"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?

Ah gotcha and just looked that movie up...Just astonshing how much US media before (Hi Walter, Hows that Pulitzer doing) and during the war made this...abomination, possible.

Remember this was a time when the Soviet Union was bearing the brunt of the fighting and opinions of the Soviet Union had transformed almost overnight with Barbarossa. Not only were they now American allies fighting for freedom but past controversies were also re-examined so as to stave off any lingering doubts about Stalin. AFAIK the book it was based on was sincere however there was no chance of it getting an adaptation by Hollywood outwith those circumstances.

For an example of American opinions on the Soviet Union at the time, here's Dr Seuss:


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Ah I see, so abit better but not completely scot free... I wonder whose going to avoid the bullet and whose going to get it this time around.

Butterflies act in such a way that Kirov avoids his and the Comintern gets some cool airships out of it.

It'd be interesting to see how Japanese fascism is going to develop without the influence of the Nazis and with the main European fascist nation a direct obstacle in its colonial ambitions.

Poland might be the key between the two given that the Poles have good relations with Japan and although Beck does despise the French the Petain regime is at least more spiritually to his liking. More importantly, imperialist egos ultimately collide on approach and the Poles having ambitions of an empire of their own but not one which overlaps with either aids itself to the anti-comintern pact centering itself around Warsaw.

Nice chapter! It's always interesting, what's happening in a France that has gone Bleu.

Thanks!

And waaait a second. That Senegalese soldier... Could he be, the same one Hitler talked with? A long time ago, when the Red Front was about to start operating in the Ruhr Occupation Zone.

The very same!

Yeah, but he's German by blood. That's something that Hachim (?) will never be. It could be a good tool of division that the German Communists could use.

The context was more a comment on the arbitrary nature of Hitler's worldview at the time. The DAR espouses proletarian internationalism albeit with some shady beliefs in regard to stages of development.

Wow another update and in a day I got off from work early too, certainly shaping up to be a great day!

Thanks!

That chapter was certainly ominous though, and I’m glad we get to see flashes of the maniacal “fuhrer” at times too- kicking and screaming when he doesn’t get his way just to remind us that for all his ideological differences for better or worse, it’s still the same little man under them

I hope the balance is okay, I did start this work focusing almost entirely on Hitler and his bubble but by this stage he isn't really a 'person on the ground' any longer and if it had remained as such the work would've probably just end up being one conference room scene after another.

Of course! After all... "Chaos is a ladder." Has Hitler considered changing to a goatee? It would go along wonderfully, with his Evil Thinking Pose.

No goatee as of yet but his accent has inexplicably become more Irish with every scene.
 
Remember this was a time when the Soviet Union was bearing the brunt of the fighting and opinions of the Soviet Union had transformed almost overnight with Barbarossa. Not only were they now American allies fighting for freedom but past controversies were also re-examined so as to stave off any lingering doubts about Stalin. AFAIK the book it was based on was sincere however there was no chance of it getting an adaptation by Hollywood outwith those circumstances.

For an example of American opinions on the Soviet Union at the time, here's Dr Seuss:



Once upon a time, Saddam Hussein was the kind of man who the city of Detroit gave one of their keys.

Saddam's words to the people of Detroit ("You people remind me home so much.") were less than encouraging.
 
Chapter CXVIV
In the U.S.S.R., violence and deception are official, and humanity is in daily life. In the democracies, on the other hand, the principles are humane, but deception and violence are found in practice. Beyond that, propaganda has a field day.

~ Maurice Merleau-Ponty, Humanism and Terror








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Potsdamer Platz, Berlin; May Day 1934






There were moments in life that Rosa believed she could somehow take photographs with her mind’s eye. She was barely a teenager and the world was coming together around her. Throughout all the fear, something seemed to be happening. The mass of cheering Berliners, workers, like herself, was a warm memory. Yet it was also her present and a journey for the country.



