Map Thread XI
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Ephraim Ben Raphael
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Not Quite Balkanized North America Part 4;
Previous Maps;
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=4743
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=275161&page=239
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=275161&page=241
As 1864 begins Hannibal Hamlin pursues a strategy of “victory in the east, then victory in west”. Using the reasoning that once the better part of the Confederate population and industry in the eastern half of the country have been captured the west and Caribbean will capitulate, he focuses resources and men on two fronts- the Mississippi Front and the Virginia Front. In the former General Grant pushes south with the goal of splitting the Confederacy in half, while in the latter General Fremont marches on Richmond intending to capture Virginia‘s capital. Despite winter slowing down operations, the Union still manages to roll forward. Grant takes Memphis from Albert Johnston and commences to chase him down the length of the Mississippi River and by the late spring he reaches as far as Vicksburg where Johnson is able to dig in and take advantage of reinforcements to decisively halt the Union army. In late April CS Brigadier General John B. Floyd launches a surprise assault on Fort Liberty, a Federal fort guarding a minor stretch of the Mississippi taken by Grant. The overstretched Northern garrison falls, allowing Floyd to cut off Grant’s supply line.
In the east Fremont beats Jackson at Manassas, and Culpepper, continuing on until he reaches Mechanisville where the overeager Union general is drawn into a trap and crushed. He escapes with a portion of his forces and withdraws north. Northern papers accuse Fremont of “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory” and Hamlin ultimately replaces him with General Joseph Hooker. Hooker however proves no more competent than his predecessor and his strategy of using prostitutes (nicknamed “Hooker’s girls”) to motivate his troops subjects him to ridicule in the north.
Other fighting in the east goes generally the Union’s way, Gen. Thomas Crittenden finishes off the CSA government of Kentucky and finally links up with Horace Mayard and the East Tennessee Militia, while Brig. Gen. Don Carlos Buell moves south from Nashville to Tullahoma. Crittenden will eventually take Knoxville and by the end of the year Chattanooga will be caught between the prongs of the Union Army as it converges from the east and west. In Missouri Colonel Lyon forces Price out of the state altogether and further west David Hunter- starved for men and munitions by the focus on other fronts- fights a series of successful actions against the combined Cherokee-Texan Army pushing into Kansas.
In the west California, Oregon, and Washington are essentially fighting alone. Eastern Utah Territory is entirely in the hands of the Brigam Young’s men and the Navoou Legion finally joins up with Baylor’s men who control most of New Mexico and Arizona, and parts of western Kansas and southern Utah. James Carleton takes the California Column back on the offensive as reinforcements arrives from all over the West Coast and successfully skirmishes with southern forces in the desert.
As the military situation ebbs and flows, politics rage north and south. In the USA it is an election year and Hamlin’s position is nowhere near as strong as he wants it to be. The recently admitted state of Kansas is followed by Oregon, both likely to vote for the president, and the Republicans form an alliance with war-Democrats forming the National Union Party to give Hamlin as strong a chance as possible. But two other major candidates take the field, governor Horatio Seymour of New York runs for the Democratic Party on a peace platform intended to capitalize on widespread discontent over the draft and Hamlin’s radicalism. Last but not least is John C. Fremont, the former senator and general who runs for the newly founded Radical Democracy Party (he did this in OTL). He campaigns on the promise of full political equality for blacks and an end to slavery in the union border states, while also criticizing Hamlin’s handling of the war. Although himself a radical Republican, the President has been forced to compromise on his beliefs to keep from losing the border states or the majority of his party, and many liberal Republicans rally behind Fremont. The administration desperately needs a visible, large victory but halfway through the year with the Republican vote split and the war muddling along it looks like Hamlin could end up a one term president.
Then things suddenly turn around.
In the Confederacy the half implementation of conscription only deepen regional rivalries and political division. North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas refuse to draft any men at all and only in Virginia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and Louisiana do the state governments fully co-operate with the national government. Alexander Stephens is hesitant to force states to contribute and as a consequence resentment builds between those who are sending conscripts to fight and those who won’t. Texas in particular is essentially operating independently of the rest of the CSA, sending some munitions east and not much else. Finally in June Stephens’ generals convince him that the war is not winnable without the entire country being behind it. Grant is cut off and Hooker is unable to make headway, if the Confederacy can effectively draw on the different state militias currently being held back then a series of major victories in the field are easily achievable- and might be just the thing to gain diplomatic recognition from Europe. The president orders the states to fall in line.
