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Continued from here.
Now its 1933, and the revolutions have succeeded throughout Europe. First it was the German Empire to fall, it is now called the Federation of Socialist Republics. Then fell the Triple Monarchy, now the Union of Socialist States of the Danube. Then the Reds won their war in Russia, forming the Federation of Soviet Socialist Republics. Finally, the Third Republic fell, and the Fourth French Republic rose to take its place. Over the course of these revolutions, the Bourgeoisie fled the continent, going to the UK and Italy mainly, then onwards to the British Dominions or the United States or Brazil or, in the case of the French, to Algeria, now the site of the Third French Republic in Exile. The Neutral Republic of Alsace has been (democratically, bloodlessly) re-branded the International Worker's Republic of Alsace.
Following the establishment of new Red states, they have begun prosecuting the global revolution, funding left wing groups across the globe, but in Europe in particular. The FSR has absorbed the Netherlands and Luxembourg, while France has done the same to Belgium and Monaco. The International League of Communist States (ILCS) has become quite the power bloc on the geopolitical stage.
Across the Atlantic, the lower classes (blacks, other minorities, and a very large portion of whites) rose up against the Planter Bourgeoisie Rulers of the CSA (few of them were actually plantation owners at the time, but the image of them owning huge tracts of land and underpaying legions of blacks was a powerful one). They have since established the Confederation of Egalitarian Communes of America (CECA). The United States, at the time of the revolution, was elated, and supplied arms to the revolutionaries, expecting them to join the USA and live the American Dream. Too late did they realise the left wing tendencies of a large portion of the rebels. Now, it is unsure on how to deal with the rapidly industrialising red menace on its doorstep.
In Spain, the monarchy was almost overthrown, but the situation spiralled into a civil war between the monarchists and the republicans. The republican effort has since been hijacked by communists and socialists of various stripes, while there is also a Syndicalist uprising in Catalonia and Aragon. The ILCS, and France in particular, is considering intervention. Meanwhile, Italy and Greece have fallen to an entirely different kind of extremism, Labrianism espouses the values of a militaristic society, drawn along the lines of Romano-Hellenic civilisation. It is nationalist, xenophobic, and highly anti-socialist. The Labrians are aware that their time is most likely limited, so they are rapidly expanding their military capability, and building vast fortifications along their natural frontiers. Fortunately for them, they have support from Portugal (which is only moderately more safe from the Red horde, even then, only temporarily, and Brazil).
In Britain, King Edward VIII overstepped his constitutional role as monarch when he made a scathing comment about the leader of the Labour party, who had just recently been elected. The Labour leader interpreted the comment as a refusal to invite him to become Prime Minister, and things escalated from there and became quite violent, quite quickly, and the King was eventually assassinated. In the end, the leader of the Conservative Party was invited, by King George VI, to become leader, in coalition with the British Union of Labrians and the Liberal Party, of a Wartime National Government. The flight of the more fearful Bourgeoisie and Aristocracy has already begun.
China has taken the opportunity to seize back many of the treaty ports and regain influence in its own realm. It has resisted attacking the British Empire, for the time being, until it is sure that it will not bite back, twice as hard. The Emperor is patient.
Now its 1933, and the revolutions have succeeded throughout Europe. First it was the German Empire to fall, it is now called the Federation of Socialist Republics. Then fell the Triple Monarchy, now the Union of Socialist States of the Danube. Then the Reds won their war in Russia, forming the Federation of Soviet Socialist Republics. Finally, the Third Republic fell, and the Fourth French Republic rose to take its place. Over the course of these revolutions, the Bourgeoisie fled the continent, going to the UK and Italy mainly, then onwards to the British Dominions or the United States or Brazil or, in the case of the French, to Algeria, now the site of the Third French Republic in Exile. The Neutral Republic of Alsace has been (democratically, bloodlessly) re-branded the International Worker's Republic of Alsace.
Following the establishment of new Red states, they have begun prosecuting the global revolution, funding left wing groups across the globe, but in Europe in particular. The FSR has absorbed the Netherlands and Luxembourg, while France has done the same to Belgium and Monaco. The International League of Communist States (ILCS) has become quite the power bloc on the geopolitical stage.