There was a time when May Day was not officially celebrated by the German Republic, indeed attempts by the workers of Berlin to celebrate their own holiday had been viciously beaten down by police and military figures who saw chaos and revolution behind every celebration that emanated from the downtrodden masses.


The revolution of 1918-19 had gravitated the German polity towards its people for the first time and the further reckoning in 1930 had left them with the machinery of state in their hands. That didn’t mean they no longer had to fight to keep a hold of it. Indeed the threats from the outside world were what made sure there was a military element to this May Day. Where the unions marched with their own banners proudly proclaiming their fight for a better life over the years, the members who had served in the People’s Guard were also listed amongst the martyrs who had earlier fallen at the hands of the agents of capital.

The People’s Guard themselves marched in force, parading an organisation drilled into them in the name of intimidation of the enemies of the republic and of the revolution. Marching down Ebertstraße they goose stepped to the beat of the revolutionary songs they had adopted during the civil war, a ghostly reminder of the Reichswehr they had vanquished and absorbed.

They were followed by the armour that had allowed them to secure the French border so quickly whereas up in the sky, the new fighters of the Luftstreitkrafte performed aerobatics over the city. It was a visual crescendo that assaulted the senses to the extent the crowds could be whipped into a frenzy, perhaps that was the intent. Rosa could feel a vivid picture being painted, more than something that could manifest itself as a picture.

The mass panic which had followed the leaking of People’s Guard documents stating the country was helpless if it came to invasion had threatened to bring the nation to a standstill, a moment was needed to revive spirits and the coming of May Day had been opportune. Since 1931 it had been a day in which to celebrate the successes of the ongoing revolution but now revolutionary defence was the agenda. The new world lay ahead but below lay a dark chasm of which there might be no escape.

It was perhaps for this reason the military element of all of this was so crucial, for it gave people a sense of renewed strength as well as an urging to support the measures the leaked report had outlined as necessary, the ones which Comrade Hitler now also urged. Rosa felt her mother’s hands on her shoulders amidst the ceremony and how she squeezed them as the detachment of the People’s Marine marched by. She hadn’t gone into much detail about what she had seen in Hamburg during the civil war, other than that she had witnessed the destruction the Reichsmarine wrought upon the city and anyone who said differently was a liar. Dieter had confirmed that they had been together during the battle, just as the three of them stood together now.

There were of course a large number of silent Germans on this day who scorned the celebrations and could not wait until the beginning of next year, when the United Front would have to hold new elections and the future course of Germany would be up for examination. The new socialist democracy would be judged once again by the old liberal means that had barely facilitated it in 1931. Other, more reactionary, elements awaited salvation from Rome or perhaps now even Paris. Others even less attached to reality perhaps dreamed of taking matters into their own hands.

In a way the more martial elements of the festivities today were a warning for them as well as the potential aggressors which surrounded Germany. Rosa felt a particular wave of pride as the women’s auxiliary units goose stepped by. All who were responsible for upholding the revolution were honoured today and those active within it had their pride of place. She did not always agree with her mother, a street fighter who had become boxed in around the functionality of government, but there was no-one she looked up to more. Rosa only hoped she would soon be able to play her own role, perhaps something more dynamic than land administration.

The formal parade wasn’t over when her mother suggested that they decamp for the Tiergarten where a platform had been assembled for the speeches of the day, most notably those from the Chancellor and the President. Rosa felt a certain amount of esteem in the knowledge that the Chancellor had been a personal colleague of her mother’s, although she could remember a time when her mother seemed to despise being near the man. Dieter would still find ways to mention his own support for Thalmann whenever the former Communist leader would remark on German affairs from his Moscow residence, it seemed like he did it merely to tease her.