In response governor Brown of Georgia announces that Stephens has betrayed the Confederacy and is making himself a dictator. Georgia leaves the Confederacy, and is soon joined by North Carolina after governor Vance concurs with his counterpart. Both men firmly believe that states’ rights will carry the day, and with their states gone the national government in Columbia, South Carolina is now isolated from the rest of the CSA. Pendleton Murrah, the governor of Texas, sees that the rebellion is crumbling from within and makes a call. The CSA is losing and in no position to help Texas, whereas Texas and its Cherokee allies have yet to be decisively defeated in the field and now are starting to penetrate into Kansas. An independent Texan Republic could potentially negotiate a separate peace with the United States, preserving its sovereignty from the doom of the CSA. Murrah proclaims Texas to be independent, only for Governor-For-Life John Baylor of Arizona to refuse to join Texas, and subsequently Hannibal Hamlin refuses to negotiate a separate peace.
With the Confederacy in dissolution Hamlin’s political position improves tremendously. Grant retakes Fort Liberty without much trouble, and having secured his logistics heads south again. With the rebels disorganized and divided he’s able to capture Vicksburg and by the end of the year Union control reaches as far as New Orleans where Commodore Sloat’s forces take the city. Hooker continues to mess around, but despite his poor performance the political crisis in the CSA allows him to advance to the very gates of Richmond.
The election is a close one but Hamlin pulls through with a plurality of the popular vote and a majority of the electoral college.
Alexander Stephens resigns in a desperate hope to convince the seceding states to return to the fold, but they are no more interested in following Jefferson Davis’ leadership than they are his. Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, and Alabama form a rival Confederate government based in Montgomery that has no executive- a “true” confederacy. Fanatically pro-states' rights this new government is more concerned with ideology than pragmatism. At the same time the Texan Republic includes Texas and the Indian Territory. The rest of the CSA remains nominally loyal but operates virtually independent of the national government in Columbia which is on the verge of conflict with the government in Montgomery.
As has been the case thus far, the war in the Caribbean is one of the few bright spots for the rebels. French aid is still coming in, and with few Union supplies trickling down the anti-Confederate forces in Cuba are dealt a severe blow. In the Yucatan General Lee (he was finally promoted) wins virtually every battle against the Cruxob rebels and Union guerillas, but none of these battles are decisive and they continue to dance around eluding him. The most significant Confederate victory of 1864 is the Battle of Alajuela where William Walker annihilates virtually the entire Costa Rican Army under Juan Rafael Mora. By the year’s end he has occupied the entirety of the small Central American nation.
CSA forces in Cuba pledge loyalty to the Montgomery government, the rest espouse loyalty to Jefferson Davis and the “original” government. In the far west Baylor’s loyalty is little more than words, he’s been de facto independent since the start and that’s not going to change.
Previous Maps;
https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...postcount=4743
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=275161&page=239
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=275161&page=241
As 1864 begins Hannibal Hamlin pursues a strategy of “victory in the east, then victory in west”. Using the reasoning that once the better part of the Confederate population and industry in the eastern half of the country have been captured the west and Caribbean will capitulate, he focuses resources and men on two fronts- the Mississippi Front and the Virginia Front. In the former General Grant pushes south with the goal of splitting the Confederacy in half, while in the latter General Fremont marches on Richmond intending to capture Virginia‘s capital. Despite winter slowing down operations, the Union still manages to roll forward. Grant takes Memphis from Albert Johnston and commences to chase him down the length of the Mississippi River and by the late spring he reaches as far as Vicksburg where Johnson is able to dig in and take advantage of reinforcements to decisively halt the Union army. In late April CS Brigadier General John B. Floyd launches a surprise assault on Fort Liberty, a Federal fort guarding a minor stretch of the Mississippi taken by Grant. The overstretched Northern garrison falls, allowing Floyd to cut off Grant’s supply line.
In the east Fremont beats Jackson at Manassas, and Culpepper, continuing on until he reaches Mechanisville where the overeager Union general is drawn into a trap and crushed. He escapes with a portion of his forces and withdraws north. Northern papers accuse Fremont of “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory” and Hamlin ultimately replaces him with General Joseph Hooker. Hooker however proves no more competent than his predecessor and his strategy of using prostitutes (nicknamed “Hooker’s girls”) to motivate his troops subjects him to ridicule in the north.
