Map Thread XVIII

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by FesteringSpore, Jul 28, 2018.

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  1. Aqua817 Eternally Exhausted

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    The Visitors don't see us as utter animals. If anything, the fact that we have nukes is enough to make them really feel like they have to at least humor us with pretending to see us as equals. However, the Visitors ultimately are not built for prolonged life in space. Yes, they have space stations that are essentially impervious but the constant tick of "what if" never goes away. Nothing in the cosmos matches going outside and just being able to breathe. Not having to worry about carbon count or radiation exposure. Just, being. Not to mention the rugged feeling of being somewhere not completely out of your control but not in it by any stretch either. Every being on a space station is designed. there is no mystery. There is no little quirks. A "little quirk" could kill millions. To put it another way, in a lot of fiction, aliens invade because they want earth's resources but see eveything else as scud. The Visitors, however, are here because of earth's beauty, not in spite of it, in hopes that they may one day be visitors no more. Which is also why humans are in the process of being off worlded. We would have killed the planet and everything on it. This is part of why the Visitors also arent too torn up about off-worlding us to stations or barren worlds. "They seem to like it better that way, anyway."
     
  2. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    Wouldn't that mean that most environmental protection supporters would work together with the Visitors?
     
  3. HowAboutThisForAName Manservant to Melon the Mischievous Mog

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    The 2016 Nagasaki General Election was fairly mundane, aside a notable increase in support for the Christian National Party and Chisuji, reflecting broader concerns about Nagasaki's relationship with the neighbouring Japanese Federation and the Kingdom of Portugal, the latter with whom they share a monarch (as well as the increasing number of evangelical protestants throughout the country, including an upset victory for the CNP on Takashima Island). Primary issues included state security, childcare reform, and the wider economic slowdown. Granted, the nation of some 1.2 million Nagasakinese had not been affected nearly so severely as in the neighbouring Japan, Shanghai or Korea, largely thanks to the good stewardship of the Popular Action Party. But with faltering growth and an unprecedented degree of Japanese migration occurring a push back against the party was widely seen as inevitable, with punters giving the PAP poor odds from the outset of the campaign season.
    Their main opposition, the Nagasaki Catholic Union, ran a conventional campaign spruiking their economic credentials and policy of strong borders. They vowed to limit legal migration and halt illegal entries, as well as ban the Chisuji organisation, which was well received by a general public infuriated about attacks by militant Japanese unionists on regular Nagasakinese and the PAP’s impotence in addressing it. However, this campaign was dulled somewhat by the intervention of Pope Alessandro (the former Archbishop of Nagasaki Saburo Cardoso), who preached a message of compassion and tolerance towards Japanese immigrants.
    Economic woes, calls for comprehensive childcare reform, and university funding disputes did lead to the emergence of the ‘New Democracy’ Party, built on the backs of students and middle class families, who won a single seat in Gotomachi, but this was by a slim margin to the incumbent NCU member.
    Though the victory was expected, and a coalition was formed with ease the following weeks would be marred with violence as Chisuji party members, angered by the coalition’s inclusion of the nationalist Free Nagasaki Party, started riots and attacked both FNP and NCU offices, particularly in the north of the country. This proved so endemic and widespread that the city of Saikai would be placed under martial law and northern border crossings closed for some weeks. This would mark an uptick in violence throughout the city state and an increasingly authoritarian government response in the years to come.

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    Just a quick scenario for a surviving Portuguese Nagasaki I’ve been wanting to do for a while, and not my best work. Feel free to ask questions. The title is from a quote by Alessandro Valignano, who was the head Jesuit priest appointed to oversee the introduction of Catholicism to Japan via Nagasaki and is in reference to his attempts to learn and preach in Japanese. The full quote reads: “This tongue is as easy and familiar as our own.” He was what the Catholic Church referred to as 'adaptionist'.