Across the Atlantic, the lower classes (blacks, other minorities, and a very large portion of whites) rose up against the Planter Bourgeoisie Rulers of the CSA (few of them were actually plantation owners at the time, but the image of them owning huge tracts of land and underpaying legions of blacks was a powerful one). They have since established the Confederation of Egalitarian Communes of America (CECA). The United States, at the time of the revolution, was elated, and supplied arms to the revolutionaries, expecting them to join the USA and live the American Dream. Too late did they realise the left wing tendencies of a large portion of the rebels. Now, it is unsure on how to deal with the rapidly industrialising red menace on its doorstep.
In Spain, the monarchy was almost overthrown, but the situation spiralled into a civil war between the monarchists and the republicans. The republican effort has since been hijacked by communists and socialists of various stripes, while there is also a Syndicalist uprising in Catalonia and Aragon. The ILCS, and France in particular, is considering intervention. Meanwhile, Italy and Greece have fallen to an entirely different kind of extremism, Labrianism espouses the values of a militaristic society, drawn along the lines of Romano-Hellenic civilisation. It is nationalist, xenophobic, and highly anti-socialist. The Labrians are aware that their time is most likely limited, so they are rapidly expanding their military capability, and building vast fortifications along their natural frontiers. Fortunately for them, they have support from Portugal (which is only moderately more safe from the Red horde, even then, only temporarily, and Brazil).
In Britain, King Edward VIII overstepped his constitutional role as monarch when he made a scathing comment about the leader of the Labour party, who had just recently been elected. The Labour leader interpreted the comment as a refusal to invite him to become Prime Minister, and things escalated from there and became quite violent, quite quickly, and the King was eventually assassinated. In the end, the leader of the Conservative Party was invited, by King George VI, to become leader, in coalition with the British Union of Labrians and the Liberal Party, of a Wartime National Government. The flight of the more fearful Bourgeoisie and Aristocracy has already begun.
China has taken the opportunity to seize back many of the treaty ports and regain influence in its own realm. It has resisted attacking the British Empire, for the time being, until it is sure that it will not bite back, twice as hard. The Emperor is patient.
Interesting!
wondering how much more expansive the network of people would be come the Houtmanian Exchange
Likely a lot, but it won't be after Houtmanian exchange that they'll be of any impact upon even Indonesia. So no Great Raid stuff. At least before Houtmanian exchange....
Another update of my wank Italy. Here's the situation at the early 50's.
- At the end, Germany and the Axis collapsed. After freeing Algeria from Morocco and Tunisia, the Americans sent divisions in Central Italy, liberating the North and allowing the peninsula to be more industrially efficient; however, the Germans created a defensive network on the Alpes. The Allies then landed in Greece, starting a liberation of the Balkans, and in 1944 a fourth front was opened in Normandy. Liberated France, the Italians broke the German defenses and entered in Greater Serbia and in Austria. At the end, Germany capitulated and so Japan followed as well.
- Roosevelt tried to contain the Italian ambitions at Yalta, but after his death Truman allowed Rome to be more aggressive in its claim to create a strong buffer in Europe against the Soviets. Reaching an agreement with Stalin, the Italian sphere of influence extended till the Danube and the Euphrates.
- Turkey was pratically destroyed, with Greece finally achieving its dreams of Magna Hellas, the Italians which created a "state of Armenia Minor", which was a praetext to create a buffer state and close any naval access to Ankara. Serbia and Bulgaria were cut in size as well. Croatia and Albania, being their royal families in disarray, still tied with the Italian royal family, were integrated in the peninsular kingdom. Also the Alpine Italian regions of Switzerland and Tyrol were integrated into Italy. Austria, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey were all under Italian jurisdiction.
- In Far East, Thailand's Empire was destroyed. Thailand proper, being so diffused the Italian language, was granted under temporal control of Rome, and so Cambodia, which was surely more stable than near Laos, granted to France but soon involved in the Communist fight in Vietnam. Meanwhile, Italy contributed actively in the Korean War, considering it shared with the USA the occupation of Japan. Despite retrieving the Philippines, Rome started to promote the process of indipendence of the archipelago.
- Also in the Middle East Italy after the war granted full indipendence to Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, which formed the Arab League under good omens of Rome. Italy however kept control of Palestine, which the Arabs tolerated because it slowed the process of immigration of the Hebrews in the region. In fact, Italy always refused to recognize the Balfour declaration, despite after the conflict tolerated the return of European Hebrews in the Holy Land, but still less than OTL. The Arab League tolerated the Italian domination to prevent the rise of a Hebrew nation, so Israel never rise. Consequently, there were the Hebrews to organize terroristic and paramilitary organizations in the attempt to retake the land. On the other side, being a permanent member of the Council of Security, Italy always used the veto over decisions regarding the region.
