Nobunaga’s Ambition Realized: Dawn of a New Rising Sun

[Quinkana]

Seeing the Dutch and other allies of the Japanese fight is very fun and it does seem that the Dutch are very important too. I'd think the Dutch would be the premier ally of Japan post war and carve SEA into their zones of interest until one side gets too greedy and the alliance falls apart.

 

[Red Angel]

IIRC Japan built a sort of theme park type of town based on a Dutch town Huis Ten Bosch so I think that Japan still builds that place but as an actual town for the Dutch to stay after their long trip while the Dutch could also do the same in either their homeland or one of their colonies.

 

[Quinkana]

IIRC Japan built a sort of theme park type of town based on a Dutch town Huis Ten Bosch so I think that Japan still builds that place but as an actual town for the Dutch to stay after their long trip while the Dutch could also do the same in either their homeland or one of their colonies.

The Dutch probably has a town in beiritou/Taiwan and Kyushu so they'd be prime places to build them. Speaking of houses I'd really like to see how Japanese architecture would evolve as they become rich and become more connected to western styles. Prob at first they'd focus on making their buildings have more carvings and drawings like the Chinese then adopt more western styled things. Also seeing something like baroque style made with Japanese materials or a mix of baroque and Japanese styles would be interesting.

 

[Red Angel]

The Dutch probably has a town in beiritou/Taiwan and Kyushu so they'd be prime places to build them. Speaking of houses I'd really like to see how Japanese architecture would evolve as they become rich and become more connected to western styles. Prob at first they'd focus on making their buildings have more carvings and drawings like the Chinese then adopt more western styled things. Also seeing something like baroque style made with Japanese materials or a mix of baroque and Japanese styles would be interesting.

I could see that happening but also having those buildings be more practical for storms and tsunamis, the Dutch could have a sort of embassy in Beiritou/Taiwan or Kyushu.

 

[Simeon]

The Dutch probably has a town in beiritou/Taiwan and Kyushu so they'd be prime places to build them. Speaking of houses I'd really like to see how Japanese architecture would evolve as they become rich and become more connected to western styles. Prob at first they'd focus on making their buildings have more carvings and drawings like the Chinese then adopt more western styled things. Also seeing something like baroque style made with Japanese materials or a mix of baroque and Japanese styles would be interesting.

The Japanese Church still exists ITTL, so the probably Baroque churches that were demolished IOTL probably still exists, as well as their (probably smaller) versions of the adjacent town squares.

Japanese townhouses and warehouses were developed largely swimmingly even with the absence of cheap stone and masonry, so I don't think much will change from IOTL. The same can be inferred for clan mansions and office compounds.

That said, the very-much invigourated port districts must have made for warehouse districts that are much more bigger and active than they had ever been IOTL. Perhaps, as centres of trade and masonry - turbocharged from international trade no less - this is where you'll mainly see the (still sporadic) smatterings of westernised architecture.

 

[focus9912]

Chapter 45: Iberian-Japanese War Part IX - Rematches in Malacca and Mindanao​

Malacca was one of the critical ports in the East Indies due to its control over the Malacca Straits and the trade that flowed through it. Hence, it had long been a goal of the VOC to permanently seize it from the Portuguese, and would lead to multiple attempts to do so. The third attempt would take place in the autumn months of 1632 immediately after the Portuguese recapture of the city in the spring. In June and July 1632, Batavia gathered a new fleet to take back the city, with Hans Putmans assigned command of a fleet of 10 galleons, several fire ships, and other smaller Javanese vessels. Critically, the Dutch would also ally with the Johor Sultanate, a rival of Portuguese Malacca, and receive the support of 500 soldiers from their realm alongside 1,000-1,500 Dutch and Javanese soldiers. On August 14th, Putmans sailed from Batavia, reaching Malacca within days, and thus the third siege of Malacca in 2 years commenced.