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  4. Aqua817 Eternally Exhausted

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    Eh, a lot of people work together with the visitors. A lot of staunch environmentalists arent a fan of the idea of aliens loose on the earth, mucking up our ecosystem.
     
  5. Thanosaekk Well-Known Member

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    Here is my map from MoTF 198, depicting the forced dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire after an alternate WW1:

     
  6. damein fisher This bad boy can fit so many maps in it

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  7. Sailor Haumea Liberal Hawk

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    The Federation of Yugoslavia, as of 2019:

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    And its constituent republics (Slovenia, Croatia, Slavonia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Bulgaria):

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    (Note: Slavonia is majority Slavonian, an ethnic group that IOTL are known as the Šokci. ITTL, they developed into a distinct ethnic group.)
     
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  8. Zrew33 Just Zrew..

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    Just thought I would share a little WIP that I've been doing. World is set in 2199, said WIP is set some 50ish years after the conclusion of the "Great War" or Eurasian War, which ended many nations.

    Quick overview

    Main points that are here is that Asia is seeing it's second "Golden" Era, having to rebuild itself in the conclusion of the conflict. China went though a democratic revolution followed by a communist coup not long after, here is the 2nd People's Republic of China.

    As China's control over Asia faltered for a while the India and Indonesia found itself centre stage, each exerting their influence over the region with Thailand's attempts of doing the same stifled by being stuck between them.

    With Europe, the European Federation came into being towards the later stage of the 21st century and has expanded its membership to the states in Northern Africa. Another note, the Sahara desert is home to vast banks of solar power, much of which is channelled to power the vast metropolis of North Africa and Europe. the EF found itself as a major player in the Eurasian War. As the European armies pushed the Eurasian (Note: Names are defiantly subject to change!) back they found themselves facing a wall of Nuclear fire, which had deployed to stop their advance. In short due to this event, with the addition of internal issues the Eurasian Collective eventually succumbed and collapsed leading to the states of Eurasia. The economic issue of the war, and the poor assistance from EF to help their associate states (such as Poland and the Baltic nations) lead to them leaving the European Sphere to create their own two blocs, one with the power located in Warsaw and the Other Keiv.

    Obvious, the backstory is subject to change where relevant as too the map itself, I just wanted to share and get people's opinions and critique.


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  9. B_Munro Member

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    Nicely done! It seems this is more densely populated than the same area OTL, having only a fraction of the area of OTL's Nagasaki Prefecture with almost as large a population (1.2 million to 1.35): it seems to me that Nagasaki city proper would take up more of the territory, unless it's some sort of City of London/London distinction with only a small part of a continuous built-up area being "the city."
     
  10. HowAboutThisForAName Manservant to Melon the Mischievous Mog

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    Thank you! Yes it is denser, as Nagasaki city IOTL isn't particularly dense at all; 1,000 people per km2. In Singapore it's 7,800, and Hong Kong it's 6,700, so there's definitely room to cram 'em in the existing space so far as I'm concerned, and with a long history of Portuguese investment and thoroughfare it makes sense to grow so large comparatively. I probably could have had more seats further north, and so more dispersion, but you can chalk that down to dense urban planning.

    EDIT: Oh, and I think part of the disparity can be explained by the fact I was using a WWII map as a base map, and obviously Nagasaki was a lot less built up then so I extrapolated from that period rather than modern maps. So there's that.
     
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  11. Iserlohn Amateur Cartographer

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    This is my personal take on an early Entente victory during the First World War.

    The Ottoman Empire, Bulgaria, and Romania also don't join the war, but Italy does, albeit too late for it to matter much. The war ends with Germany losing significant chunks of territory, almost all of its colonies (they keep most of Kamerun after some horsetrading involving the concession of German East Africa), and the Austro-Hungarian Empire drastically reduced in size.