The three of them walked hand in hand to the park to get a spot near the podium before too much of a crowd gathered. There were already speeches under way but the audience was thin so they stopped for an ice cream beforehand. The vendor seemed keen for the area to get busier and that the French exile on the stage would shut up so the more famous faces could draw him in more business. It seemed rather shallow given how forlorn the man onstage seemed whilst he told those listening that there would be no May Day celebrations allowed in France this year when before there had been parades in every city. He concluded by asking people to help in any way they could the new French exile organisations being organised in Baden. He concluded with his hopes that one day soon workers in Berlin and Paris would be able to celebrate May Day together again once more without fear of fascist oppression. That had gotten him a cheer and when he gave way to his better known Russian replacement, Nikolai Bukharin, Comrade Doriot was thanked for his earnest assessment of the situation.

Bukharin needed little introduction, the most well known advocate of the United Front from within the Soviet Union was regarded as a friend of the German people even by those on the left who were otherwise wary of Bolshevism.There were far more people around them now and Rosa looked back briefly to see the park was now filling with spectators to see the famous Russian revolutionary. The ice cream vendor would likely be happier now although Rosa still felt annoyed at the man’s attitude. It hadn’t been that long since Berlin’s parks had been filled with people whose bones were as bare as the winter trees, bartering over horse flesh. Now the greenery had returned and airplanes did aerobatics in the blue sky. Some of the people in the crowd would have endured the misery of Berlin under the Third Reich’s brief reign, although it was perhaps different to recognise happy people when previously there had been only cold and starving faces. This progress hadn’t been built on selfishness.

Bukharin had put himself at risk of public denunciations and worse for taking the stance he had on the United Front in 1930 and there had been speculation that in the aftermath of the civil war he might move to Germany, either of his own volition or due to being exiled like Trotsky. He merely remained a frequent visitor however and whilst Trotsky was now a prisoner of Pétain, Bukharin’s defence of Germany had seemed to get more of a hearing in the Soviet Union now that the two countries were cooperating more than ever before. He seemed to allude to this in his speech, stating that for every criticism he had of Stalin’s approach there were several points to which he agreed and that every true socialist should feel the same.

Bukharin stated that it was in Germany, as in the Soviet Union, that a common belief in the mutual betterment of all people through the cooperation of all people had been fostered amongst young and old. His praises of the German worker gained him much applause and he clapped with the crowd, before announcing that the man who would now be speaking had been instrumental in ensuring Germany’s current revolutionary direction, a true friend of the Soviet people and indeed the international proletariat.

Adolf Hitler took the stage.

The Chancellor’s speech was more volatile than what had preceded it, even in a day designed for celebration he had nothing but hatred to express for the enemies of the German worker. He praised the progress that had been made over the last three years only to then rage over the coalition arrayed against it. He spoke of the work still to be done and how he had confidence in the means of the German worker to enable the necessary demands of their precarious situation. There was general applause but Rosa noticed her mother more animated than she was before.

Hitler segued into a tribute to his predecessor, Paul Levi, a “heroic Communist and heroic Social Democrat” before elaborating on how they had built an alliance and then a friendship in the name of a united working class, one which had come at the right moment and which was needed now even more. Hitler emphasised that will was needed at this moment in time to facilitate what the German worker already knew to be necessary, as if he were an extension of them. There were some in the crowd who appeared to think that this was the case.

There was an upsurge in the excitement of the spectators, Hitler projected himself as an extension but he also drew them in it seemed, inviting them to become part of a more powerful whole. Hitler spoke of what Levi had said to him before his announcement of their alliance over four years ago.

“We must not allow capital to divide us.”

He repeated that phrase now, slamming his fist on the lectern whilst doing so. To Rosa the emotion of it broke the spell momentarily before she heard her mother chanting behind her.


“WE MUST NOT ALLOW CAPITAL TO DIVIDE US!”


Rosa now shouted it too and for a moment it seemed Hitler was charging them into uttering the slogan like a mantra before the Chancellor turned to greet a figure approaching him.

