List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Catalunya - Byrnes gets tapped in '44
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    1945 - 1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt / James F. Byrnes (Democrat)

    1945 - 1949: James F. Byrnes / vacant (Democrat)

    1949 - 1957: Thomas E. Dewey / Harold Stassen (Republican)
    1948: James F. Byrnes / James Roosevelt (Democrat), Henry A. Wallace / Glen H. Taylor (Progressive)
    1952: Estes Kefauver / Scott W. Lucas (Democrat)

    1957 - 1961: Harold Stassen / Prescott S. Bush (Republican)
    1956: Lyndon B. Johnson / W. Averall Harriman (Democrat)

    1961 - 1965: John F. Kennedy / Robert Anderson (Democrat)
    1960: Harold Stassen / Nelson Rockefeller , Lister Hill / Lorris May Wimberly, Sr. (Dixiecrat)
     
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    1951-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative)
    1951: (Minority) def - Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
    1952: (Majority) def - Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
    1955-1957: Anthony Eden (Conservative Majority)
    1957-1963: Harold Macmillan (SDP)
    1957: (Coalition with Labour and Liberals) def - Anthony Eden (Conservative), Herbert Morison (Labour), Mark Bonham-Carter (Liberal)
    1959: (Coalition with Labour and Liberals) def - Anthony Eden (Conservative), Herbert Morison (Labour), Mark Bonham-Carter (Liberal)
    1963-1964: Alec Douglas-Home (Labour-SDP-Liberal Coalition)
    1964-1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
    1964: (Coalition with SDP and Liberals) def - Derrick Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative), Alec Douglas-Home (SDP), Eric Lubbock (Liberal)
    1969: (Coalition with SDP and Liberals) def - Julian Amery (Conservative), Anthony Barber (SDP), Emlyn Hoosen (Liberal)
    1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative-SDP Coalition)
    1974-1976: Harold Wilson (Labour)
    1974: (Coalition with Liberals) def - Edward Heath (Conservative), Reginald Maudling (SDP), Margaret Wingfield (Liberal)
    1976-1979: James Callaghan (Wartime National Government with Labour, Conservatives, SDP and Liberals)
    1979-1983: Margaret Thatcher (Wartime National Government with Labour, Conservatives, SDP and Liberals)
    1983-1990:     Margaret Thatcher (Democratic Conservative)
    1983: (Minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply) def - Roy Hattersley (Labour), David Alton (Liberal)
    1985: (Majority) def - Gerald Kaufman (Labour), David Penhaligon (Liberal)
    1990-1997: John Major (Labour)
    1990: (Coalition with Liberals) def - Margaret Thatcher (Democratic Conservative), Alex Carlile (Liberal)
    1995: (Coalition with Liberals) def - Alex Carlile (Liberal), David Owen (Democratic Conservative), Michael Heseltine (Centre)
    1997-2000: Tony Blair (Grand Coalition with Democratic Conservatives and Centre)
    2000-2007: Tony Blair (Liberal)
    2000: (Coalition with Centre) def - John Major (Labour), Michael Portillo (Democratic Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Centre)
    2002: (Majority) def - Frank Field (Labour), Malcom Rifkind (Democratic Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Centre)
    2007-2010: Gordon Brown (Labour)
    2007: (Minority with Centre and Devolution League Confidence and Supply) def - Tony Blair (Liberal), Michael Ancram (Democratic Conservative), Ken Clarke (Centre)
    2010-2016: David Cameron (Liberal)
    2010: (Grand Coalition with Democratic Conservatives) def - David Davis (Democratic Conservative), Gordon Brown (Labour), David Laws (Centre)
    2015: (Grand Coalition with Democratic Conservatives) def - Theresa May (Democratic Conservative), Michael Meacher (Labour)
    2016-2017: Theresa May (Grand Coalition with Liberals and Democratic Conservatives)
    2017-PRES: Theresa May (Liberal Democratic Majority)

    Someone suggested this a while ago (not quite sure who it was) in the Politbrit thread. The idea is that all the Prime Ministers have their OTL tenures, but under very different circumstances...
     