The next map should show the decolonization period.
- At the end, Germany and the Axis collapsed. After freeing Algeria from Morocco and Tunisia, the Americans sent divisions in Central Italy, liberating the North and allowing the peninsula to be more industrially efficient; however, the Germans created a defensive network on the Alpes. The Allies then landed in Greece, starting a liberation of the Balkans, and in 1944 a fourth front was opened in Normandy. Liberated France, the Italians broke the German defenses and entered in Greater Serbia and in Austria. At the end, Germany capitulated and so Japan followed as well.
- Roosevelt tried to contain the Italian ambitions at Yalta, but after his death Truman allowed Rome to be more aggressive in its claim to create a strong buffer in Europe against the Soviets. Reaching an agreement with Stalin, the Italian sphere of influence extended till the Danube and the Euphrates.
- Turkey was pratically destroyed, with Greece finally achieving its dreams of Magna Hellas, the Italians which created a "state of Armenia Minor", which was a praetext to create a buffer state and close any naval access to Ankara. Serbia and Bulgaria were cut in size as well. Croatia and Albania, being their royal families in disarray, still tied with the Italian royal family, were integrated in the peninsular kingdom. Also the Alpine Italian regions of Switzerland and Tyrol were integrated into Italy. Austria, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey were all under Italian jurisdiction.
- In Far East, Thailand's Empire was destroyed. Thailand proper, being so diffused the Italian language, was granted under temporal control of Rome, and so Cambodia, which was surely more stable than near Laos, granted to France but soon involved in the Communist fight in Vietnam. Meanwhile, Italy contributed actively in the Korean War, considering it shared with the USA the occupation of Japan. Despite retrieving the Philippines, Rome started to promote the process of indipendence of the archipelago.
- Also in the Middle East Italy after the war granted full indipendence to Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, which formed the Arab League under good omens of Rome. Italy however kept control of Palestine, which the Arabs tolerated because it slowed the process of immigration of the Hebrews in the region. In fact, Italy always refused to recognize the Balfour declaration, despite after the conflict tolerated the return of European Hebrews in the Holy Land, but still less than OTL. The Arab League tolerated the Italian domination to prevent the rise of a Hebrew nation, so Israel never rise. Consequently, there were the Hebrews to organize terroristic and paramilitary organizations in the attempt to retake the land. On the other side, being a permanent member of the Council of Security, Italy always used the veto over decisions regarding the region.
The next map should show the decolonization period.
Interesting. No Chinese zone? And that's a pretty large Soviet zone; did Operation Downfall fail or get badly bogged down or something?
Nasty situation: given the Titan's general support for the "destroy all humans" forces, one wonders where the Atlanteans have left their brains...so why are the Gods largely absent? "Letting humans sort out their own problems", given their requirement of human worship, seems needlessly suicidal.
(I'm hoping we see some action from the horse riding humans: perhaps they can sweep in and do a little Mongol-ing or at least Hun-ing on the Beast-men in Greece
They've got some high-class shamans of their own, I'd suspect).Bruce
Basic sum-up of Centuries of Shadow on the verge of the 20th century.
The POD is relatively small, with the Somersett Case of 1770 taking a different route. Slavery was banned in Britain and Ireland itself but a form of neo-serfdom was permissable. Over the decades, unfree labour has expanded in importance, adapting to the demands of the Industrial Revolution. Debt bondage, the concept of selling oneself into the security of serfdom, the wealth and prestige that was possible if you gained villein status, turned the mass of working poor into an owned resource that would make Marxists cry out in pain. The Enlightenment was throttled in its cradle, would-be republican abolitionists squashed in North America in the 1820s, the French Revolution settled by compromise that ultimately allowed the King to reclaim much of his power from the parlements, and aristocrats retain much of the power around the world.
