Nobunaga’s Ambition Realized: Dawn of a New Rising Sun
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Just fixed it, leftover from draft so just deleted that section.
I mean he gets close ITTL. I feel like Ayutthaya’s European interactions fall under the radar in the history books unlike Japan’s which are well-documented and well-known outside of its own country, even when the Franco-Siamese embassies were pretty significant.
still doesn't discount the fact that Japan's is still absolutely huge compared to the period's Ayutthaya whether it be OTL and TTL, or the sixteenth and the seventeenth century
and so justifies the disproportionate focus on Japan compared to Indochina: the former country invented pop culture and art for itself even while closed down IOTL due to the sheer size of its population (and rice production that they speculated upon)
Also - without the official directive by the Tokugawa Shogunate to take on Neoconfucian academicism - won't a large part of the samurai class have a much more boorish and uncultured reputation compared to their counterparts IOTL?
I wouldn't say the samurai class would have a more uncultured reputation. Maybe in some cases, but I think they would mostly be seen in a less conservative and more militaristc light due to a level of continued conflict as well as the studious adoption of wagaku and yogaku. For example, arithmetic is certainly a much more important skill ITTL due to increased mercantilism, and samurai culture continues to be influenced by traditional Japanese noble culture due to the greater importance of the Kansai region with the capital being at Azuchi and not somewhere in the Kanto region. Not to mention Chinese classics, the Chinese language, and Chinese culture are still highly valued, just through a less Sinophilic and Confucian lens.
Chapter 128: A Poisonous Plot
Chapter 128: A Poisonous Plot
Oda Nobuie, heir to the Azuchi daijo-fu, came home a war hero with strong support than ever from the daimyo lords on the Sangi-shu and Shinka-in bodies, especially those dissatisfied with the politics of the old Nanshin faction and the Kanbe brothers. Riding this momentum, Nobuie directly went to his father and asked permission to lead a second military expedition, this time to subjugate the northern half of the Karafuto island which remained uncontrolled by Japan. He proposed it to the daijo-daijin on the grounds of security against Russia, expansion of the fur trade, and a need to strengthen the hold on the southern half which since Sakuma Moritora’s death had stagnated. Initially able to sway Nobuhiro, he was ultimately unsuccessful when Kudō Kanefuyu and his faction in the Sangi-shu voiced opposition due to the campaign’s inevitable expenses and Nobuie’s perceived disrespect of the councilors by not proposing it to them first. The weak daijo-daijin caved and the Oda heir was given a reality check in the politics of Azuchi. However, Azuchi would subsequently strengthen Japanese presence in the southern half partially thanks to Nobuie’s proposal.
The perceived aggressiveness of Nobuie, however, did serve to justify the fears Kanbe Tomozane, Kudō Kanefuyu, and their supporters had of the Oda heir secretly plotting to undermine their longstanding but increasingly shaky power with opposing daimyo lords. Sooner or later, Nobuhiro would either die or retire and Nobuie would become the new daijo-daijin and inevitably the power balance would shift, possibly to their faction’s detriment and towards a renewed centralization of power around the chancellery. Beyond the potential political ramifications affecting their faction, many in Azuchi in general had grown accustomed to more oligarchic and bureaucratic governance under the “gogisei” principle (合議制) where the daijo-daijin was the chief minister and leading figure of the government with the cooperation and even consent of Azuchi’s political institutions. This was in contrast to its polar opposite called the “dokusaisei” principle (独裁制), a more autocratic system defined by the politics and governance of Oda Nobunaga and to a lesser extent Nobutomo and Nobutsugu. Ever since the sudden death of Nobutsugu in 1653, the realm had been governed via gogisei even under the rule of figures like the kōbu kanpaku Konoe Toshishige and the caretaker daijo-daijin Kanbe Tomoyoshi. This was also how the Nanshin faction and the Nobuhiro Triumvirate had run politics in Azuchi in the 1670s and 1680s.