President Erich Zeigner embraced him for a moment before the two joined hands and lifted them aloft. Two parts of a better whole, one which represented the unity of all working Germans, one which rendered the threats and plots of their enemies worthless by the strength of their union. She felt the scene burn into her memory.


Rosa joined in the cheering before finding herself back in the Berlin of the Blackshirts. There were flashes but not from a camera.



Shots rang out and the two men went down with them.









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The painting is Metropolis by George Grosz
 
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Oh man. Zeigner might be killed or wounded and then Hitler will be “forced” to unite Chancellor and President. This could honestly be something that Hitler may not have wanted, but radical Communist elements who wanted things to progress faster, or better yet, a French or Italian fascist extremist whose actions will unite the German people. An outside threat is a great unifier of people no matter the creed or politics.
 

Great catch, thanks!

Oh man. Zeigner might be killed or wounded and then Hitler will be “forced” to unite Chancellor and President.

Only for the duration of the emergency.

This could honestly be something that Hitler may not have wanted, but radical Communist elements who wanted things to progress faster, or better yet, a French or Italian fascist extremist whose actions will unite the German people. An outside threat is a great unifier of people no matter the creed or politics.

It would be a good way of preceding an invasion, even if the impact of such an attack in the modern world would be largely psychological. Barring that it could have been done to throw Germany even more off-balance, either to help motivate a Blackshirt fifth column to rise up or to radicalise the revolution that Hitler and Zeigner are holding back. Or both.

Much like the fall that we saw before... outside assassin or a Red Front false flag?

Naturally there's a lot less doubt about the actual events here than with the fall but taken together the case for the fall not being foul play becomes less credible. This would seem to rule out the French at least, but it could have been the Italians, or Hohenzollern, or some sort of international web of capitalist conspiracy.
 
It would be a good way of preceding an invasion, even if the impact of such an attack in the modern world would be largely psychological. Barring that it could have been done to throw Germany even more off-balance, either to help motivate a Blackshirt fifth column to rise up or to radicalise the revolution that Hitler and Zeigner are holding back. Or both.
Main problem with the Blackshirt Fifth Column is that any possible serious counter Revolutionary force in a Invasion would have to be the French and given the Traditional Hostility between the two, it be very hard to overcome that. The main Fifth Columnists for Paris would have to be Aristocratic traditonalists and Catholics of the Von Papen persuasion. Now they may of been able to get Blackshirts when they were able to play "Patriotic Defenders of Germany who will restore the Reich to it's former glory" but after that point? I highly doubt you could persuade them to fight for the French. Maybe if it became clear that the Commies are going to put them in Gulags but that depends on how Hitler plays his cards, and given how shrewd he's been so far, he's not going to put them straight in until it's a sure thing.
 
Nah, Peitan is more gentlemenly than Stalin. A firing Squad would serve this Judeo Bolshevik right

So heres one question: Why arent the French just jumping in right now?
Jumping into what? Germany isn't at war with anyone. If they attack they'll be on their own, with a regime that's still shaky in the drivers seat and probably worries a lot more than warranted, about how many Frenchmen are secretly Germanphile Commies and need to be re-educated before France can risk a war against Germany without being stabbed in the back. The Soviets would support Germany and Britain probably couldn't support France beyond selling weapons without risking a General Strike.
Now if the Red Fuhrer were to invade Poland tomorrow, then France would undoubtedly "jump in" and with a lot more gravity than in OTL 1939, but going it alone would a very high stakes gamble.
 