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    • Mumby - The New Dark Age or Elections in the Abyss (Blitzpunk phresh eternal Nazi war)
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    The New Dark Age or Elections in the Abyss

    1935-1937: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative)
    1935 (National Government with Liberal Nationals, National Labour Organisation and Independent Nationals) def. Clement Attlee (Labour), John Simon (Liberal National), Herbert Samuel (Liberal), Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour Organisation), James Maxton (Independent Labour Party)
    1937-1939: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative leading National Government with Liberal Nationals, National Labour Organisation and Independent Nationals)
    1939-1940: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative leading War Government with Liberal Nationals, National Labour Organisation and Independent Nationals)
    1940-1940: Winston Churchill (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, Liberal Nationals, Liberals, National Labour Organisation and Independent Nationals)
    1940-1942: Winston Churchill / Ernest Bevin / Max Aitken, 1st Baron Beaverbrook (Conservative / Labour / Conservative --- War Directorate)
    1942-1948: Stafford Cripps / Frederick Marquis, 1st Baron Woolton / John Anderson (Labour / Conservative / Independent National --- War Directorate)
    1948-1950: Stafford Cripps (Labour leading War Government with Conservatives, Liberal Nationals, Liberals, National Labour Organisation and Independent Nationals)
    1950-1956: Anthony Eden (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1956-1959: Rab Butler (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1959-1963: Robert Boothby (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1963-1969: Reginald Maudling (Independent National leading War Government with Conservatives, Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1969-1975: Anthony Greenwood (Labour leading War Government with Conservatives, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1975-1980: Barbara Castle (Labour leading War Government with Conservatives, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1980-1983: Clement Freud (United Liberal Association leading War Government with Conservatives, Labour, and Independent Nationals)
    1983-1988: Peter Carington, 6th Baron Carrington (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1988-1993: Michael Heseltine (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1993-1996: Roy Major (Labour leading War Government with Conservatives, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    1996-2005: Xavier Portillo (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    2005-2009: George Duncan Smith (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)
    2009-2015: Jack Pickles (Labour leading War Government with Conservatives, United Liberal Association, and Independent Nationals)

    This is the Prime Minister for my Blitzpunk TL. The Conservatives and Labour are the two largest parties in Parliament the War Government takes up a vast majority of the seats in Parliament. Despite the fact the Wartime Pact forbids the member parties from standing candidates against each other at by-elections, this was loosened somewhat during Maudling's time at the top and the composition of Parliament does fluctuate somewhat albeit very slowly. National Labour dissolved itself in 1950, with her MPs either becoming Independent Nationals or joining Labour or the Conservatives. Similarly, the Liberal Nationals and Liberals united the organisations though the two party labels retain some separation. A hardline group against reunion with the Liberal Nationals broke away, joining the ranks of the Opposition as the 'Radical Liberals', and they have since associated with Common Wealth which is largest Opposition party. The other parties in Opposition include the Independent Labour Party, the Communist Party of Great Britain and the Democratic Unionists. Common Wealth remains softly pro-war, though opposed to the Wartime Pact and to the suspension of general elections which has been uninterrupted since the outbreak of hostilities in 1939. The ILP is anti-war on humanitarian and 'realist' grounds. They remain opposed to fascism but believe that the state of war has done the country no good and has in fact aided Berlin by giving them an external threat to focus peoples' fears upon. The Communists are pro-war and support the War Government in almost every respect though remain in Opposition due to the Government's bourgeois nature. Finally, the Democratic Unionists are heirs to the Mosleyite tradition of opposition to the war on the grounds of Anglo-German racial friendship.
     
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    Cevolian

    Tfw Mumby posts his phantastic phrosty phresh list right under yours.