    Russia and the Ottoman Empire use the remaining 1910s to reform themselves politically in an attempt to ensure greater internal stability. The Armenian Genocide is essentially diverted, though some attacks on Armenian communities still happen after the creation of the Armenian Autonomous Vilayet. These sorts of attacks and unhappyness with the relative slowness and gradualism in the Ottoman Empire leads to an increase in the Armenian diasphora. The Tsarist regime in Russia passes some legislative reforms, strenghtening the still weak Duma somewhat. Furthermore Russia (re-)creates several entities to exist within Russia, modeling them all on the Grand Duchy of Finland. These entitites are Poland, Lithuania, Courland, Georgia, and Armenia. A Ukranian entity was discussed, but thus far no actual legislation has been passed to create one (yet), mostly due to concerns about the borders of that Ukraine.

    In the spring of 1917, after a period of political instability, revolution broke out in Norway. Both in the bigger cities and in rural areas socialists quickly gain territory, arguing that the Norwegian government has failed to deal with the people's economic needs, critising the failure of the government in dealing with trade disruptions (mostly related to the Great War), as well as the war-time prohibition on alcohol (which wasn't lifted when the war officially ended in the summer of 1915) and a drastic increase in the wealth gap. By the end of the year the Kingdom of Norway was no more, and the Norwegian People's Republic, the world's first socialist state, had come into existence.

    The year now is 1930, fifteen years after the end of the Great War, and new challenges are on the horizon...
     
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  12. fernerdave on the boat now

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    Oooh! Does the Mackinac bridge also have a set of tracks?!?
     
  13. Andrew Boyd Resident Rail Enthusiast

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    Or a parallel bridge.
     
  14. RoxyLikeAPuma Member

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    Map of the provinces of the Commonwealth of America

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    After the French-and-Indian War, Great Britain takes possession of France's territories west of the Mississippi (which are much more populated than in OTL) instead of Spain. GBR then reorganizes the entirety of their North American colonies into North and South with the Ohio River, the Mason-Dixon, and the Potomac being the main demarcation lines.

    The American Revolution happens but is put down eventually as the North and the South are reluctant to join forces. The French Revolution still takes place and Napoleon still comes to power. During the Napoleonic Wars, the stress put on the colonies by the British causes the rebellion to start anew (largely spurned on the the sizable French minorities in both the North and the South), but it is put down in the North. In the South however the rebels have much more success and are eventually able to win their independence under General Andrew Jackson.

    Now the South is an independent presidential republic while the North (which includes most of modern day Canada) forms the Commonwealth of America.
     
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  15. Bomster Who is the spiciest memelord?

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    What’s going on in China?
     
  16. Iserlohn Amateur Cartographer

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    China was honestly a bit of an afterthought (same with South America, but naturally nobody feels the need to ask about that XD), so I did an extrapolation of the Beiyang Government vs. KMT-controlled Guangdong.
     
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  17. HeX Self-Proclaimed Disney Expert

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    I think you should probably have Maryland and maybe even Delaware included in Dixie. It may not seem like it today (I should know, considering I've lived in Maryland all my life), but before the American Civil War, Maryland was considered a firm part of the South, as much as Kentucky or Georgia. So if your POD is the French and Indian War, you can bet your britches Great Britain is putting tobacco-growing, slaveholding, south-of-the-Mason-Dixon-Line Maryland in with the rest of the South.

    Edit: Also, a few other nitpicks. Mormonism may not exist or will have a different rise to prominence in a TL with a POD in the 1750s, therefore Utah would probably be different. And cities out west like Flagstaff (founded in 1876) probably won't exist at all.

    But it's a great map, still.
     
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  18. ETGalaxy Long live the King of America!

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    Crosspost from MotF 198:
     
  19. CannedTech Red Demiurge Gone Fishin'

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    Made a supplemental map of Oceania from the wonderful map game Tossed Through Alternate History, headed up by @ChaosCron and contributed to by many. For the best context I recommend a read-through of the thread itself, but suffice to say there's ISOTs, spiritual presences are a major element, and it's a fairly dynamic world.

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  20. Viralworld Éirí Amach an Ghealach Donor

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    This is beautiful
     
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