In reality, while Nobuie may have resented the lack of power his father had and the people who used Nobuhiro as a rubber stamp and even puppet, he was more ambitious than power-hungry. This distinction, however, would ultimately not matter in the eyes of his critics and foes, leading to a plot on Nobuie’s life. The intent was to covertly poison the Oda heir and kill him, making his 5 year old Hachiomaru the new heir. This would not only remove a political rival but alter the succession in their favor towards a child that could be molded into a Nobuhiro 2.0. The conspirators surprisingly did not include any significant daimyo lords but rather was an effort by inspector-general and longtime Kudo clan retainer Wakebe Yoshitaka (分部嘉高) [1], who had been appointed after Kanefuyu became a member of the Sangi-shu in 1689, and his circle of followers and loyalists. The province the Kudō clan governed, Iga, was famous for its historical large concentration of shinobi so it was no surprise when Yoshitaka would hire a shinobi to infiltrate Nobuie’s personal residence, disguise themselves as a guard, and intercept a vase of sake to be drunk that night by Nobuie and his mistress Nasu (那須の方), dropping pinches of poison powder made from wolfsbane into the sake. Upon his death, the plan would be to direct a half-hearted investigation intended to ensure the innocence of the true perpetrators.
The perceived aggressiveness of Nobuie, however, did serve to justify the fears Kanbe Tomozane, Kudō Kanefuyu, and their supporters had of the Oda heir secretly plotting to undermine their longstanding but increasingly shaky power with opposing daimyo lords. Sooner or later, Nobuhiro would either die or retire and Nobuie would become the new daijo-daijin and inevitably the power balance would shift, possibly to their faction’s detriment and towards a renewed centralization of power around the chancellery. Beyond the potential political ramifications affecting their faction, many in Azuchi in general had grown accustomed to more oligarchic and bureaucratic governance under the “gogisei” principle (合議制) where the daijo-daijin was the chief minister and leading figure of the government with the cooperation and even consent of Azuchi’s political institutions. This was in contrast to its polar opposite called the “dokusaisei” principle (独裁制), a more autocratic system defined by the politics and governance of Oda Nobunaga and to a lesser extent Nobutomo and Nobutsugu. Ever since the sudden death of Nobutsugu in 1653, the realm had been governed via gogisei even under the rule of figures like the kōbu kanpaku Konoe Toshishige and the caretaker daijo-daijin Kanbe Tomoyoshi. This was also how the Nanshin faction and the Nobuhiro Triumvirate had run politics in Azuchi in the 1670s and 1680s.
In reality, while Nobuie may have resented the lack of power his father had and the people who used Nobuhiro as a rubber stamp and even puppet, he was more ambitious than power-hungry. This distinction, however, would ultimately not matter in the eyes of his critics and foes, leading to a plot on Nobuie’s life. The intent was to covertly poison the Oda heir and kill him, making his 5 year old Hachiomaru the new heir. This would not only remove a political rival but alter the succession in their favor towards a child that could be molded into a Nobuhiro 2.0. The conspirators surprisingly did not include any significant daimyo lords but rather was an effort by inspector-general and longtime Kudo clan retainer Wakebe Yoshitaka (分部嘉高) [1], who had been appointed after Kanefuyu became a member of the Sangi-shu in 1689, and his circle of followers and loyalists. The province the Kudō clan governed, Iga, was famous for its historical large concentration of shinobi so it was no surprise when Yoshitaka would hire a shinobi to infiltrate Nobuie’s personal residence, disguise themselves as a guard, and intercept a vase of sake to be drunk that night by Nobuie and his mistress Nasu (那須の方), dropping pinches of poison powder made from wolfsbane into the sake. Upon his death, the plan would be to direct a half-hearted investigation intended to ensure the innocence of the true perpetrators.
Portrait of Wakebe Yoshitaka
The plan would not go exactly as planned. On the night of April 21st, 1692, after sitting down with Nasu, as predicted he would order his ordered sake to be taken out and then have his mistress pour his first serving. Right before he drank, however, he suddenly felt a need to use the restroom and excused himself. Slyly, Nasu drank the sake that had already been poured, intending to pour a second serving. Sadly, this would be the last thing she would ever do before succumbing almost immediately to the effects of the poison. By the time Nobuie had rushed back upon hearing a commotion, Nasu was dead. In shock and barely holding back his tears, the Oda heir swiftly ordered his men to lock down his residence and search every room and verify every person in the vicinity. The shinobi found himself trapped inside the residence and so hid himself inside a cabinet before sneaking out into the ceiling space and attempting to slip out of Nobuie’s grasp. This shinobi, known as Nakaoka Seizo (中岡政蔵), underestimated the security of the residence, however, and was soon surrounded by Nobuie’s guards once he had escaped outside. Although a smoke bomb briefly masked his presence, Seizo was struck by a stray bullet in the chest fired by retainer Inoue Toranoshin (井上寅之進) and died within minutes.
