List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Japhy

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Kaze said:
What if a Successful Equal Right's Party?
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So a couple of things. First off folks tend to like a reason why a change happens, in addition to that just saying the parties that follow is kind of light. Wikipedia is a great intro source for helping you pit things together. If you need any help don't be afraid to ask. We're mostly friendly. Except @Mumby when he gets hungry.
 
Bulldoggus

Bulldoggus

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I decided to play with a cliche: "Democrats fall to third = Always Southern". Here, they're essentially a Northern machine city party that ends up allying with a rising Farmer-Labor movement out of pragmatism.

And another cliche: "Populists will always be radical". Here, they end up moderating themselves to defeat eventually.

Oh, and a third cliche: "Parties that fall to third place can never bounce back".

Actually, now to think of it, this is essentially me trying to "subvert" a lot of cliches.

Enjoy!

Grover Cleveland (Democratic) 1885-1893
1884: def. James G. Blaine (Republican)
1888: def. Chauncey Depew (Republican)
Benjamin Harrison (Republican) 1893-1897
1892: def. John G. Carlisle (Democratic) and Alson Streeter (Populist)
William F. Vilas (Democratic) 1897-1901
1896: def. William J. Bryan (Populist) and Benjamin Harrison (Republican)
Marion Butler (Populist) 1901-1909
1900: def. Levi P. Morton (Republican) and William F. Vilas (Democratic)
1904: def. Robert Todd Lincoln (Republican) and George B. McClellan Jr. (Democratic)
Philander C. Knox (Republican) 1909-1917
1908: def. Edwin S. Johnson (Populist) and Edward F. Dunne (Democratic)
1912: def. Charles A. Towne (Populist) and John W. Kern (Democratic)
Leonard Wood (Republican) 1917-1921
1916: def. Atlee Pomerene (Populist), William Randolph Hearst (Democratic) and John W. Slayton (Socialist)
John Cornwell (Populist) 1921-1925
1920: def. Leonard Wood (Republican) and Francis B. Harrison (Democratic)
Calvin Coolidge (Republican) 1925-1929
1924: def. John Cornwell (Populist), Robert L. Owen (Farmer-Labor) and Fred H. Brown (Democratic)
Herbert Hoover (Populist) 1929-1933
1928: def. Calvin Coolidge (Republican), Burton K. Wheeler (Farmer-Labor/Democratic) and Al Smith (Independent Democratic)
Lynn Frazier (Farmer-Labor/Democratic/NPL) 1933-19??
1932: def. Herbert Hoover (Populist) and Joseph I. France (Republican)
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Cevolian

Cevolian

2007-2011: Gordon Brown
2007 def - Michael Meacher, Ed Balls, John McDonnel, Jack Straw, Peter Mandelson
2011-2014: Michael Meacher
2011 def - Jack Straw, Geof Hoon, Frank Field
2014-2023: Ed Miliband
2014 def - Andy Burnham, Jeremy Corbyn
2020 def - John McDonnel
2023-2025: Douglas Alexander
2023 def - Jacinda Ardern
2025-0000: Tristram Hunt
2025 def - Richard Burgon, Angela Rayner

And here's the promised list of Labour leaders - highlights include Labour doing worse in 2010 because McDonnel gets on the ballot and opens the floodgates, Douglas Alexander as John Smith and Jacinda Ardern staying in Britain so she can play Brian Gould in 2023.
 

TheMexican

The Republican era

2001-2009: George W. Bush (Republican)
2000 def - AlGore (Democrat)
2004 def- John Kerry (Democrat)
2009-2017: John McCain (Republican)
2008 def - Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
2012 def - Barack Obama (Democrat)
2017-: Mitt Rommey (Republican)
2016 def - Joe Biden (Democrat)
 
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TheMexican

The Republican era: A blue Mexico

2000-2006: Vicente Fox (PAN)
2000 def - Francisco Labastida (PRI); Cuauhtemoc Cardenas (PRD)
2006-2012: Alberto Cárdenas Jiménez (PAN)
2006 def - Roberto Madrazo (PRI); Andres Lopez Obrador (PRD)
2012-2018: Santiago Creel Miranda (PAN)
2012 def - Marcelo Ebrard (PRD); Manlio Fabio Beltrones (PRI)
 

Kaze

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Assassination of Ronald Reagan successful

Ronald Reagan. January 1981-March 1981 [1]
George H.W. Bush. March 1981-198? [2]


[1] Ronald Reagan is killed by a mentally deranged killer John Hinckley Jr. Hickley is killed in turn by the Secret Service who return fire. Conspiracy theorists still make theories on who, what, when, where, and why. It ranged from the killer's love for Jodie Foster, the Movie Taxi Driver, UFO's, etc.