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My god, Germany really is just crashing from conflict to conflict. From coup to civil war to Austrian intervention to war with France...
This whole era's gonna be wild to write about, Communist historiography will no doubt phrase it all as der Volksfuhrer's 20 year plan but more neutral accounts might see it as a sort of Thirty Years War type free for all
 
Jumping into what? Germany isn't at war with anyone. If they attack they'll be on their own, with a regime that's still shaky in the drivers seat and probably worries a lot more than warranted, about how many Frenchmen are secretly Germanphile Commies and need to be re-educated before France can risk a war against Germany without being stabbed in the back. The Soviets would support Germany and Britain probably couldn't support France beyond selling weapons without risking a General Strike.
Now if the Red Fuhrer were to invade Poland tomorrow, then France would undoubtedly "jump in" and with a lot more gravity than in OTL 1939, but going it alone would a very high stakes gamble.
Fair Point... Yeah Probably too soon to ignite a contenint wide war even if they could steamroll into Berlin. Mind you I dont know if Stalin would actually go in for Hitler but yeah best not to risk it
 
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Hitler has the protagonist aura to protect him here, but what if he was the one killed instead? Maybe the SPD might get stronger, ensuring Germany got less "radical" and shooing away WW2. Or is it a tad too late?
 
...the man who would now be speaking had been instrumental in ensuring Germany’s current revolutionary direction, a true friend of the Soviet people and indeed the international proletariat.

Adolf Hitler took the stage.
This, right here. This is the kind of thing, that makes Alternate History such an amazing experience.

And the fact that it totally makes sense in context, means that this is a Very Good timeline.

Now I'll quote this again, from the previous chapter:
“Comrade Munzenberg, you seem to be forgetting. For we Communists chaos can be a gift. As long as it is given its proper regard.”
In order to assume "emergency powers", Red!Hitler doesn't need a burnt Reichstag... just someone shooting at the President.
“Yes, Zeigner is a true comrade.” Hitler relented. His tone calmer than it was before but no less direct as he looked Munzenberg in the eyes.
"...And that makes him the perfect sacrificial lamb."
 
Going Abit off topic for a sec, it's going to be interesting to see how the African American Communitty is affected by the war when/if we jump in. OTL, the fight against ovbiuously racist and intolerant Facism was defintely a boost for AA rights campaigns, with the Double V campaign and all. Now with Communists who would at least mouth things about The Civil Rights situation in the South at least for propaganda purposes, as the enemy... Well it's not all lost, maybe Double V can still take off proving their loyalty against the Communists and the like...still sadly is going to put them on the back foot
 
Going Abit off topic for a sec, it's going to be interesting to see how the African American Communitty is affected by the war when/if we jump in. OTL, the fight against ovbiuously racist and intolerant Facism was defintely a boost for AA rights campaigns, with the Double V campaign and all. Now with Communists who would at least mouth things about The Civil Rights situation in the South at least for propaganda purposes, as the enemy... Well it's not all lost, maybe Double V can still take off proving their loyalty against the Communists and the like...still sadly is going to put them on the back foot

Honestly, I think if the United States gets involved in this World War II, it will be to the benefit of African Americans. This War will be much harder fought, the Communist Bloc has a lot of advantages in this timeline and we already know it lasts at least a decade. The harder fought the war, the more the United States will need African Americans working on the Home Front and participating in the military, and a more exhausted United States will be less able to continue to enforce segregation against a black population that is more involved in industry and has a higher rate of combat experience. I think desegregation would happen a few years ahead of schedule and primarily peacefully.

The question though is whether the US gets involved at all. Presumably Japan won't attack Pearl Harbor/Manila if they're bogged down in Manchuria and fighting alongside the French/British. FDR might be content to sell tons of material to the Allies while focusing on his domestic agenda as Eurasia blows itself apart for a decade.
 
First Levi and now Zeigner.

The international bourgeoisie plot against the german workers is now evident to all! Obviously in such dangerous and exceptional times exceptional measures have to be taken to protect the german worker. Confusion and indecision would only lead into the hands of the bourgeoisie conspirators, therefore for the duration of the crisis chancellor Hitler should be granted emergency powers to deal with the matter swiftly, and the election postponed until the danger is over.
 
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What is likely to happen to India? Indian troops will be in Afgh and Iran fighting against Soviets + local communists and with Britain herself permanently under threat by Red Germany, some concessions must be made
 
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