Although the shinobi now couldn’t be interrogated and no letters or identification were on him, his pocket case of wolfsbane poison powder was found, and Nobuie immediately ordered his men to track down its source. The Oda heir, suspecting correctly that he and not his mistress was the intended target, delayed in alerting the inspector general, whom he already saw as political opposition, until the following afternoon while he conducted his own investigation. When Yoshitaka finally found out about what had happened, he continued with his plan of a half-hearted investigation intending to cover up his own involvement despite the plan not going completely as intended. He would attempt to send a messenger to the shop in Iga where Seizo had acquired the wolfsbane powder before his cover was blown. Nobuie’s loyal retainers were ahead of him, however, and had successfully tracked down the source of the powder. The shopkeeper and his associates would be arrested on April 25th and taken back to Azuchi along with Yoshitaka’s messenger when the latter finally arrived, too late to cover up for his master. What followed was a series of interrogations that would ultimately lead to the public execution of those who had been arrested that day. Further arrests were only prevented by the actions of the inspector general, who would write a letter that placed the responsibility of the plot entirely onto himself before committing seppuku on May 2nd, 1692. The Wakebe clan would also subsequently be dissolved as a result of the plot. The entire plot and assassination attempt would collectively be known as Yoshitaka’s Incident (嘉高の変).
Depiction of Wakebe Yoshitaka penning his letter and preparing to commit seppuku
Although none of the other prominent members of the Kanbe brothers’ faction had been involved and hardly harbored any traitorous feelings, the plot proved scandalous to them collectively. In the aftermath, Kudō Kanefuyu resigned from the Sangi-shu and retired completely from politics due to Wakebe Yoshitaka originally being a retainer of his. Many bureaucrats in the government would follow, weakening the faction’s influence even more. Although Luson governor Kanbe Tomozane would be unaffected, he often was absent from Azuchi in the first place and thus had always been reliant on his younger brother, the late Mōri Tsugumoto, and others to bolster his influence and interests. His son Yoshihiro would continue to serve as a proxy and handle the Kanbe clan’s affairs in Azuchi but things would never be the same without Kanefuyu and his crafty skills.
Taking Kanefuyu’s place on the Sangi-shu would be Nobuie himself and his ascension to the political body marked the end of an era. For 3 decades after the conclusion of the Manji War, the victors had largely been in charge of the Japanese realm and only now would a new cadre rise. The next couple years would see no one faction predominate as a sort of balance would be established in Azuchi. It was in this environment that the Oda heir would navigate politics, needing to prove to the world that he was more than just a martial leader but one adept in administrative affairs and the internal collaboration and diplomacy necessary to succeed in the Oda capital.
[1]: A daimyo IOTL, his family originally being retainers to the Kudō clan and remaining so ITTL.
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Good chapter. I see the political intrigue and conspiracies haven’t gone done in Oda Japan
@Ambassador Huntsman ! Amazing work!
Thank God that Nobuie managed to escape that plot, even if by sheer luck! He's the leader Japan desperately needs!
Thank God that Nobuie managed to escape that plot, even if by sheer luck! He's the leader Japan desperately needs!
John Fredrick Parker
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So it looks like Japan will be subduing Sakharin; I’m still excited to see if they’ll achieve a presence on the Kamchatka Peninsula and possibly the Aleutian Islands. We’re already up to the 1690’s, when Russia OTL began to explore Kamchatka in earnest, so I suppose we’ll see.
So, a thought occurred to me. Since this ITTL, the Oda Clan took over and claim descent from the Taira Clan and are the Daijo-Daijin (An Imperial Position), how is the Taira Clan (+ the Minamoto Clan and even Fujiwara Clan) are viewed or potrayed in this period in things like in literature and art or theater?
Could a "story" (AKA Propaganda piece) be written about the Genpei War, spinning it as tale about the Taira Clan being the good guys for "Upholding" Imperial Institution, while the Minamoto Clan as the bad guys who wanted to "Usurp" the Emperor Antoku by establishing the Kamakura Shogunate? A rewritten version of The Tale of the Heike.