Other fighting in the east goes generally the Union’s way, Gen. Thomas Crittenden finishes off the CSA government of Kentucky and finally links up with Horace Mayard and the East Tennessee Militia, while Brig. Gen. Don Carlos Buell moves south from Nashville to Tullahoma. Crittenden will eventually take Knoxville and by the end of the year Chattanooga will be caught between the prongs of the Union Army as it converges from the east and west. In Missouri Colonel Lyon forces Price out of the state altogether and further west David Hunter- starved for men and munitions by the focus on other fronts- fights a series of successful actions against the combined Cherokee-Texan Army pushing into Kansas.
In the west California, Oregon, and Washington are essentially fighting alone. Eastern Utah Territory is entirely in the hands of the Brigam Young’s men and the Navoou Legion finally joins up with Baylor’s men who control most of New Mexico and Arizona, and parts of western Kansas and southern Utah. James Carleton takes the California Column back on the offensive as reinforcements arrives from all over the West Coast and successfully skirmishes with southern forces in the desert.
As the military situation ebbs and flows, politics rage north and south. In the USA it is an election year and Hamlin’s position is nowhere near as strong as he wants it to be. The recently admitted state of Kansas is followed by Oregon, both likely to vote for the president, and the Republicans form an alliance with war-Democrats forming the National Union Party to give Hamlin as strong a chance as possible. But two other major candidates take the field, governor Horatio Seymour of New York runs for the Democratic Party on a peace platform intended to capitalize on widespread discontent over the draft and Hamlin’s radicalism. Last but not least is John C. Fremont, the former senator and general who runs for the newly founded Radical Democracy Party (he did this in OTL). He campaigns on the promise of full political equality for blacks and an end to slavery in the union border states, while also criticizing Hamlin’s handling of the war. Although himself a radical Republican, the President has been forced to compromise on his beliefs to keep from losing the border states or the majority of his party, and many liberal Republicans rally behind Fremont. The administration desperately needs a visible, large victory but halfway through the year with the Republican vote split and the war muddling along it looks like Hamlin could end up a one term president.
Then things suddenly turn around.
In the Confederacy the half implementation of conscription only deepen regional rivalries and political division. North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas refuse to draft any men at all and only in Virginia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and Louisiana do the state governments fully co-operate with the national government. Alexander Stephens is hesitant to force states to contribute and as a consequence resentment builds between those who are sending conscripts to fight and those who won’t. Texas in particular is essentially operating independently of the rest of the CSA, sending some munitions east and not much else. Finally in June Stephens’ generals convince him that the war is not winnable without the entire country being behind it. Grant is cut off and Hooker is unable to make headway, if the Confederacy can effectively draw on the different state militias currently being held back then a series of major victories in the field are easily achievable- and might be just the thing to gain diplomatic recognition from Europe. The president orders the states to fall in line.
In response governor Brown of Georgia announces that Stephens has betrayed the Confederacy and is making himself a dictator. Georgia leaves the Confederacy, and is soon joined by North Carolina after governor Vance concurs with his counterpart. Both men firmly believe that states’ rights will carry the day, and with their states gone the national government in Columbia, South Carolina is now isolated from the rest of the CSA. Pendleton Murrah, the governor of Texas, sees that the rebellion is crumbling from within and makes a call. The CSA is losing and in no position to help Texas, whereas Texas and its Cherokee allies have yet to be decisively defeated in the field and now are starting to penetrate into Kansas. An independent Texan Republic could potentially negotiate a separate peace with the United States, preserving its sovereignty from the doom of the CSA. Murrah proclaims Texas to be independent, only for Governor-For-Life John Baylor of Arizona to refuse to join Texas, and subsequently Hannibal Hamlin refuses to negotiate a separate peace.
With the Confederacy in dissolution Hamlin’s political position improves tremendously. Grant retakes Fort Liberty without much trouble, and having secured his logistics heads south again. With the rebels disorganized and divided he’s able to capture Vicksburg and by the end of the year Union control reaches as far as New Orleans where Commodore Sloat’s forces take the city. Hooker continues to mess around, but despite his poor performance the political crisis in the CSA allows him to advance to the very gates of Richmond.
