Map Thread XVIII

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I've used that Doggerland patch myself quite a lot actually, does anyone know who the original author was? Have a map I've been working on that uses it but I'd like to credit them.

I don't really know, but I made a Doggerland patch myself a long time ago that you can use if you feel like it.

On the other hand, I tend to think, but don't take my word for it, that the person who did was in the group of one of the iterations of the worldas and so it's made to be public.
I don't really know, but I made a Doggerland patch myself a long time ago that you can use if you feel like it.

On the other hand, I tend to think, but don't take my word for it, that the person who did was in the group of one of the iterations of the worldas and so it's made to be public.
Thank you for that, I think I prefer your patch more so.

I know it's public, I was just curious about the original author
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Finland loses the winter war.

The Mannerheim line was renowned as unbreakable, and this reputation would be proven by the first months of the Winter War, but as the war went on Finland's situation was becoming dire, and on March 5 1940 the red army finally managed to break through, the situation was thight but maybe by pure luck, they managed to take the city of Vyborg within the next week, the finnish peace delegation which was proposing peace was refused, now confident, Stalin decided to keep the army fighting, and eventually, it won against a Finland on its last legs. By late April 1940, as Germany was invading Norway, Finland surrendered. The state's sovereignty was compromised and it was annexed into the Soviet Union as a SSR. In germany this finnish defeat was a dissapointment, but the trouble the red army had invading it was a proof of the inferiority of the Soviet Union.

The Border between the Soviet Union and Sweden would be extremely tense, in Sweden while the opinion was still mostly for peace, it became clear that the largest threat was the USSR and not Germany. This threat would materialze in May 1943 when the USSR, having inflicted important defeat to the germans, decided to take the important iron supply of germany, the mine of Kiruna, which extracted 90% of the iron in Europe. The mine would be taken by september despite an impressive showing by the swedish army. As Stalin didn't want to expense too much ressources attacking sweden the frontline would become frozen until the last months of the war in Sweden.

When Germany finally surrendered, the red army had firm control of large parts of Northern Norway and Sweden, at the Potsdam conference their fate was crucial. Stalin wanted the Kiruna mines as well as strategic ports like Narvik's, it would be a direct threat to the american control of the north atlantic, the red army also occupied sweden and norway as south as trondheim and Gävle and could easily keep them. Eventually a compromise was reached, the red army would retreat much further north, Sweden would become neutral and the USSR could carve a weirdly shapped region from Sweden and Norway that would contain mines and important ports. Svalbard would be annexed into the USSR and given to the Murmansk Oblast. Finally it would be decided that the northern half of the finnish lapland would be added to this state, mostly as a punishment for the failed Helsinki uprising in 1942 which diverted precious troops away from the frontline.

In this sparsely populated new state, most Swedes and Norwegian that didn't have their roots in the region and hadn't already fled during the war quickly fled. While Russians quickly settled in important towns and cities. However many finns and norwegians who had been living there for centuries stayed, to further keep them in check, Stalin decided to get the Samis, the indigenous population of Northern Scandinavia, who are traditionaly reindeer herder (but many lived in cities at the time), on their side. The Area was given the status of Autonomous SSR "dedicated" to the Samis, the few thousands of them living in the Murmansk Oblast were deported. In he new ASSR, Sami culture and identity was promoted, large fishing rights were taken away from Norwegians and given to Samis. Many Norwegians and Finns had however partial Sami Ancestry, just like many Samis also had Norwegian Ancestry, and this official policy pushed some to "reclaim" their identity, further alienating Norwegians and Finns. The Sami writing was standardised and it became a main language of teaching. The Result was a sami population that was a plurality in the ASSR, but also very heterogeneous, with more than half their population being of mixed ancestry, many who did not speak the language nativelly, and the standardisation of the language neglected the reality of the various dialect, many being only very slightly intelligible with others.

The ASSR had an important role during the cold war, the Soviet naval and submarine base was a direct threat to American control over the Northern Atlantic, and it was a central component that led to the Norwegian crisis in 1982, the threatening soviet presence also was a direct cause of the US' chrome dome operation in the north atlantic and the Husavik incident in 1965, during which a nuclear bomb fell and contaminated several dozen km² of land in Iceland, which would lead to its exit from NATO. Internally most of the development focused on military and the exploitation of the ASSR's ressources, mostly hydrological and mineral. These two would cuase problems however, the creation of several dams would flood signficiant parts of the country and force some Sami Herder out, who often had to leave the countryside. The intensive exploitation of the Kiruna (now named Badje-Sohppar after its northern Sami name) would cause a deadly mudslim that would claim the lives of 70 peoples in 1987.