Furthermore, maybe also talk about the Hojo Clan (Not the Ise one) positively, since they also descend from another earlier branch of the Taira Clan, who were in the right for becoming the Shikken over the Kamakura Shoguns.
As they say, history is written by the victors
Could a "story" (AKA Propaganda piece) be written about the Genpei War, spinning it as tale about the Taira Clan being the good guys for "Upholding" Imperial Institution, while the Minamoto Clan as the bad guys who wanted to "Usurp" the Emperor Antoku by establishing the Kamakura Shogunate? A rewritten version of The Tale of the Heike.
Furthermore, maybe also talk about the Hojo Clan (Not the Ise one) positively, since they also descend from another earlier branch of the Taira Clan, who were in the right for becoming the Shikken over the Kamakura Shoguns.
As they say, history is written by the victors
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Thank you!!
I'm not quite sure tbh, I guess it would depend on how the scholarly view on historical events changed between the Muromachi and Edo periods IOTL and then see what changes or doesn't change from there. I'll look into it.
I've kinda just sprinkled religious developments here and there, mostly surrounding Salvationism. Tbh not much has changed other than Oobaku Zen becoming more and more dominant in Bireito and the Yamato Church growing a bit. There will be some significant developments coming up tho, especially once we get into the 18th century.
Chapter 129: Triumph of the Holy League
Chapter 129: Triumph of the Holy League
The Franco-Dutch War had coincided with an Ottoman invasion of the Austrian Habsburg lands which began what would later be known as the Great Turkish War. Capturing Vienna had long been an aspiration of the Sublime Porte since the bygone days of Suleiman the Magnificent, and grand vizier Kara Mustafa Pasha was eager to accomplish this enticing goal. Although initially hesitant, Mehmed IV was eventually persuaded to take up his grand vizier’s grandiose proposal in the face of Habsburg incursions that had begun after Upper Hungary elected Imre Thokoly as their new prince and broke off from the Habsburg fold into Constantinople’s. The ongoing Franco-Dutch War provided further encouragement for a full-scale campaign against Vienna as it preoccupied the attention of potential allies of the Holy Roman Emperor in western Europe. Thus, in April 1683, an enormous Ottoman force of 150,000 men led by Mustafa Pasha himself began marching from Edirne towards Vienna. Along the way, they would be joined by the armies of Transylvanian prince Michael Apafi and Imre Thokoly.
Portrait of Kara Mustafa Pasha
The siege of Vienna began on July 14, the city having been evacuated by Emperor Leopold who had fled to Passau to prepare a proper counter-response. After digging trenches to protect themselves from enemy fire, the Turks dug mining tunnels which would be filled with black powder intended to explode under Vienna’s walls and destroy them. However, the defenders were able to reinforce the outer palisade by knocking tree trunks into the ground, prolonging the Ottoman’s efforts by 3 weeks. The Viennese advantage in artillery also dissuaded any full-frontal assaults upon the city. Nevertheless, Mustafa Pasha was able to cut off the food supply and the defenders were on the verge of capitulation when news of a Polish relief army led by the king John Sobieski himself defeating Imre Thokoly at Bisamberg [1], just 5 km northwest of Vienna, reached the besieged city and gave the populace renewed hope. It would be this relief army of 18,000 that heralded the beginning of the anti-Ottoman response, with Lithuanians, Cossacks, and Imperials on their way as well.
Mustafa Pasha attempted to respond to this impending threat by assigning Kara Mehmed of Diyarbakir to take a contingent of 24,000 to track down and confront Sobieski before he could coalesce with other Christian reinforcements. Sobieski, however, cleverly avoided open battle, instead deploying cavalry led by his brother Marek to repeatedly harass and wear down Kara Mehmed’s detachment. Only on September 7th did the king plan a joint assault with the Germano-Imperial reinforcements under Prince Georg Friedrich of Waldeck and in the ensuing battle flanked and defeated the Ottoman detachment, even killing Kara Mehmed in the process. After this victory, the now-gathered anti-Ottoman forces quickly organized, with John Sobieski as the commander-in-chief and George Friedrich, Saxon elector John George III, and Marek Sobieski as deputy commanders. This army, numbering 70,000+ now descended upon the besiegers. Forced to pause his siege of Vienna, Kara Mustafa Pasha ordered counterattacks upon the approaching Christian forces with mixed results as the Turks and their allies were already exhausted and demoralized from the grueling siege and news of the initial Christian victory. The iconic moment of the battle was a cavalry charge led by John Sobieski and 3,000 winged hussars, the largest in recorded history, that descended from the Kahlenberg hilltop and finally broke the Ottomans’ ranks, forcing a messy retreat back into their territories. They had lost around 40,000 men and Vienna proved to be such a massive defeat that the grand vizier would be executed by Mehmed IV upon his humiliating return.
