Map Thread XXI
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I’ll bite. Which side of the Civil War was Slavyanka on?The map of the United States of America
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Albion lowkey a spoiler.The map of the United States of America
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I wouldn't know since a bunch of discord users made the states, I just drew the map up with a base.
However, I would gander probably the union, seeing how Russia was pretty Pro-US and I'd also think the Larger Russians Pop there would be pro-Union. A boring answer but probably the more 'real' one lmao.
Why is it a republic? There's much likelihood it will be a Constitutional Monarchy with powerful Parliament, a kind of Southern Canada.
All northern borders will be butterflied away: the OTL Chile-Peru since the Pacific War will be totally different; some southern Bolivian provinces were initially part of the United Provinces, those would likely be retained, and so the OTL Paraguay-Bolivia border would be butterflied away; the Paraguayan War will be very different as well, so the OTL Paraguay-Brazil border will be butterflied away too, maybe the Eastern side of Paraguay will become a buffer state or get anexed by Brazil.
There would likely be some important port cities around the Magellan Straits, because of whaling and that there was not Panama Canal at the time.
I doubt those fused provinces, like Catamarca+Santiago del Estero+Tucuman and Santa Fe+Corrientes+Misiones, are likely at all because those are very old provinces with local identities. Just like the New England US states will most likely never unite into a New England state.
Paraguayan Chaco would most likely get incorporated into the Chaco, which most likely will be a territory, not a province.
Ciudad del Este will be completely butterflied away. The main town around the area was Tacurupucu up until the 1970's and in TTL it is likely to remain that way, because the Itaipu hydrodam (which because of geography will be built anyway) is located in Tacurupucu (now called Hernandarias).
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No worries, just a crack on the pun. Or what I thought was a pun. Googling it and seeing the Urban Dictionary makes it... Yah, not the greatest. Anyways, nice two see two states almost make a massive Utah. You created the borders?
I was given some borders, or told where to put em based on rivers or geography , or just irl borders
This is simply phenomenal. I'm really glad you posted this on the front page of this thread! Is it supposed to be on Earth? It reminds me of Siberia for some reason.
I'm very curious about the setting!
How much of this is directly extrapolated from in-game lore? Why does Greece own Macedonia? What are the red spots in China? What's up in the *Union of Sovereign States? How did Kosovo manage to gain recognition but Montenegro didn't gain independence? Liberal Serbia to begin with? I see Republika Srpska with OTL borders so clearly there was a war in the Balkans comparable to the OTL one, which makes the economic devastation that was a major driving factor for moderates in Montenegro voting to abandon the sinking Yugoslav ship likely to exist ITTL. Did the USS support Serbia and lighten the blow? What happened to South Africa? How'd Germany get Polish Pomerania?
So many questions. I haven't played the game so IDK much, I imagine most of the US stuff and the nukes are taken pretty directly from in-game lore?
[edit: how very like me to see a map of the whole world and immediately look at the Balkans and ask a thousand questions about a region that's probably the least important to both the TL and the writer]
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I often notice one minor mistake - new Union Treaty on the creation of Union of Sovereign States did not at all assume that state itself would be called that. According to treaty draft, from name of the USSR would only disappear word "Socialist", and instead it should have been called "Sovereign". So full name would be "Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics", and this also applies to the world of Cyberpunk, where USSR managed to go through reforms without falling apart.
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Thanks for the correction. Like I said, I'm not too familiar with the game (or the New Union Treaty) and just used the "AH colloquialism" if you will.
It's been a very long time since the last update in this series, but now the next 6 nations (Suriname - South Sudan) are done! (I will admit that it was hard to come up with South Sudan, and half-copied the idea, please check the original version out!)
I'm glad you like it!
The project is set on a fictional earth-like world, based on a map I got from an older version of this planet map generator. In retrospect, I'm a little sad that I didn't make the base map myself, but that might have worked out in my favor, since I have a frustrating tendency to keep going back and revising things. With the physical geography set in stone, I was free to focus on the human part of the world.
While the physical geography isn't mine, I've been working on creating all of the history and the cultures for this world. I still want to bring it to completion and make a thread for it, but I'm stuck dealing with the fact that Sarsaan, in its current state, is largely "breadth over depth". I have a (rough and tentative) timeline for this whole world going from the Bronze Age Collapse up until modern day, but I still have yet to describe a lot of cultures and events, and the sheer size of the world (in both space and time) makes that very daunting.