The Portuguese were quite unprepared for the Dutch assault, having just recaptured Malacca and begun the process of repairing fortifications and gathering provisions. Nevertheless, Malacca was now guarded by a sizable naval force and a few hundred elite Indian mercenaries alongside Portuguese soldiers and local levies. On August 20th, the VOC fleet sailed into the bay and immediately engaged in a naval battle with the Portuguese fleet, highlighted by cannonfire salvos between VOC and Portuguese galleons. Ultimately, the Dutch fire ships managed to neutralize multiple Portuguese warships, paving the way for a hardfought but decisive VOC victory. Meanwhile, Johori troops had commenced their land assault on Malacca but were hard-hit by waves of gunfire and arrows from the outer trenches while making hardly a dent in the Portuguese defenses. After the Dutch naval victory, however, the latter became pressed on multiple sides as the Dutch launched their own assault from the other side of Malacca in addition to their naval bombardment. However, the Dutch land assault was met with the Indian mercenaries, who were armed with matchlocks and talwar swords and nearly overwhelmed the Dutch. Faced with unflinching opposition, the Dutch and Johori would be unable to take the city for weeks, with the Dutch navy exchanging fire with the many heavy guns of Malacca. On October 1st, however, the battered artillery positions and walls of the city, weathered after nearly constant warfare during the past year, began to collapse from the Dutch bombardments, allowing the latter to land troops directly into the city. Within the city, resistance melted away and the Portuguese-Indian forces outside the walls became trapped on both sides and deprived of their artillery cover. The Indian mercenaries quickly surrendered, while many of the Portuguese soldiers chose to fight to the death rather than submit to their hated enemies. By mid-October, Malacca was in Dutch hands once again and would remain so for the rest of the war.​

Nice update.
P/s: Is the fact the term Johori is a ITTL term replacing the IOTL term Johorean (which is partially due to the fact that the sultanates in the area uses Jawi writing system, thus when the Johor name were written using Roman alphabets, most of the colonial map refer to Johor with a E (Johore)) when refers to natives/residents of Johor?

 

[Ambassador Huntsman]

The Dutch probably has a town in beiritou/Taiwan and Kyushu so they'd be prime places to build them. Speaking of houses I'd really like to see how Japanese architecture would evolve as they become rich and become more connected to western styles. Prob at first they'd focus on making their buildings have more carvings and drawings like the Chinese then adopt more western styled things. Also seeing something like baroque style made with Japanese materials or a mix of baroque and Japanese styles would be interesting.

The Dutch don’t have any towns per se but they have their own quarter in Kagoshima and have a special partnership with the Shimazu clan separate from Azuchi due to feudalism+toleration by Azuchi because the Shimazu line is an Oda cadet branch ITTL. There’s definitely gonna be some cultural influences on architecture down the line in very specific instances.

Nice update.
P/s: Is the fact the term Johori is a ITTL term replacing the IOTL term Johorean (which is due to the fact that the sultanates in the area uses Jawi writing system, thus when the Johor name were written using Roman alphabets, most of the colonial map refer to Johor with a E (Johore)) when refers to natives/residents of Johor?

Unintentionally yes. Low key I thought Johori was the IOTL terminology when I wrote this chapter lol but a Southeast Asia with less overt European hegemony and influence will have local, proper names be preserved rather than altered like ITTL so what you said fits 100% anyway.

 

[focus9912]

Nice update.
P/s: Is the fact the term Johori is a ITTL term replacing the IOTL term Johorean (which is partially due to the fact that the sultanates in the area uses Jawi writing system, thus when the Johor name were written using Roman alphabets, most of the colonial map refer to Johor with a E (Johore)) when refers to natives/residents of Johor?

Correction: Further Googling shows that the spelling of Johor with an E became more prevalent during the late 19th century, during which Johor Sultanate IOTL is being (and still is) ruled by the Temenggong dynasty which has a tendency of being an Anglophile on various degrees up to a level of being a British equivalent of an otaku IMO as shown on the second case.
That being said the Johor dynasties and the way the Sultanate was transferred from one family to another could be changed with the earlier presence of the Japanese.

 

[Quinkana]

The Japanese Church still exists ITTL, so the probably Baroque churches that were demolished IOTL probably still exists, as well as their (probably smaller) versions of the adjacent town squares.

Japanese townhouses and warehouses were developed largely swimmingly even with the absence of cheap stone and masonry, so I don't think much will change from IOTL. The same can be inferred for clan mansions and office compounds.

That said, the very-much invigourated port districts must have made for warehouse districts that are much more bigger and active than they had ever been IOTL. Perhaps, as centres of trade and masonry - turbocharged from international trade no less - this is where you'll mainly see the (still sporadic) smatterings of westernised architecture.

Yeah the original churches are standing and they'd be contiously be built and be part of public consciousness, especially as western architecture would be seen as something to emulate in the early stages of japanese-western interactions. I'd also think that the yamato church would be building very Japanese looking churches rn as they just split from the Portugal and Spanish. I'd think at the 17th and 18th century as we see the new syncretic religion pop up and more interactions continue we'd start to see a fusion of styles be popular. One thing I could see are wooden columns and arches and different types of vaulting like rib vaulting.