Battle of Vienna, painted by Gonzales Franciscus Casteels
Upon their victory, the participating powers would quickly form a Holy League to undermine the Sublime Porte’s ability to organize large-scale invasions into Europe. The Commonwealth and much of the Holy Roman Empire would be joined by the Venetian Republic and later the Russian Tsardom, uniting an unprecedented amount of political and military power against the Ottomans. The Great Turkish War, as the subsequent conflict would be known as, branched out into several regional theaters from the great victory at Vienna. The main theater would be the Hungarian one which began even before the Holy League had formally been established. Initially set back by the death of Marek Sobieski to dysentery while on campaign, League forces under the leadership of commanders like prince Georg Friedrich and Louis William, margrave of Baden-Baden, were able to rapidly advance upon Buda and had recaptured the historic capital of Hungary by 1686. The Holy League would receive another boost that same year with the conclusion of the Franco-Dutch War, freeing up reserves previously stationed in case of a potential intervention. These successes would reach their peak with the 2nd Battle of Mohacs in 1687, which saw a League victory so great it triggered a mutiny within the Ottoman armed forces that ultimately saw the deposition of padishah Mehmed IV in favor of his younger brother Suleiman. Things went even more smoothly against Transylvania, where nobles still angry at the Turks for displacing the Rakoczis from prominence in 1677 allied with the League against Michael Apafi. The subsequent civil war within the principality would result in a Habsburg-Rakoczi victory and the teenage Francis Rakoczi was promised the princely title once he was of age.
While the Habsburgs and their Imperial forces romped in Hungary, the Commonwealth pressed Constantinople in the lands of its Moldavian and Crimean vassals. At first, the anti-Ottoman Stefan Petriceicu seized power in Moldavia after its prince, the pro-Ottoman George Ducas, was captured on the Viennese battlefield and flipped his realm’s allegiances towards the Commonwealth. However, the Turks acted quickly, replacing him with Dumitrascu Cantacuzino within months. This prompted a campaign by John Sobieski into Moldavia in 1686 and although he found initial success, his army quickly began to be bogged down in siege after siege as the Turks refused to give battle and chose instead to harass and wear down the Christian forces. It didn’t help that much of the Commonwealth’s nearby Cossack military strength was directed towards the Crimean Tatars, who proved to be resilient even with Russian participation in the war in 1686 onwards. Lithuanian reinforcements under the command of Lithuanian Crown Hetman Kazimierz Jan Sapieha would tip the balance in favor of the anti-Ottoman coalition within a few years, however, and in 1689 Sobieski successfully deposed prince Constantin Cantemir [2] after taking the capital of Iasu, replacing him with his more pro-Commonwealth son Antioh.
From here, John Sobieski ordered Sapieha and the king’s nephew Jakub [3], son of his late older brother, to hold down Moldavia while the king turned his attention to the Crimean front which was at a stalemate as the outnumbered Tatars utilized scorched earth retreats and raids, managing to completely halt the Russian advance and devastate parts of Yedisan and Zaporhizia. By 1689, Russia was undergoing its own domestic strife as the teenage co-tsar Peter I overthrew his half-sister and controlling regent Sophia, leaving a opening for the Khanate that Sobieski and Cossack leader Tymofiy Khmelnytsky could ill-afford to overlook. The Polish-Lithuanian king, hoping to replicate another Vienna-esque victory that could cripple the Crimean war effort, marched upon Perekop, a choke point between the Crimean peninsula and the mainland steppe, at the head of an army of 40,000 Poles and Cossacks. Along the way, a sizable Tatar army led by khan Selim I Giray attempted to intercept Sobieski, only to be soundly defeated. A months-long siege of Perekop and occupation of its surroundings followed, ultimately resulting in its capture in November 1691. Shortly after this, however, the aging king returned to Warsaw and handed command over to Polish Crown Hetman Stanislaw Jan Jablonowski, and the rest of the war saw only marginal gains for the Commonwealth.