The most powerful of the world's empires is the British Empire, known officially as the Empire of the Britons. Britain makes no pretence that its empire exists for a civilising purpose, loudly espousing the superiority of the white man (ironically somewhat broader a category than OTL's Empire). The Empire is dominated by corporate interests, the most powerful of which is the Royal Africa Company and the British Pacific Company. The integration of Overseas Corporate Provinces has added the voices of MPs in the pocket of the colonial corporations to Parliament, and as the Empire has grown, they have come to dominate discussions and have established an imperial consensus. Smaller corporations are the Hudson's Bay and Arctic Company, and the East India Company. Slavery in various forms is ubiquitous across the Empire, and parts of British Africa are positively empty, being opened up to white and Arab settlement. There is a strict Imperial caste system which favours the aristocracy, a mercantile elite, and the military. Caste mixing is severely discouraged. Sexually and religiously, Britain is far more permissive and throughout the Augustine Age, Britain has developed a reputation for decadence and hedonism. The influx of Arabs into British society has caused growth of Islam across the Empire, and female suffrage has been allowed. Strict property qualifications are still enforced however. The Empire has erected strong trade walls around herself and the landowning aristocracy has hence grown enormously wealthy and powerful. The monarchy retains a position of power it had long since shed in our world, and under Emperor Ernest Augustus II, various members of the Royal Family sit in the House of Lords. The Empire has long taken an aloof, detached view of Europe but recent events may draw her into the mounting tensions.
The British Empire is a leading member of the Imperial Alliance, which includes the Empire of All the Russias and the Portuguese Empire. The Russians adapted their current system of servitude to industrialism in a similar fashion to the British, and have radicalised from simple feudalism to a more centralised Orthodox theocracy. They are uncomfortable with Britain's social liberalism and some of the habits they have picked up from their African subjects but the two empire have few if any territorial disagreements and agree that the Europeans are weak and soft, that the right sort of people should rule, and that freedom is an over-rated concept. The Tsars kept going south in this world, and without Britain to halt them in Afghanistan, they have annexed Persia. From there, the Russians have purchased islands in the Indian Ocean and agreed a protectorate over Ethiopia. Russia is more liberal than the British when it comes to race, and her class system is more fluid. But in terms of religion they are extremely ferocious and have enthusiastically persecuted Muslims and Buddhists throughout their empire and sphere of influence. The other member of the Imperials, Portugal is the least extreme of the three. They maintain a strong slave trade which brings profits to Britain as well, and the Portuguese African colonies are also becoming home to white colonists wanting to strike it rich outside the motherland. Portugal is a more traditional absolute monarchy, in stark contrast to the corporate aristocracy of Britain and the theocracy of Russia. Serfdom is rare in Portugal's empire, as the numbers of slaves are so great, its hardly worth bothering. Lusitanic Catholicism is aggressively encouraged and thrust upon the Empire's inhabitants, but not nearly to the same extent as in Russia. The excommunication of Portugal when the Papacy fled to Spain after the Germanic Wars allowed Portugal to take their own path which has lead to Lusitanic Catholicism closely mirroring Vodou in many respects. The dead and death are venerated to an extent that somewhat worries the life-loving Britons.
Europe has for the last century enjoyed peace and prosperity under the auspices of the Congress of Europe. Tensions exist but wars are waged outside Europe, in the colonies. France is the strongest member of the Congress, and is Britain's greatest enemy. Her colonisation of Africa was mostly motivated by the pursuit and destruction of slavery, and the containment of the Royal Africa Company and its Shartry Legions. Other members of the Congress include the Empire of the Spanish, the Kingdom of Italians, and the Empire of Hungary-Austria. One of the main things which keeps the Congress united is fear and hatred of the Imperials, and fear and hatred of the German nation. The Germanic Wars convinced all of Europe that Germany should not be allowed to exist as a nation, and the Congress meets regularly to ensure that unification does not come about. The decline of the Ottomans in Europe (as opposed to Asia where they are doing well) has however distracted them, and growing calls for German reunification are being foolishly dismissed as the wails of a minority. Spain has a loose confederal empire and suffered at the hands of Britain and France earlier in the century. But the Empire has seen a resurgence and is now one of the world's truly Great Powers.
Beyond Europe, other powers exist. India gears up for war as the Moghuls turn from their pursuits in Central Asia and look once more to India to reclaim the lost glory of Araungzeb, inevitably seeking conflict with the loose and vaguely democratic Marathan Confederacy. Japan seeks to imitate the Europeans and has ambitions of ruling as hegemon over all of Asia. China is divided between a foreign influenced, progressive coastal region and a xenophobic, traditionalist interior, and the showdown between the two could decide who emerges from the 20th century the premier power of the world.
War is coming to Europe, and soon to the world. As the Ottomans withdraw from Europe the Congress scrabble over the pieces, and squabble amongst themselves. Germany is re-emerging as an nationality, and the power of nationalist movements is ignored in Paris and Madrid. The Imperial Alliance is increasingly concerned with the activities of extremely anti German Hungarians, and as the map of the world is filled in, smaller powers are eagerly looking for their 'place in the sun'...