 

[Ambassador Huntsman]

Correction: Further Googling shows that the spelling of Johor with an E became more prevalent during the late 19th century, during which Johor Sultanate IOTL is being (and still is) ruled by the Temenggong dynasty which has a tendency of being an Anglophile on various degrees up to a level of being a British equivalent of an otaku IMO as shown on the second case.
That being said the Johor dynasties and the way the Sultanate was transferred from one family to another could be changed with the earlier presence of the Japanese.

I’ll research more on Johor, I may or may not retroactively change terms if that would make things make more sense.

 

[Tertius711]

I’ll research more on Johor, I may or may not retroactively change terms if that would make things make more sense.

I’m Malaysian so feel free to ask me anything if you want.

 

[Ambassador Huntsman]

Chapter 44: Iberian-Japanese War Part X - Decisive Victory in Luzon​

With the threat of the Spanish admiral averted for now, Tadataka felt confident enough to march out of Aparri with 9,000 and join Tomoyoshi’s force in Nueva Segovia in early September. The latter was relieved of much of their suffering, welcoming the arrival of troops, provisions, and medical supplies. With the summer heat beginning to let off somewhat, the beleaguered troops, particularly the Mōri contingent, recovered quickly, and two weeks later the main army of 21,000, now led by Tadataka as the supreme commander and incorporating 1,000 native allies within its ranks. Tuguegarao would be reached and taken after a brief battle in early October, and this defeat convinced the main Spanish officers to retreat south to Manila and coalesce with the main expeditionary force, now commanded by Figueroa. Thus, Ilagan to the south fell with little difficulty and it looked like the entire valley would be in Japanese hands by the end of the year. However, before that could happen, the Japanese would finally face Figueroa’s rumored army from Manila. The governor general led an army of 20,000, consisting of 4,000 Spanish conquistadors, 2,500 Tidorese troops, 2,000 elite mercenaries of various backgrounds, and 11,500 Filipino levies. The Spanish army made camp just south of the fork of the Cagayan and Magat rivers.

The Japanese army that approached their position was slightly smaller, numbering around 17,000, including 1,000 native allies and a few hundred Chinese levies and aborigine auxiliaries from Bireitou. On the morning of November 15th, Figueroa marched his army just north of his army and formed up. The Tidorese and mercenaries formed the core of the right wing, which also lay close to the Cagayan River. The center consisted of the Filipino levies, which included a mixture of archers, arquebusiers, and melee fighters, and was fronted by cannons. Figueroa commanded directly from the center alongside the reserves, while Alonso Garcia Romero led the left, consisting of most of the Spanish troops and the entire cavalry force. Facing Romero directly was Tomoyoshi, also on horseback, while Tadataka commanded from the center and Hoida Nobumoto with the main Mōri force formed the bulk of the Japanese left. The Filipino allies on the Japanese side, however, were positioned on the far right in the nearby jungle to serve as hidden skirmishers.​

Battle of Cagayan-Magat (salmon=Japanese, brown=Japanese allies, light orange=Spanish, green=Tidorese+Spanish allies)​

Both wings of both armies advanced ahead of the respective centers. The Japanese right and Spanish left met first, with both cavalries clashing head on and heavily armored Spanish footmen exchanging blows with Japanese infantry, many of them the highly skilled heavy samurai warriors of Bireitou. The Spaniards’ heavier armor gave them an edge in combat, although the timely intervention of the hidden skirmishers prevented them from gaining a decisive strategic advantage. The Mōri saw more success against the Tidorese and mercenaries, utilizing their unity in formation, maneuvers, and spirit to negate the individual talent of the mercenaries. The addition of samurai cavalry in the Mōri ranks, led by Nobumoto himself, began to push the Spanish right back and dangerously close to the Cagayan River. The outcome of the Battle of Cagayan-Magat would be decided in the center, where the Filipino levies, many of whom were raw recruits, proved no match for the well-trained and battle-hardened Japanese arquebusiers ,yari pikemen, and heavy samurai infantry. Superior Japanese artillery further pounded the Filipino ranks. By the end, the Spanish center was obliterated despite Figueroa’s best efforts, forcing the entire army to retreat as the Japanese center spilled into the left and right wings. While the Spanish left retreated in a bloodied but orderly manner, many of the fleeing mercenaries and Tidorese soldiers fell into the rivers and either drowned or were captured. When the battle finally ended in the afternoon, a third of the Spanish army lay dead, with 2,000 wounded and another 1,000 captured. By contrast, the Japanese suffered only 2,000 casualties in total. This victory reduced Spanish strength in Luzon to under 10,000 as Figueroa’s army would be unable to fully replenish their ranks due to low manpower and subsequent defections as more native villages began to switch sides or become neutral. For Tadataka and his victorious army, the road to Manila was now open.