Battle Against Tatars by Jozef Brandt
The Holy League would even be able to advance into the Balkans. In Serbia, supportive rebels formed the Serbian Militia and allied with the League, enabling the capture of Belgrade in 1688 and League advances as far south as Skopje. However, a counteroffensive led by grand vizier Kopruluzade Fazil Mustafa Pasha reversed nearly all of these gains and even caused a mass migration of ethnic Serbs northwards through his army’s brutal and persecutive behavior. The grand vizier’s advance would only be halted at the Battle of Slankamen in 1691, which confirmed Habsburg gains in Hungary, Croatia, and Transylvania. Another Ottoman counteroffensive would be organized, this time against Moldavia in order to drive out the Commonwealth and dethrone Antioh Cantemir. The Turkish and League armies would clash in 1691 at the Battle of Finta and here, Sapieha’s brilliant generalship and the fighting spirit of the Moldavian contingent led to a stunning victory for the Commonwealth-Moldavian forces. It was with this battle that Moldavia’s break with the Sublime Porte was confirmed for good.
Further south, Venice invaded Greece and Dalmatia and conducted naval operations in the Aegean Sea from their strategic position on Crete. Although the Republic’s fleet and trade power had been in decline throughout the 17th century, they were still able to overpower the Sublime Porte on the seas, whose own naval presence had been neglected and further resources diverted towards the more critical land battles against the Habsburgs, the Commonwealth, and their allies. Bolstered by aid from Pope Innocent XI and other Italian supporters, Venetian commander and future doge Francesco Morosini led the Republic to victory and had conquered the Ionian islands, the Negropont, Dalmatia, and southern and central Greece. Here too would the Ottomans attempt to launch a counteroffensive though their efforts would only succeed in calcifying the frontlines. A Turkish fleet under the command of Mezzo Morto Pasha would even attempt an amphibious landing and conquest of Crete in 1691 although this expedition would ultimately fail.
The Holy League’s string of victories were so devastating for the Sublime Porte that the latter entered peace negotiations in 1692. On November 16th, 1692, the Treaty of Karlowitz [4] would be signed which laid out the Holy League’s gains. The old Hungarian lands as well as Croatia and Transylvania were ceded to the Habsburg realm, with the latter now a semi-autonomous region of the Kingdom of Hungary. Further into the Balkans, Dalmatia, the Ionian islands, the Morea, and the sanjak of Egriboz [5] would be ceded to Venice. Meanwhile, Moldavia was formally recognized as a vassal of Poland-Lithuania while the Commonwealth itself made minor territorial gains at the expense of the Crimean Khanate. Notably, as Russian involvement in the Great Turkish War had ended after 1689 they were not part of the negotiations and thus did not acquire new lands from the Crimean Tatars. This would later be a point of contention between Moscow, Constantinople, and Warsaw. For now, though, Europe celebrated the unprecedented rollback of Ottoman power and influence in Europe while the French were despondent over the defeat of one of their key allies.
Europe in 1692
[1]: IOTL, Charles V of Lorraine defeats Thokoly here but ITTL Lorraine is involved in the Franco-Dutch War so the Commonwealth, which is stronger ITTL, fights this battle here instead.
[2]: Constantin Cantemir drove Dumitrascu Cantacuzino out of Moldavia in 1685 IOTL and ITTL.
[3]: Marek Sobieski’s firstborn son
[4]: The Holy League is able to end the war 7 years earlier because the Nine Years’ War is butterflied away ITTL and are also able to make greater territorial gains as a result of not having to divert manpower and resources towards another European conflict.
[5]: The Negropont and the Attican region of Greece
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@Ambassador Huntsman ! AMAZING WORK! Down with the ottomans up with the austrian habsburgs!
I can definitely see the conflict here, especially as Peter I was quite ambitious and he would be very insistent on "the need for a port in the Black Sea", cue conflict against the poles and Ottomans for conquest of the Ukraine and Crimea and possibly a future war against the swedes for control of the Baltics.
Also, poor Ottomans, always getting coalitions against them, hopefully they can recover soon and prepare to give the Habsburgs and Poles a bloody nose.
Also, poor Ottomans, always getting coalitions against them, hopefully they can recover soon and prepare to give the Habsburgs and Poles a bloody nose.