The POD is relatively small, with the Somersett Case of 1770 taking a different route. Slavery was banned in Britain and Ireland itself but a form of neo-serfdom was permissable. Over the decades, unfree labour has expanded in importance, adapting to the demands of the Industrial Revolution. Debt bondage, the concept of selling oneself into the security of serfdom, the wealth and prestige that was possible if you gained villein status, turned the mass of working poor into an owned resource that would make Marxists cry out in pain. The Enlightenment was throttled in its cradle, would-be republican abolitionists squashed in North America in the 1820s, the French Revolution settled by compromise that ultimately allowed the King to reclaim much of his power from the parlements, and aristocrats retain much of the power around the world.
The most powerful of the world's empires is the British Empire, known officially as the Empire of the Britons. Britain makes no pretence that its empire exists for a civilising purpose, loudly espousing the superiority of the white man (ironically somewhat broader a category than OTL's Empire). The Empire is dominated by corporate interests, the most powerful of which is the Royal Africa Company and the British Pacific Company. The integration of Overseas Corporate Provinces has added the voices of MPs in the pocket of the colonial corporations to Parliament, and as the Empire has grown, they have come to dominate discussions and have established an imperial consensus. Smaller corporations are the Hudson's Bay and Arctic Company, and the East India Company. Slavery in various forms is ubiquitous across the Empire, and parts of British Africa are positively empty, being opened up to white and Arab settlement. There is a strict Imperial caste system which favours the aristocracy, a mercantile elite, and the military. Caste mixing is severely discouraged. Sexually and religiously, Britain is far more permissive and throughout the Augustine Age, Britain has developed a reputation for decadence and hedonism. The influx of Arabs into British society has caused growth of Islam across the Empire, and female suffrage has been allowed. Strict property qualifications are still enforced however. The Empire has erected strong trade walls around herself and the landowning aristocracy has hence grown enormously wealthy and powerful. The monarchy retains a position of power it had long since shed in our world, and under Emperor Ernest Augustus II, various members of the Royal Family sit in the House of Lords. The Empire has long taken an aloof, detached view of Europe but recent events may draw her into the mounting tensions.
The British Empire is a leading member of the Imperial Alliance, which includes the Empire of All the Russias and the Portuguese Empire. The Russians adapted their current system of servitude to industrialism in a similar fashion to the British, and have radicalised from simple feudalism to a more centralised Orthodox theocracy. They are uncomfortable with Britain's social liberalism and some of the habits they have picked up from their African subjects but the two empire have few if any territorial disagreements and agree that the Europeans are weak and soft, that the right sort of people should rule, and that freedom is an over-rated concept. The Tsars kept going south in this world, and without Britain to halt them in Afghanistan, they have annexed Persia. From there, the Russians have purchased islands in the Indian Ocean and agreed a protectorate over Ethiopia. Russia is more liberal than the British when it comes to race, and her class system is more fluid. But in terms of religion they are extremely ferocious and have enthusiastically persecuted Muslims and Buddhists throughout their empire and sphere of influence. The other member of the Imperials, Portugal is the least extreme of the three. They maintain a strong slave trade which brings profits to Britain as well, and the Portuguese African colonies are also becoming home to white colonists wanting to strike it rich outside the motherland. Portugal is a more traditional absolute monarchy, in stark contrast to the corporate aristocracy of Britain and the theocracy of Russia. Serfdom is rare in Portugal's empire, as the numbers of slaves are so great, its hardly worth bothering. Lusitanic Catholicism is aggressively encouraged and thrust upon the Empire's inhabitants, but not nearly to the same extent as in Russia. The excommunication of Portugal when the Papacy fled to Spain after the Germanic Wars allowed Portugal to take their own path which has lead to Lusitanic Catholicism closely mirroring Vodou in many respects. The dead and death are venerated to an extent that somewhat worries the life-loving Britons.
