Whoops, thanks for spotting that. All of Zadar is now under Italian control- that was my mistake.
Will change "livre" to lire.
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Will change "livre" to lire.
Glad you like the TL!
Place In the Sun: What If Italy Joined the Central Powers? (1.0)
- Thread starter Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth
- Start date
Well, technically I was thinking of the opposite
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I know that Italy has always dreamed of having Dalmatia in order to dominate the Adriatic Sea but I don't think that Austria-Hungary would have ceded Dalmatia to Italy.
Giving Trieste and Trentino plus the guaranty of access to Albanian Ports would give them the control that they wanted without taking more grounds from A-H. I don't know what you have planned to do but if you want to give Italy Dalmatia it can happen when A-H collapses (it would have happened sooner or later ). Then the Italians would have an excuse to protect this strategic reason. In my option, it is just enough to remove that mention. And Germany could intervene as well to safeguard Germanic territories
But this is your story, so it's up to you to decide.
...and I didn't use a map when I typed that comment!
To clarify: the peninsula on which Trieste is located (which I mistakenly assumed was called Zadar) is under Italian control. Dalmatia is not.
I just mistakenly called the peninsula "Zadar"
I'm about to post a map which should hopefully make things clearer.
To clarify: the peninsula on which Trieste is located (which I mistakenly assumed was called Zadar) is under Italian control. Dalmatia is not.
I just mistakenly called the peninsula "Zadar"
I'm about to post a map which should hopefully make things clearer.
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While I am impressed with the peace conference with a like I really think the Kaiser rubbed it in way too much with the French! Calling them a bunch of cheesemakers. Good grief! I feel so sorry for the French. A little courtesy here might have gone a long way to heal hurts. In this case you have a reverse of the situation in Germany in the 20's and the 30's. I fear you will have a third Napoleon coming to power in France in the 30's or 40's with the goal of erasing French shame.
Yeah, I wanted something really offensive for tactless old Kaiser Wilhelm.
"Erasing national shame" will become a major talking point for politicians in France... after the "just keeping our heads above water" phase ends...
Ok, now I understand. It seemed odd to me that A-H would have given that much territory to Italy. By the way that is the Istria Peninsula....and I didn't use a map when I typed that comment!
To clarify: the peninsula on which Trieste is located (which I mistakenly assumed was called Zadar) is under Italian control. Dalmatia is not.
I just mistakenly called the peninsula "Zadar"
I'm about to post a map which should hopefully make things clearer.
French people be like: huh so we know what it was like when Roman soldiers had to bow beneath a sword to reach safety, at the request of the Samnites.
Wow, you're on the ball! I posted that, what, 30 seconds ago?
I'll go back and fix Istria- thanks for clearing that up.
That's a good analogy.
Nice map! Seems like Italy will have some trouble in its newly acquired colonies and Germany has taken even more stuff
Well technically speaking these territories (apart for British Somalia) were like this in OTL as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Senussi_War
https://omniatlas.com/maps/sub-saharan-africa/19251116/#event-3554
I also think that sooner or later Italy would invade Ethiopia to complete their colony on the horn of Africa. In this TL Italy would consider herself more militarily powerful so it is not that unbelievable that around 1929-1930 they would have decided to invade.
Yeah, that makes sense. They could invade Ethiopia in order to divert some attention from the economy and use the rally 'round the flag effect.
Realistically speaking NO. They have less dead and less destruction than in OTL and I think that they will reform their armed forces now that the war is over. They will have airpower while the Ethiopian won't and if things get very bad they can use chemical weapons like OTL.
I am most interested in the post-war politics of the CP and especially the Social-Democratic Movement.
Would we have German Chancellor Friedrich Ebert? Maybe the SPD get's fed up with the gerrymandered constituencies, which prevent them from winning the election, and order a general strike? The Kaiser gives up and becomes a constitutional monarch, stronger, however, than the British one?
Italian Prime Minister Giacomo Matteoti? Austrian Chancellor Karl Renner?
@Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth, can you please give us some insights?
Would we have German Chancellor Friedrich Ebert? Maybe the SPD get's fed up with the gerrymandered constituencies, which prevent them from winning the election, and order a general strike? The Kaiser gives up and becomes a constitutional monarch, stronger, however, than the British one?
Italian Prime Minister Giacomo Matteoti? Austrian Chancellor Karl Renner?
@Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth, can you please give us some insights?
A general election will be en route in mid-1917, however, the Kaiser's power and prestige have only increased with victory in the war. SPD agitation will happen, and the Kaiser will be forced to make good on the liberal promises he made in OTL 1914... this will have the Conservative Junkers hopping mad.
Social Democrats in Germany and Matteotti-style figures in Italy will do well in the postwar years, despite the right-wing parties comparing them to the Russian far-left.
Austria-Hungary, however, has some rough times ahead. Democratic-socialists candidates won't do well there at all...
Social Democrats in Germany and Matteotti-style figures in Italy will do well in the postwar years, despite the right-wing parties comparing them to the Russian far-left.
Austria-Hungary, however, has some rough times ahead. Democratic-socialists candidates won't do well there at all...
Just caught up on this - a very solid timeline, though the Baltic battle between the Germans and Russians raised a few eyebrows with me. But I'm not inclined to nitpick it.
There is one loose end: Japan. They're nominally still in this war, though practically speaking their ability to do anything to Germany is nonexistent. I don't expect anything more than an offhand mention of a peace treaty ceding Germany's West Pacific holdings.
And then there's the 800-lb gorilla in the room: what does the United States think of all of this? Speaking of, if you need any help on the naval side, let me know, I'm willing to drop a big infodump.
There is one loose end: Japan. They're nominally still in this war, though practically speaking their ability to do anything to Germany is nonexistent. I don't expect anything more than an offhand mention of a peace treaty ceding Germany's West Pacific holdings.
And then there's the 800-lb gorilla in the room: what does the United States think of all of this? Speaking of, if you need any help on the naval side, let me know, I'm willing to drop a big infodump.