The Japanese also scored another decisive victory in the northern seas on October 1st, when Itou Sukenori, united with the rest of the Mōri navy and having received reinforcements from further north, successfully drew Antonio de Oquendo into a naval clash near Pasaleng Bay, not far from Cape Bojeador. Sukenori commanded 80 ships to de Oquendo’s 60-70 ships, and he took Moritaka’s former place in the center. With him were Atuy Upash and Zheng Zhilong, with the former in charge of the vanguard. The Mōri navy made up the right wing, led by Kobayakawa Motoshige (小早川元鎮), while a mixed contingent of Shimazu, Chosokabe, and Azuchi ships made up the left wing, led by Shimazu Tadatsune once again. By contrast, de Oquendo combined the Spanish-Portuguese left and center into one formation to compensate for his numerical disadvantage even after recruiting more mercenaries, with de Castro again leading the right wing of the Iberian fleet.​

Battle of Pasaleng Bay (salmon=Japanese, light orange=Spanish, green=Portuguese)​

This battle would demonstrate a departure from Japanese naval doctrine, which placed the heavy zentousen in the front and relied on their firepower to deal heavy damage on European warships before swarming the opposing fleet with tekkousen and their European-style warships. Instead, Sukenori placed his best galleons and carracks on the frontline but left gaps big enough for the zentousen to slip through and maximize Japanese cannon barrage potential while also sailing forward towards the Iberian fleet with ample cover. Sukenori’s innovative strategy worked to perfection, with de Oquendo unable to counter effectively. Zentousen commanded by Atuy Upash eventually reached Spanish galleons, leading to descriptions of boarding action that would bring fame to the “Ainu Three Hundred”. In contrast to the Japanese, who fought typically in the samurai fashion, the Ainu men in their lighter outfits of layered furs and pelts from Ezo utilized their brute strength and deadly harpoons alongside swords, bows, and gunpowder weapons to overwhelm the crew of one of de Oquendo’s biggest galleons. Later Spanish chronicles would compare them to bears and even the long-gone Vikings due to their ferocity and appearance, especially in comparison to their smaller Japanese comrades. The Japanese wings also played their part effectively, and the naval clash that had begun at mid-day had concluded by the evening as a clear Japanese victory. Antonio de Oquendo would subsequently retreat all the way back to Manila.​

Luzon in fall 1632​

With these two decisive victories, the Japanese reversed all of their losses and ousted any significant Spanish presence in Luzon north of Manila. With even more fresh troops arriving in Aparri in November 1632, it became clear that a Spanish victory was almost impossible even with a batch of new ships and reinforcements from New Spain docking in Manila in the fall. The conflict, however, wouldn’t conclude until the following year.​

 

[Tertius711]

Japanese Philippines! Japanese Philippines!

 

[theg*ddam*hoi2fan]

Japanese Philippines! Japanese Philippines!

Or at least a part of it. Given the Japanese seem to be working with the Muslim rulers in the South, I could see a situation where they take Manila and the North in direct rule and the South becomes a vassal state.

 

[Dragonboy]

Yes! More Japanese Victories! Let's hope the ball can keep on rolling!

 

[Simeon]

Japanese Philippines! Japanese Philippines!

I, for one, welcome our Japanese overlords.

Or at least a part of it. Given the Japanese seem to be working with the Muslim rulers in the South, I could see a situation where they take Manila and the North in direct rule and the South becomes a vassal state.

That said - Spain's Visayans subjects won't like the loss of Manila one bit, since the Captain-Generalcy being dramatically weakened will mean that they'll be further dominated by the Bruneians and the Moros. Besides, who knows how much the Spaniards can successfully retain - and if they won't for any - well, the partition of the archipelago (at least outside Luzon) still needs to be discussed.

That said - beyond the largely-similar Cordilleran natives, I am concerned with the anti-Catholic bent of the Japanese making "Irishmen" out of Catholic lowlanders in Luzon.