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    Cevolian said:
    1951-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative)
    1951: (Minority) def - Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
    1952: (Majority) def - Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
    1955-1957: Anthony Eden (Conservative Majority)
    1957-1963: Harold Macmillan (SDP)
    1957: (Coalition with Labour and Liberals) def - Anthony Eden (Conservative), Herbert Morison (Labour), Mark Bonham-Carter (Liberal)
    1959: (Coalition with Labour and Liberals) def - Anthony Eden (Conservative), Herbert Morison (Labour), Mark Bonham-Carter (Liberal)
    1963-1964: Alec Douglas-Home (Labour-SDP-Liberal Coalition)
    1964-1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
    1964: (Coalition with SDP and Liberals) def - Derrick Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative), Alec Douglas-Home (SDP), Eric Lubbock (Liberal)
    1969: (Coalition with SDP and Liberals) def - Julian Amery (Conservative), Anthony Barber (SDP), Emlyn Hoosen (Liberal)
    1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative-SDP Coalition)
    1974-1976: Harold Wilson (Labour)
    1974: (Coalition with Liberals) def - Edward Heath (Conservative), Reginald Maudling (SDP), Margaret Wingfield (Liberal)
    1976-1979: James Callaghan (Wartime National Government with Labour, Conservatives, SDP and Liberals)
    1979-1983: Margaret Thatcher (Wartime National Government with Labour, Conservatives, SDP and Liberals)
    1983-1990:     Margaret Thatcher (Democratic Conservative)
    1983: (Minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply) def - Roy Hattersley (Labour), David Alton (Liberal)
    1985: (Majority) def - Gerald Kaufman (Labour), David Penhaligon (Liberal)
    1990-1997: John Major (Labour)
    1990: (Coalition with Liberals) def - Margaret Thatcher (Democratic Conservative), Alex Carlile (Liberal)
    1995: (Coalition with Liberals) def - Alex Carlile (Liberal), David Owen (Democratic Conservative), Michael Heseltine (Centre)
    1997-2007: Tony Blair (Liberal)
    2000: (Coalition with Centre) def - John Major (Labour), Michael Portillo (Democratic Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Centre)
    2002: (Majority) def - Frank Field (Labour), Malcom Rifkind (Democratic Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Centre)
    2007-2010: Gordon Brown (Labour)
    2007: (Minority with Centre and Devolution League Confidence and Supply) def - Tony Blair (Liberal), Michael Ancram (Democratic Conservative), Ken Clarke (Centre)
    2010-2016: David Cameron (Liberal)
    2010: (Grand Coalition with Democratic Conservatives) def - David Davis (Democratic Conservative), Gordon Brown (Labour), David Laws (Centre)
    2015: (Grand Coalition with Democratic Conservatives) def - Theresa May (Democratic Conservative), Michael Meacher (Labour)
    2016-2017: Theresa May (Grand Coalition with Liberals and Democratic Conservatives)
    2017-PRES: Theresa May (Liberal Democratic Majority)

    Someone suggested this a while ago (not quite sure who it was) in the Politbrit thread. The idea is that all the Prime Ministers have their OTL tenures, but under very different circumstances...
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    where did sdp macmillan come from anyway

    the soggymac
     
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    Mumby said:
    where did sdp macmillan come from anyway

    the soggymac
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    I'm not fully sure on the background yet, but I think Macmillan leads a splinter group out of the Tory party after Churchill starts denationalising things. It's not very realistic, but Macmillan was very lefty for the Conservatives...
     
    Cevolian - CHAIRMEN OF THE AMBRIDGE COLLECTIVE
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    CHAIRMEN OF THE AMBRIDGE COLLECTIVE
    (Workers' and Peasants Union of Britain);​

    1947-1951: Joe Grundy (Communist Revolutionary backed by Soviet Red Army and British Revolutionary Government)
    1951-1997: Joe Grundy (National Farmers' backed by Central Government Forces and The Borchester Soviet)
    1997-1999: Edward Grundy (National Farmers' backed by Central Government Forces and The Borchester Soviet)
    1999-2002: Edward Grundy (Common Wheat-WPGB Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    1999 def - Brian Aldridge (National Opposition), [Delegation from the WPGB], [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet], [Various Independent Liberals]
    2002-2008: Matt Crawford (Common Wheat-WPGB Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    2003 def - Rev. Alan Franks (Christian Democrat), Brian Aldridge (Country), [Delegation from the WPGB], David Archer (Ambrdige Liberal Association), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet]
    2008-2013: Rev. Alan Franks (Christian Democrat-Ambridge Liberal Association-Country Coalition)
    2008 def - Central Committee (Common Wheat), Nigel Pargetter (ALA), [Delegation from the WPGB], Brian Aldridge (Country), Matt Crawford ("Crawfordite" Common Wheat), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet]
    2013-PRES: Kenton Archer (Common Wheat-WPGB-Independent Socialist Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    2013 def - Rev. Alan Franks (Democratic League --- Christian Democrat/ALA/Country), Rob Titchener (WPGB), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet], Usha Gupta (Independent Socialist)

    This one is for @Mumby based on the idea of an Archers' "Mirror Universe" with the Grundys on top after a Communist revolution which my Dad came up with...
     
