Place In the Sun: What If Italy Joined the Central Powers? (1.0)
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I recon Algeria is going to experience much greater levels of immigration ITL. I think a good sized number of French speakers in what is now Germany will want to up sticks to live in France. The French government could easily use this to increase the numbers of French speakers in Algeria to secure their hold there.
It could be fun but I don't see it happening. What I do see happening is France squeezing every once of value out of their remaining colonies to pay back their huge reparation bill to Germany. After a few years of this intolerable extortion (even more so then before the war), I forsee vast rebellions breaking out across the Empire several decades ahead of schedule. If Japan supports it, France is so losing Indochina and if Germany ever feels like expanding Mittelafrika, it really wouldn't take much to plunge West Africa into chaos.
Interesting point, but I have some doubts about that. As a Frenchmen, living under German occupation would be an awful experience. But would relocating to a region under constant tension with angry Islamist radicals and having to deal with persistent terrorist attacks from Algerian rebels really better then the Germans?
If I were living in France after all this went down, I would save my money and just move to Latin America or the Caribbean and damn the empire. From my hypothetical POV, the old world is cursed and France as a coherent nation might not be a reality in the near future.
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Ficboy
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Perhaps you could fix the title a bit. It should read Place In the Sun: What If Italy Joined the Central Powers just like Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War.
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I see that you did what I asked. Thank you. Also just change the signature on your timeline to accurately reflect the new name.
Don't say that, you're just giving fuel to the idea that Germany should make France a geographical construct.
Officially ex-French citizens from the areas annexed by Germany, denied German citizenship, given special rights to resettle in Algeria as Algerian citizens. Since Algeria is treated as part of the French metropole, they're French in all but name, and there should be more than enough to establish a French majority. The Arabs would be SOL, but what's new there in the 1910s?
On another note, what happened in the Balkans? I assume Serbia got divided between the Habsburgs and Bulgaria, but what about Albania? Did Italy manage to annex it? If they did, I kinda wonder just how credible a 'mutilated' victory claim would be, considering Italy's got the lion's share of their ambitions in the Med: Tunisia and Malta gives them control of the Central Mediterranean, Albania turns the Adriatic into an Italian lake, and that's on top of their other gains. Nice, Savoy, Corsica, Trentino, and Trieste...even not having South Tyrol is something most Italians should be willing to live with by this point, given it's German-majority and Italy having just about everything else it could have asked for.
Also, what about Montenegro? Was it also annexed by the Habsburgs, or restored to independence?
Also, what about Montenegro? Was it also annexed by the Habsburgs, or restored to independence?
Oops, forgot about that.
Austro-Hungarian troops have left Albania... only to be replaced with Italian onces. Albania is now an Italian protectorate, and will likely get annexed a few years along the road.
Montenegro is a civilian part of the Austrian portion of the empire.
Bulgaria controls Macedonia, while the rest of Serbia is under Austro-Hungarian military occupation.
Albania: To be expected, Italy has been wanted to either put a personal union or outright annex Albania since the conclusion of the Balkan Wars, I can also see it as an addition, the Albanian protectorate also acquiring Kosovo.
Montenegro: Also likely, though probably ill recommended given Austria-Hungary's already shaky situation with its minorities. Maybe the prestige of being on the winning side may be enough for Karl I (Franz Joseph's successor) to force down reforms. Hungary's not going to like it, but for the sake of preserving the Habsburgs it must be done.
Macedonia: To be expected.
Serbia: Are there any members of the Obrenovic's still around, or is Austria going to go into the well of the past and recreate the Habsburg Kingdom of Serbia?
Based on past updates, Serbia as an independent nation ended once and for all in WWI. I'm guessing in the future of TTL Serbia is either a federal state in a Central European federation, or has been subsumed into a Kingdom of Croatia, in turn a part of a greater Habsburg monarchy.
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The timeline essentially butterflies away both Fascism and Nazism respectively since the Central Powers won World War I. It also means that politics and pop culture will be unrecognizable from its OTL counterparts. Soviet Russia/Soviet Union may or may not survive the aftermath of the conflict assuming if the Red Army does still win over the Whites.
Nazism will not exist ITTL... neither will there be some Russian analogue saying "we must expand to the Elbe/Oder/OTL western border of East Germany and wipe out the Poles/Balts/etc!".
Fascism will still exist in a different incarnation and in different countries.
Far-left ideology will not be butterflied away, but will assume a very different shape to OTL.
I've got some fun ideas for politics and pop culture... but as always, feel free to share yours!
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I doubt that Fascism would ever exist since it originated from Italy who in TTL won World War I as part of the Central Powers thus making Benito Mussolini an obscure figure or if he is prominent in politics he would be a socialist which he used to be in OTL.
World War II if it even happens is going to be completely different in terms of causes and alliances. Plus since there are still many ethnic tensions in Austria-Hungary and Turkey there is the possibility that they could collapse Yugoslavia style in the form of genocide and wars when the alternate Great Depression hits in the 1930s.
Zionism is going to have a harder time creating the State of Israel because of a Central Powers victory. If it ever does occur let alone even happen it will take a long time to have it come to fruition.
You're right- that was poorly phrased on my part. Right-wing, nationalist ideologies similar to fascism will exist ITTL, but they'll go under different names, and Mussolini certainly won't be a prominent figure in them (nor, for that matter, will Hitler).
WWII will be very, very different from OTL. As for A-H and the Ottomans, those are all possibilities...