Kaiserreich rather than an accurate depiction of their plans.

Actually, the German Empire in Kaiserreich doesn't contain all of that territory. Though it does include Morocco (which sort of makes sense) and Sri Lanka (which doesn't).

 

[Wendell]

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And here we have the German Empire's ambitious goals for the first World War, with colonies, puppet states, dependencies, an economic sphere, and lots and lots of islands. Would easily be the biggest land exchange in history if it actually happened.

I'm surprised the Philippines aren't shown.

 

[ETGalaxy]

Additionally, my understanding is that Mittelafrika wasn't intended to be a coherent territory, but rather a zone in which German companies and trade could operate without competition while Belgium, France, etc. would still administer and maintain the colonies.

Never heard that before. Do you have any sources? I'd be interested in taking a look if you don't mind.

 

[Mr. Bubbles]

Here is a list of what were potential targets in Japan for atomic weapons and the reasons why.

Kyoto was actually removed from the list by the urging of the Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson, who admired the city, as well as for its historical, religious and cultural significance. That's when Nagasaki was placed on the list of targets.

 

[FancyHat]

Never heard that before. Do you have any sources? I'd be interested in taking a look if you don't mind.

Unfortunately I don't have any sources I can give you, but I've heard it pretty consistently from other people on this forum. I think @MisterP would be able to help with this, though the last time I used a map of his as an example it turned out I'd misunderstood it so I guess take this particular point with a grain of salt. Wikipedia does say that the primary goal Germany had in mind was the Belgian Congo, which was AFAIK the most profitable colony in the region if not Africa in general.

 

[Augenis]

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Here is a list of what were potential targets in Japan for atomic weapons and the reasons why.

Kyoto was actually removed from the list by the urging of the Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson, who admired the city, as well as for its historical, religious and cultural significance. That's when Nagasaki was placed on the list of targets.

A nuclear strike on Yokohama would be like what, 3 kilometers away from Tokyo? Glad we didn't see that happen.

 

[Beedok]

A nuclear strike on Yokohama would be like what, 3 kilometers away from Tokyo? Glad we didn't see that happen.

About 40km I think.

 

[Mr. Bubbles]

About 40km I think.

Would that be visible from Tokyo?

 

[Beedok]

Would that be visible from Tokyo?

Depending on topography. It's 2/3rds the distance that exists between the foreground and background of this pic:

 

[Ivoshafen]

Depending on topography. It's 2/3rds the distance that exists between the foreground and background of this pic:

Could damn near taste it at that range.

 

[Kaiser_Jaeger]

I've spent quite some time researching this subject, and I've never heard of the Germans wanting Malta, Indochina or Malaysia, and they definitely didn't plan to annex Poland, Lithuania, or Courland. Additionally, my understanding is that Mittelafrika wasn't intended to be a coherent territory, but rather a zone in which German companies and trade could operate without competition while Belgium, France, etc. would still administer and maintain the colonies.

I suspect this is a map of the German Empire in Kaiserreich rather than an accurate depiction of their plans.

I thought Courland was part of Ober Ost?

 

[Jasmak]

Japanese goal after Russo Japanese war

 

[Mr. Bubbles]

Here we have Nasser's dream of a Pan-Arab nation.

 

[Chris S]

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Here we have Nasser's dream of a Pan-Arab nation.

Would it not have included south sudan at the time or did Nasser envision giving the south sudanese independence?

 

[FancyHat]

I thought Courland was part of Ober Ost?

It was, but Ober Ost was just an occupation zone. Courland was supposed to be part of the United Baltic Duchy.

 

[Analytical Engine]

It was, but Ober Ost was just an occupation zone. Courland was supposed to be part of the United Baltic Duchy.

Wasn't that slated for eventual annexation, though?

 

[FancyHat]

Wasn't that slated for eventual annexation, though?

Seems like it, actually. At the least, it would be an effective vassal of the German Empire.

 

[Analytical Engine]

Seems like it, actually. At the least, it would be an effective vassal of the German Empire.

For the smaller states of Eastern Europe in such a scenario at least, I doubt there would be much difference between "German puppet" and "German province" for quite some time.