The election is a close one but Hamlin pulls through with a plurality of the popular vote and a majority of the electoral college.
Alexander Stephens resigns in a desperate hope to convince the seceding states to return to the fold, but they are no more interested in following Jefferson Davis’ leadership than they are his. Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, and Alabama form a rival Confederate government based in Montgomery that has no executive- a “true” confederacy. Fanatically pro-states' rights this new government is more concerned with ideology than pragmatism. At the same time the Texan Republic includes Texas and the Indian Territory. The rest of the CSA remains nominally loyal but operates virtually independent of the national government in Columbia which is on the verge of conflict with the government in Montgomery.
As has been the case thus far, the war in the Caribbean is one of the few bright spots for the rebels. French aid is still coming in, and with few Union supplies trickling down the anti-Confederate forces in Cuba are dealt a severe blow. In the Yucatan General Lee (he was finally promoted) wins virtually every battle against the Cruxob rebels and Union guerillas, but none of these battles are decisive and they continue to dance around eluding him. The most significant Confederate victory of 1864 is the Battle of Alajuela where William Walker annihilates virtually the entire Costa Rican Army under Juan Rafael Mora. By the year’s end he has occupied the entirety of the small Central American nation.
CSA forces in Cuba pledge loyalty to the Montgomery government, the rest espouse loyalty to Jefferson Davis and the “original” government. In the far west Baylor’s loyalty is little more than words, he’s been de facto independent since the start and that’s not going to change.
Highly enjoying this series, the maps are quite excellent as well
Hmm, it's an interesting series (although I'm not sure what's going to prevent the Union from crushing its enemies in detail from this point forward), but I don't really like that big basemap: the overthick border lines combined with a lack of precision in some borders gives it a crude, unprofessional look to me.
Bruce
Zebra?
I didn't really like the name 'New Plymouth' so I decided to name it something a bit more exotic sounding. The HMS Zebra was nearby, in Australia a few years prior to the Treaty and I thought it could fit the bill, if it were to be stationed in New Zealand
Ok, here is the first of two scenarios in my Mongol vs Macedonian scenario.
This is the Alexandrian victory scenario. The Mongols are too slow to mobilise in Europe allowing hte Alexandrians to attack in Central Asia and India and promote an Islamic rebellion against their Mongol overlords, while the allied Romans soundly defeat Carthage as well as a mongolian advance on OTL Slovenia. Alexander has superior tactics and massacres many mongolian soldiers, leaving the empire exausted as the war and rebellion drag on, and after nearly a decade of warfare, they sue for peace. Alexander gains the former territories lost in central Asia and beyond, the caucasus, allowing the Caspian to be a Greek lake, southern steppe (otl Ukraine) and sovereignity over India. The sound defeat leads to the assassination of Mongke (the than ruler of the Khans) and a civil war where the Greeks are able to sieze Indochina and Burma, starting a hellenisation effort in that region as well, though not as successfully as elsewhere. Rebellions take their place, resulting in an independent neo-Jin dynasty in northern China and an independent Korea, which has started colonising the Japanese islands. The Muslims managed to take the remainder of Central Asia and the Russian steppe, converting the population by force to their religion, while bizzare elements begin to creep in as the birth of Mohammed has not yet occured, and movements are occuring where new claimed prophets are taking influence in the region. Also, this year Alexander finally dies, and a civil war is about to also tear apart the vast Greek Empire. The oppurtunistic Romans hope to take advantage of this situation in future. Red lines indicate the claims the new 'Caliphate' has on both Mongol and Alexandrian lands.