Another problem I'm having is that I don't quite know how to present what I'm making. My initial approach was to make a dry timeline of events, and later to use the familiar AH.com "history book format", but more recently I've drifted away from that style and tried to portray the world through vignettes. I want to make the world feel more lived-in and give the reader a better impression of what it's like to live in these otherworldly empires. That turned out to be a lot harder than I imagined it would be. My creative writing process needs some work. At the same time, I've been debating shying away from strict realism and adding some supernatural elements to the setting, but a wise man once said that perfection isn't when there's nothing left to be added, but when there's nothing left to be taken away, so to some extent it feels like adding "magic" would detract from the rest of the lore. Since you guys are basically the intended audience, I'd really like some feedback regarding what you think, and what you would want to see if I made a thread and tried to update it every couple of weeks.
BELOVED OTTOMANIA
The Modern Homeland of the Jews
In 1912, with the conclusion of the 1st Balkan War, the Ottoman Empire faced a coup led by radical Turkish nationalists under the gaze of Enver Pasha, seeking to destroy the fragile Ottoman democracy initiated after the 1908-09 Ottoman Revolution. Though they came close to disrupting the government, the coup failed, and Ottoman democracy, fragile as it was, managed to endure. Later that year, under the auspices of the ruling Liberal Union party, the 'Jewish Refugee Bill' was adopted into law. Intended to drive up the depleted manpower reserves of the Ottoman Empire after the disastrous loss of most of the Balkans, it was aimed to bring in Jewish immigration with incentives such as land and tax breaks, and freedom from anti-Semitism. This was an idealistic bill, as anti-Semitism certainly existed even among the Ottoman populace, but with the promise of full governmental backing and the economic incentives, slowly, but steadily, Jews started to trickle into the Ottoman Empire. As the Ottoman Empire remained neutral in WW1, the numbers increased, as Jews from Salonika and Bulgaria fled into the Ottoman Empire, wishing to rid themselves of the war. The Modern Homeland of the Jews
During the Interwar Era, new Aliyah's burst into the Ottoman Empire as Jews from the from the former Russian Empire fled into the Ottoman Empire fleeing from the Russian Civil War and the notoriously viciously anti-Semitic White Army. The rise of Anti-Semitism in Central Europe saw another new wave of Jewish immigrants, mostly from Germany, Austria and Czechia settle down in the Ottoman Empire as well. During WW2, the Ottoman Empire remained neutral until 1944-45, when they declared war on Germany to aid the Bulgarians and Greeks to destroy the last pockets of Nazis in Greece, Bulgaria and Macedonia. But, from 1940-44, the Ottomans conducted one of the most daring evacuations of the entire war, evacuating around ~75,000 Greek Jews (1/2 of the total Greek Jewish population of the time) from Greece under the guise of commercial ships and neutral ships with the silent support of the Greek Government in Exile. These Greek Jews were allowed to freely settle in Ottoman lands, and became the linchpin of the Greco-Ottoman Rapprochement after the Second World War.
The post-war baby boom affected the Jewish population of the Ottomans as well. Already swelling with Jewish refugees after WW2, their numbers began to grow alongside their Turkish, Arab, Armenian, Greek, Kurdish and Assyrian brethren that made up the majority of the Ottoman Empire's populace. In 2022, they number nearly 7 million Jews in the Ottoman Empire, who call their homeland 'Beloved Ottomania' in fondness of their homeland. Jews have been politically active in the Ottoman Empire as well, with two Jews serving as Grand Vizier (the Ottoman equivalent of Prime Minister/Chancellor/Minister-President), with David Ben-Gurion Pasha serving from 1952 to 1968, remembered as one of the greatest Ottoman Grand Viziers and Shulamit Aloni who served from 1992 - 2000 who held the proud honor of being the first female Head of Government in the Ottoman Empire. Though their population is small compared to the overall 226 million citizens who also call the Ottoman Empire their home, the Ottoman Jews have had a consequential history.
Thoughts?
I expect a lot of revolts from the Muslims who are watching with alarm as their overwhelming numerical supremacy is eroded by exceedingly generous Jewish immigration policies.BELOVED OTTOMANIAIn 1912, with the conclusion of the 1st Balkan War, the Ottoman Empire faced a coup led by radical Turkish nationalists under the gaze of Enver Pasha, seeking to destroy the fragile Ottoman democracy initiated after the 1908-09 Ottoman Revolution. Though they came close to disrupting the government, the coup failed, and Ottoman democracy, fragile as it was, managed to endure. Later that year, under the auspices of the ruling Liberal Union party, the 'Jewish Refugee Bill' was adopted into law. Intended to drive up the depleted manpower reserves of the Ottoman Empire after the disastrous loss of most of the Balkans, it was aimed to bring in Jewish immigration with incentives such as land and tax breaks, and freedom from anti-Semitism. This was an idealistic bill, as anti-Semitism certainly existed even among the Ottoman populace, but with the promise of full governmental backing and the economic incentives, slowly, but steadily, Jews started to trickle into the Ottoman Empire. As the Ottoman Empire remained neutral in WW1, the numbers increased, as Jews from Salonika and Bulgaria fled into the Ottoman Empire, wishing to rid themselves of the war.