Europe has for the last century enjoyed peace and prosperity under the auspices of the Congress of Europe. Tensions exist but wars are waged outside Europe, in the colonies. France is the strongest member of the Congress, and is Britain's greatest enemy. Her colonisation of Africa was mostly motivated by the pursuit and destruction of slavery, and the containment of the Royal Africa Company and its Shartry Legions. Other members of the Congress include the Empire of the Spanish, the Kingdom of Italians, and the Empire of Hungary-Austria. One of the main things which keeps the Congress united is fear and hatred of the Imperials, and fear and hatred of the German nation. The Germanic Wars convinced all of Europe that Germany should not be allowed to exist as a nation, and the Congress meets regularly to ensure that unification does not come about. The decline of the Ottomans in Europe (as opposed to Asia where they are doing well) has however distracted them, and growing calls for German reunification are being foolishly dismissed as the wails of a minority. Spain has a loose confederal empire and suffered at the hands of Britain and France earlier in the century. But the Empire has seen a resurgence and is now one of the world's truly Great Powers.
Beyond Europe, other powers exist. India gears up for war as the Moghuls turn from their pursuits in Central Asia and look once more to India to reclaim the lost glory of Araungzeb, inevitably seeking conflict with the loose and vaguely democratic Marathan Confederacy. Japan seeks to imitate the Europeans and has ambitions of ruling as hegemon over all of Asia. China is divided between a foreign influenced, progressive coastal region and a xenophobic, traditionalist interior, and the showdown between the two could decide who emerges from the 20th century the premier power of the world.
War is coming to Europe, and soon to the world. As the Ottomans withdraw from Europe the Congress scrabble over the pieces, and squabble amongst themselves. Germany is re-emerging as an nationality, and the power of nationalist movements is ignored in Paris and Madrid. The Imperial Alliance is increasingly concerned with the activities of extremely anti German Hungarians, and as the map of the world is filled in, smaller powers are eagerly looking for their 'place in the sun'...
Quick query if I may - could you please have a look at this map and, ignoring the other nations and features, please tell me if the borders I have given the independent Quebec are reasonable in terms of language, geography ect.
Background to help is that independence is gained around 1940.
Background to help is that independence is gained around 1940.
Nasty situation: given the Titan's general support for the "destroy all humans" forces, one wonders where the Atlanteans have left their brains...so why are the Gods largely absent? "Letting humans sort out their own problems", given their requirement of human worship, seems needlessly suicidal.
(I'm hoping we see some action from the horse riding humans: perhaps they can sweep in and do a little Mongol-ing or at least Hun-ing on the Beast-men in Greece
Bruce
The Atlanteans are on the Titans good side, their leader is basically a demi-god anyway and could probably go head to head with a Telkine. Atlantis feels betrayed by the Olympians when their homeland was sunken into the sea. So they want to avenge their homeland.
So the Atlanteans have basically been blinded by hate, believing themselves to be superior humans anyway... The rest might as well just die. One wonders what would happen if (God-form) Arkantos knew what his Titan worshipping son was up to now...
As for the gods not helping the humans that much. I'm using the Titan Quest plot that communications with the gods have come to a halt thanks to the Telkine's very, very fast attacks on the Greeks. The subsequent genocide weakened the gods, as they indeed rely on worshippers for their power.
Basically they were informed too late... By now they know whats going on and try to salvage the situation. They have interfered in some places but they are to weak to rain down lightning, or something like that without weakening themselves to much. Issis for example sacrificed her own godly powers to create a second Nile for the Levantine Pharaoh, allowing them to rebuild a powerbase to take back Egypt.
The next map, 'Age of Man' will show the gods actually abandoning humanity as they start to grow more powerful themselves. Magic has returned and humanity is quickly mastering it's many uses. It won't be long before a human army mauls a Telkine and finally starts to resist the Atlanteans.
The Horse-men have some problems of their own, but they would indeed be up to such a task. But I could corrupt them as well and let them destroy the humans in Persia... But that's a bit to dark isn't it
Woops, I should probably edit that then...
This is the text for 7:
Avalon remains loyal to the Olympian gods. But they have taken a turn for the worse when they decided it was time to conquer the entire island they are settling. (Having fled from Atlantis years before it's sinking.) Wiping out the nearest Unseely and Seely courts has united the remaining fairies into a single state bent on removing both humanity and the dwarves of their lands.
Yes, many Quebecois live there and it is almost the same shape it had before Quebec got the giant wasteland in the north.
Thank you - would it be feasible for Quebec to agree to loose the North in around 1940 ? I presume so because I couldn't find any particular economic, political or linguistic interests for them there.
We'll give them them Ontario too then, more land is good right?Unfortunately, "more territorial swag" is always an interest for nationalists.
Bruce
I demand a map! I just read your summary and a DoD expy sounds interesting.
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