This is the Alexandrian victory scenario. The Mongols are too slow to mobilise in Europe allowing hte Alexandrians to attack in Central Asia and India and promote an Islamic rebellion against their Mongol overlords, while the allied Romans soundly defeat Carthage as well as a mongolian advance on OTL Slovenia. Alexander has superior tactics and massacres many mongolian soldiers, leaving the empire exausted as the war and rebellion drag on, and after nearly a decade of warfare, they sue for peace. Alexander gains the former territories lost in central Asia and beyond, the caucasus, allowing the Caspian to be a Greek lake, southern steppe (otl Ukraine) and sovereignity over India. The sound defeat leads to the assassination of Mongke (the than ruler of the Khans) and a civil war where the Greeks are able to sieze Indochina and Burma, starting a hellenisation effort in that region as well, though not as successfully as elsewhere. Rebellions take their place, resulting in an independent neo-Jin dynasty in northern China and an independent Korea, which has started colonising the Japanese islands. The Muslims managed to take the remainder of Central Asia and the Russian steppe, converting the population by force to their religion, while bizzare elements begin to creep in as the birth of Mohammed has not yet occured, and movements are occuring where new claimed prophets are taking influence in the region. Also, this year Alexander finally dies, and a civil war is about to also tear apart the vast Greek Empire. The oppurtunistic Romans hope to take advantage of this situation in future. Red lines indicate the claims the new 'Caliphate' has on both Mongol and Alexandrian lands.
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I proudly present Freehaven in 1908 v1.0 for the City Construction Game in shared worlds
I am sure that I will polish the map in the future but that is the map for now.
CLICK ME FOR BIG VERSION
I am sure that I will polish the map in the future but that is the map for now.
CLICK ME FOR BIG VERSION
I proudly present Freehaven in 1908 v1.0 for the City Construction Game in shared worlds
I am sure that I will polish the map in the future but that is the map for now.
Wow
What polishing is there to do?
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Kaiphranos
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Given how rarely I visit that part of the Board, I mean it as the highest compliment when I say your map almost tempts me to go find out what the game's all about.
This map, and the gorgeous plat in the thread, and absolutely some of the best things I've seen on this site in ages.I proudly present Freehaven in 1908 v1.0 for the City Construction Game in shared worlds
I am sure that I will polish the map in the future but that is the map for now.
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/294/9/6/freehaven_by_pischinovski-d6rbkbv.png
Alex Richards
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I proudly present Freehaven in 1908 v1.0 for the City Construction Game in shared worlds
I am sure that I will polish the map in the future but that is the map for now.
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Hot Damn that's good.
And here is the Mongol scenario. They and Carthage manage to conquer Macedonia and Rome and trash them up, with the Mongols forming a collosal empire, but at a high human cost, even allowing the muslim subjects to go to Arabia to form their own nation. But the nation is only a matter of time from going down the books of history anyway.
So, what could the post-collapse look like given the demographics of things?
So, what could the post-collapse look like given the demographics of things?
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Dorozhand
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I proudly present Freehaven in 1908 v1.0 for the City Construction Game in shared worlds
I am sure that I will polish the map in the future but that is the map for now.
CLICK ME FOR BIG VERSION
This warms my heart. All the time I spent playing Simcity is coming back to me
Like my previous post this is a small plausibility check regarding some adjusted borders for a TL I am planning. Now this one is a little bit more controversial but I am looking for feedback on whether the demographics, terrain etc. are realistic.
ITTL Palestine has slightly less pre-war Jewish migration due to stricter control by the British government and greater acceptance for the early Inter-War period by European governments. Post war [1947] roughly the OTL situation develops as the built up difference in migration compared to OTL moves to Palestine. Without the UN existing the British propose a partition plan roughly similar to the borders in the "modern day" map below, namely separate states of Palestine and Israel. [Zionism is less common in the British government ITTL but still powerful] The state of Israel becomes fully independent and initially aligns with the Soviet Union, later the USA. Palestine becomes initially a semi-dominion kind of state and retains significant British investment and interest.
The two states do go to war once or twice but they are roughly evenly balanced and in the "modern era" are settled in their borders. Anyways after my little lecture - are they realistic borders
EDIT - And after all that sorry for a stupidly small map.
ITTL Palestine has slightly less pre-war Jewish migration due to stricter control by the British government and greater acceptance for the early Inter-War period by European governments. Post war [1947] roughly the OTL situation develops as the built up difference in migration compared to OTL moves to Palestine. Without the UN existing the British propose a partition plan roughly similar to the borders in the "modern day" map below, namely separate states of Palestine and Israel. [Zionism is less common in the British government ITTL but still powerful] The state of Israel becomes fully independent and initially aligns with the Soviet Union, later the USA. Palestine becomes initially a semi-dominion kind of state and retains significant British investment and interest.
The two states do go to war once or twice but they are roughly evenly balanced and in the "modern era" are settled in their borders. Anyways after my little lecture - are they realistic borders
EDIT - And after all that sorry for a stupidly small map.
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