Eventually the Iron Curtain fell and the Soviet Union collapsed, as an ASSR its status was a matter of debate, but after seeing the declaration of independace of Finland, and since it had its own identity and had signficiant ressources, it decided to become independant, although Russian presence in some naval bases was kept. Many Norwegians and the remaining swedes quickly left to their wealthier southern Neighbours. The 1990s had a chaotic politics, the transiton to a market economy was laborious, and conflict between the Russian, Sami and the small Norwegian and Finnish as well as within the diverse Sami population resulted in political gridlocks. This prevented the country from quickly integrating the european economy and EU contrary to some of the other post soviet states. Eventually in the early 2000s as the situation was becoming more stable it started to open itself an promote tourism, after a decade iit would become one of the main cornerstone of the country's small economy, and it became a candidate at European membership in 2011, with the process expected to end during the next decade. The country's population is one of the smallest in europe at 330,000 , and it is the least densely populated. Self Identified Samis make up nearly 140,000, most however are of mixed ancestry and live in cities. Most large cities are diverse, often having similar sized Sami and Russian/Ukrainian population and smaller norwegian and finnish populations, while the countryside is very sparsely populated, mostly by Samis.

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A map of the Governate of East Florida in the UAR-verse. Most of the population resides in the Greater San Agustin Metropolitan Area and the nearby Upper Rio San Juan area. The eastern coast as a whole is more populated than the western coast, with the Bahia del Espiritu Santo (Tampa Bay) area holding the only memorable concentration of people on East Florida's west coast.

Europe in 1938, just before the outbreak of the World War.

Blue indicates the Allied Powers, yellow indicates neutral powers, black indicates the Axis Powers, and red indicates the Soviet Union.

(Note: ITTL Spain never goes through the Spanish Civil War and stays a Republic.)
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This is my personal take on an early Entente victory during the First World War.

The Ottoman Empire, Bulgaria, and Romania also don't join the war, but Italy does, albeit too late for it to matter much. The war ends with Germany losing significant chunks of territory, almost all of its colonies (they keep most of Kamerun after some horsetrading involving the concession of German East Africa), and the Austro-Hungarian Empire drastically reduced in size.

Russia and the Ottoman Empire use the remaining 1910s to reform themselves politically in an attempt to ensure greater internal stability. The Armenian Genocide is essentially diverted, though some attacks on Armenian communities still happen after the creation of the Armenian Autonomous Vilayet. These sorts of attacks and unhappyness with the relative slowness and gradualism in the Ottoman Empire leads to an increase in the Armenian diasphora. The Tsarist regime in Russia passes some legislative reforms, strenghtening the still weak Duma somewhat. Furthermore Russia (re-)creates several entities to exist within Russia, modeling them all on the Grand Duchy of Finland. These entitites are Poland, Lithuania, Courland, Georgia, and Armenia. A Ukranian entity was discussed, but thus far no actual legislation has been passed to create one (yet), mostly due to concerns about the borders of that Ukraine.

In the spring of 1917, after a period of political instability, revolution broke out in Norway. Both in the bigger cities and in rural areas socialists quickly gain territory, arguing that the Norwegian government has failed to deal with the people's economic needs, critising the failure of the government in dealing with trade disruptions (mostly related to the Great War), as well as the war-time prohibition on alcohol (which wasn't lifted when the war officially ended in the summer of 1915) and a drastic increase in the wealth gap. By the end of the year the Kingdom of Norway was no more, and the Norwegian People's Republic, the world's first socialist state, had come into existence.

The year now is 1930, fifteen years after the end of the Great War, and new challenges are on the horizon...

Nice map. Was there a powerful socialist movement in Norway during that time or just a random cool AH idea?
Yes, actually. I don't have a good book I can reference here, but The Great War talked about it in brief during their special on Norway.
That’s pretty interesting, I wonder how socialist movements in other nations would be effected by socialism spawning not in Russia in the form of communism but in Norway in the form of what I assume to be democratic socialism. Perhaps without being in fear of the Soviet bear socialism is less dejected.
I don't really know, but I made a Doggerland patch myself a long time ago that you can use if you feel like it.

On the other hand, I tend to think, but don't take my word for it, that the person who did was in the group of one of the iterations of the worldas and so it's made to be public.

Where can I find that map? I'm too lazy to do the work myself.
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