As thoroughly subjugated, exploited, and somewhat "urbanised" subjects of the Spanish crown - as opposed to "respectably hard-to-conquer", tribal governments on the hinterlands - there won't be much incentives to include them in higher-level administration especially as new clans establish - or the Oda Chancellery extend themselves and their own administration(s) onto the island.

Such a rebellious hotbed can easily manifest itself in Central Luzon Plain; as opposed to the straightforwardedness of giving non-mainland Luzon islands and its mostly homogenuous or otherwise largely harmoniously coexisting ethnicities autonomy or even nominal independence, the colonising Japanese certainly needs to have a central government for the region, even if they were to hack the Cordilleras and Cagayan valley away.

They're going to need to appoint a Manila Kanrei.

 

[souvikkundu25140017]

Will Japanese try to introduce Buddhist missionaries in Philippines?

 

[Quinkana]

That said - beyond the largely-similar Cordilleran natives, I am concerned with the anti-Catholic bent of the Japanese making "Irishmen" out of Catholic lowlanders in Luzon.

Tbf I think the faithful will just be forced to be part of the yamato church with significant autonomy with the only stipulation that they can't have Spanish bishops.

Or at least a part of it. Given the Japanese seem to be working with the Muslim rulers in the South, I could see a situation where they take Manila and the North in direct rule and the South becomes a vassal state.

Tbf with the native states I'd see Japan slowly taking over everything more than anything else.

As thoroughly subjugated, exploited, and somewhat "urbanised" subjects of the Spanish crown - as opposed to "respectably hard-to-conquer", tribal governments on the hinterlands - there won't be much incentives to include them in higher-level administration especially as new clans establish - or the Oda Chancellery extend themselves and their own administration(s) onto the island.

Tbf would they really survive if the Spanish cannot control the island at all?

Will Japanese try to introduce Buddhist missionaries in Philippines?

Prob they'd be done by Buddhist temples and not by the gov.

 

[Simeon]

Tbf I think the faithful will just be forced to be part of the yamato church with significant autonomy with the only stipulation that they can't have Spanish bishops.

I wonder how the Catholic faithful will deal with the sudden changes that the pseudo-(High) Anglican Yamato Church will impose.

More importantly - as opposed to England and the eventual Great Britain - Japan will actually expel and persecute the remaining Latin clergy and the ones who won't declare allegiance to the Japanese church.

I am suspecting that the Latin Church in both Japan and - though mainly the Philippines - will have conditions similar to the Old Believers in Russia IOTL.

Tbf would they really survive if the Spanish cannot control the island at all?

I was mainly talking about the clans -ainly from the samurai and daimyō classes - sitting above as actual administrators as opposed to coopting the local nobility for it.

Of course - the reduccion townships and cities will survive; though done in pain, those places were still chosen quite strategically so that the population can be more easily controlled and exploited, either through cash-cropping, or actual urban industries like Church construction and ship building.

It made for quite a significant, if a fiscal blackhole of an economy, one which the Japanese will inherit relatively intact.

Remember: these are not going to be like other Japanese cities that they have had several centuries' worth of experience administrating, not to say nothing of the towns actually being youthful themselves as products of the likewise young but already-irreversible destruction of the Barangay and Datu systems.

Will Japanese try to introduce Buddhist missionaries in Philippines?

Prob they'd be done by Buddhist temples and not by the gov.

Fair. The Oda clan had been the innovators of religious freedom and toleration, after all, and part of their "honour" as a clan and a chancellery rested on respecting the choices Nobunaga made in regards to that.

That said - I doubt that it's going to be as popular as the Buddhist temple priests expect it to be.

 

[Quinkana]

I am suspecting that the Latin Church in both Japan - though mainly the Philippines - will have conditions similar to the Old Believers in Russia IOTL.

Prob yeah especially with much higher use of Latin and stuff.

It made for quite a significant, if a fiscal blackhole of an economy, one which the Japanese will inherit relatively intact.

Tbf I think Japanese control would be mostly centered around the cities and resource extraction, with armies going in once in a while to crush rebellions. And also there's a possibility that those groups just get eradicated/moved out

That said - I doubt that it's going to be as popular as the Buddhist temple priests expect it to be.

Tbf SEA likes converting to new religions that they come in contact with (like they converted to Hinduism first before they converted to Islamism so I do feel certain areas will be converted to Buddhism especially when there's 5 centuries for it to happen.