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    Cevolian said:
    CHAIRMEN OF THE AMBRIDGE COLLECTIVE
    (Workers' and Peasants Union of Britain);​

    1947-1951: Joe Grundy (Communist Revolutionary backed by Soviet Red Army and British Revolutionary Government)
    1951-1997: Joe Grundy (National Farmers' backed by Central Government Forces and The Borchester Soviet)
    1997-1999: Edward Grundy (National Farmers' backed by Central Government Forces and The Borchester Soviet)
    1999-2002: Edward Grundy (Common Wheat-WPGB Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    1999 def - Brian Aldridge (National Opposition), [Delegation from the WPGB], [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet], [Various Independent Liberals]
    2002-2008: Matt Crawford (Common Wheat-WPGB Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    2003 def - Rev. Alan Franks (Christian Democrat), Brian Aldridge (Country), [Delegation from the WPGB], David Archer (Ambrdige Liberal Association), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet]
    2008-2013: Rev. Alan Franks (Christian Democrat-Ambridge Liberal Association-Country Coalition)
    2008 def - Central Committee (Common Wheat), Nigel Pargetter (ALA), [Delegation from the WPGB], Brian Aldridge (Country), Matt Crawford ("Crawfordite" Common Wheat), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet]
    2013-PRES: Kenton Archer (Common Wheat-WPGB-Independent Socialist Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    2013 def - Rev. Alan Franks (Democratic League --- Christian Democrat/ALA/Country), Rob Titchener (WPGB), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet], Usha Gupta (Independent Socialist)

    This one is for @Mumby based on the idea of an Archers' "Mirror Universe" with the Grundys on top after a Communist revolution which my Dad came up with...
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    *Radio 4 intensifies*

    That is excellently batshit, Cev (thank your dad.) I think a mirror-universe plotline is one of the few things they haven't tried on The Archers so maybe you should get inside the building at Auntie Beeb and make an elevator pitch? "The Borchester Soviet" has a real ring to it...
     
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    Cevolian

    Yes said:
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    That is excellently batshit, Cev (thank your dad.) I think a mirror-universe plotline is one of the few things they haven't tried on the Archers so maybe you should get inside the building at Auntie Beeb and make an elevator pitch? "The Borchester Soviet" has a real ring to it...
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    Thank you very much :) my Dad doesn't really get what this forum is from the few times I've mentioned it, but I'll pass on the thanks! I would but I think even the current writers would find this too batty... and I thought so too, not quite sure why but it does sound nice.
     
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    Mumby

    Cevolian said:
    CHAIRMEN OF THE AMBRIDGE COLLECTIVE
    (Workers' and Peasants Union of Britain);​

    1947-1951: Joe Grundy (Communist Revolutionary backed by Soviet Red Army and British Revolutionary Government)
    1951-1997: Joe Grundy (National Farmers' backed by Central Government Forces and The Borchester Soviet)
    1997-1999: Edward Grundy (National Farmers' backed by Central Government Forces and The Borchester Soviet)
    1999-2002: Edward Grundy (Common Wheat-WPGB Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    1999 def - Brian Aldridge (National Opposition), [Delegation from the WPGB], [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet], [Various Independent Liberals]
    2002-2008: Matt Crawford (Common Wheat-WPGB Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    2003 def - Rev. Alan Franks (Christian Democrat), Brian Aldridge (Country), [Delegation from the WPGB], David Archer (Ambrdige Liberal Association), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet]
    2008-2013: Rev. Alan Franks (Christian Democrat-Ambridge Liberal Association-Country Coalition)
    2008 def - Central Committee (Common Wheat), Nigel Pargetter (ALA), [Delegation from the WPGB], Brian Aldridge (Country), Matt Crawford ("Crawfordite" Common Wheat), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet]
    2013-PRES: Kenton Archer (Common Wheat-WPGB-Independent Socialist Coalition backed by The Borchester Soviet)
    2013 def - Rev. Alan Franks (Democratic League --- Christian Democrat/ALA/Country), Rob Titchener (WPGB), [Delegation from the Borchester Soviet], Usha Gupta (Independent Socialist)

    This one is for @Mumby based on the idea of an Archers' "Mirror Universe" with the Grundys on top after a Communist revolution which my Dad came up with...
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    C O M M O N W H E A T
     
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    Cevolian said:
    Would you like to see the size of my majority?
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    No, but Soggymac says that Bob Boothby has been asking around...

    Anyway, on this side of the water we have to deal with overcompensating short-fingered vulgarians, I'm afraid Mr. Newmark will have to get in line.
     
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