The Modern Homeland of the Jews
During the Interwar Era, new Aliyah's burst into the Ottoman Empire as Jews from the from the former Russian Empire fled into the Ottoman Empire fleeing from the Russian Civil War and the notoriously viciously anti-Semitic White Army. The rise of Anti-Semitism in Central Europe saw another new wave of Jewish immigrants, mostly from Germany, Austria and Czechia settle down in the Ottoman Empire as well. During WW2, the Ottoman Empire remained neutral until 1944-45, when they declared war on Germany to aid the Bulgarians and Greeks to destroy the last pockets of Nazis in Greece, Bulgaria and Macedonia. But, from 1940-44, the Ottomans conducted one of the most daring evacuations of the entire war, evacuating around ~75,000 Greek Jews (1/2 of the total Greek Jewish population of the time) from Greece under the guise of commercial ships and neutral ships with the silent support of the Greek Government in Exile. These Greek Jews were allowed to freely settle in Ottoman lands, and became the linchpin of the Greco-Ottoman Rapprochement after the Second World War.
The post-war baby boom affected the Jewish population of the Ottomans as well. Already swelling with Jewish refugees after WW2, their numbers began to grow alongside their Turkish, Arab, Armenian, Greek, Kurdish and Assyrian brethren that made up the majority of the Ottoman Empire's populace. In 2022, they number nearly 7 million Jews in the Ottoman Empire, who call their homeland 'Beloved Ottomania' in fondness of their homeland. Jews have been politically active in the Ottoman Empire as well, with two Jews serving as Grand Vizier (the Ottoman equivalent of Prime Minister/Chancellor/Minister-President), with David Ben-Gurion Pasha serving from 1952 to 1968, remembered as one of the greatest Ottoman Grand Viziers and Shulamit Aloni who served from 1992 - 2000 who held the proud honor of being the first female Head of Government in the Ottoman Empire. Though their population is small compared to the overall 226 million citizens who also call the Ottoman Empire their home, the Ottoman Jews have had a consequential history.
Thoughts?
7 million out of 226 million is barely 3% of the population. In 1800, Jews made up ~10% of the Ottoman Population with around 40% being Christians. It's not 'eroding' anything, especially unlike OTL, Jews are being spread throughout the Empire instead of being concentrated in one region.
This sudden scenario kept me up at night. What if the Caspian and Black Seas switched places?
So how would the world look today geopolitically if this was the case (ignoring the huge butterflies on migration and climate)?
Some random thoughts:
- Scythians could hunker down on the shores of TTL!Caspian Sea.
- The Russians, if they're lucky ITTL, would be wanked.
- Operation Barbarossa would be choked at Poland, though it could mean the Nazis form a hard defensive line there to withstand the end of WW2.
- TL's Volga would be a real contender against the Mississippi in sheer size, imagine all that farmland
After a little longer than anticipated (RL got in the way), I've finally been able to finish and post the notes-and-key map for my last scenario. I'll admit it's mostly the same as last years, but there are plenty of changed details, especially in the notes. Go back and check it out.
@shearsforest has already helpfully explained, but I'll quote myself again for clarity;
Yup. Foreign depredations have whittled Iran down to its core territory. On the other hand, the coming Great War will provide plenty of opportunities to regain some lost ground ...
The eastern Kurds are currently protectorates at the western edge of TTL's mega-Raj (also including much of Central Asia, Tibet and western Indonesia).
I was thinking of that map as well, but I didn't quite want to go that far. Squares is bad enough.
@shearsforest has already helpfully explained, but I'll quote myself again for clarity;
Yup. Foreign depredations have whittled Iran down to its core territory. On the other hand, the coming Great War will provide plenty of opportunities to regain some lost ground ...
The eastern Kurds are currently protectorates at the western edge of TTL's mega-Raj (also including much of Central Asia, Tibet and western Indonesia).
I was thinking of that map as well, but I didn't quite want to go that far. Squares is bad enough.
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