[2] GHW Bush only serves well. He oversees the end days of the Cold War. He he tries to push through a gun control law through congress.The law is successful - all gun sales (public and private) now require 30 days waiting period and background check. But the NRA still shows its vengeance through the polls forcing him only serve a single term. He is remembered as one of the good presidents.
 

dw93

An Earlier Clinton Administration:

41. Bill Clinton / Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic): 1989-1993
42. Pete Wilson / John Danforth (Republican): 1993-2001
43. Hillary Clinton / Joe Biden (Democratic): 2001-2009
44. Mitt Romney / George Allen (Republican): 2009-2017
45. Dennis Kucinich / Jeff Merkley (Democratic): 2017-Incumbent
 
TwiliAlchemist

TwiliAlchemist

The Millennium of Unification
2000-2001: George W. Bush (R-TX)*/Dick Cheney (R-WY) [1]
def. Al Gore (D-TN)/Joe Lieberman (D-CT), Ralph Nader (G-CT)/Winona LaDuke (G-MN)
2001: Dick Cheney (R-WY)/vacant
2002-2004: Dick Cheney (R-WY)/Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL) [2]
2004-2008: Joe Biden (D-PA)/John McCain (R-AZ) [3]
def. Dick Cheney (R-WY)/Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL), Joe Liberman (D-CT)/Howard Dean (D-VT), Ralph Nader (G-CT)/David Cobb(G-TX)
2008-2012: Joe Biden (Unity-PA)/John McCain (Unity-AZ) [4]
def. Ron Paul (R-TX)/Jim Gilmore (R-VA), Paul Wellstone (D-MN)/Ralph Nader (G-CT), Bob Barr (L-GA)/Richard Campagna (L-IA)
2012-2016: Lincoln Chafee (U-RI)/Gary Johnson (U-NM) [5]
def. Angus King (I-ME)+/Jill Stein (G-MA), Ron Paul (L/R-TX)/Virgil Goode (C-VA)
2016-2019: Bernie Sanders* (Social Democrat-VT)/Adam Smith (Social Democrat-WA) [6]
def. Lincoln Chafee (U-RI)/Gary Johnson (U-NM), Donald Trump (National Whig-NY)/Rand Paul (National Whig-KY)
2019: Adam Smith (SD-WA)/vacant [7]
2019-2020: John Boehner (NW-OH) [8]
2020-Present: Jon Steward (U-NY)/Jeb Bush (U-FL) [9]
def. Stephen Colbert (SD-NC)/Elizabeth Warren (SD-MA), Paul Ryan (NW-WI)/Darrell Castle (NW-TN)
*Died in Office
+Caucused with the Democrats

[1] The Presidency of George W. Bush was incredibly short, lasting only 19 days.
[2] Vice President Dick Cheney ascended to the Presidency after the assassination of George W. Bush. 9/11 happens under his presidency and he goes to great lengths to combat it. Pres. Cheney and his Vice Presidency Rumsfeld go after Osama Bin Laden with a vengeance. Laws like the PATRIOT ACT and the declaration of war on Afghanistan were seen as the best course of action. However, the administration bit off more than they could chew when they declared war on Iraq.
[3] Anti-War sentiment had grown so much that good friends Democrat Joe Biden and Republican John McCain created a joint unity ticket and won. In 2007, the two created the Unity Party which united multiple moderate politicians.
[4] The re-election of the Biden Administration was no surprise. With the killing of Osama Bin Laden by US Seals and a soaring economy, things were going great. What was surprising was the Democratic candidate Paul Wellstone chose Former Green Candidate Ralph Nader as his running mate.
[5] While the Unity Party won the election, the ticket was thought of as slightly weaker than the Biden Administration. While they didn't tank anything, they didn't make anything soar.
[6] The new Social Democrat party ticket of Bernie Sanders won the presidency. His administration led to the implementation of the free public education and a government healthcare system. However, President Sanders was assassinated in 2019 by an anti-socialist person while campaigning in South Carolina.
[7] Adam Smith took over after the assassination of Pres. Sanders. He flopped under the pressure and resigned leaving Speaker of the House, John Boehner, to serve out the rest of the term.
[8] Pres. Boehner didn't do anything while in office since he was just a lame duck president.
[9] Pres. Smith's resignation hurt the Social Democrats's image nationwide, even with a charismatic candidate like Senator Stephen Colbert didn't help. New York Governor John Steward would win the race, with the National Whig Party falling to third yet again. Political tension has been growing since the election of Bernie Sanders and some of the more extreme supporters of the National Whigs are thinking about doing something about it...

Social Democrats are a unification of the Democratic Party, Green Party, and left leaning Independents. Democratically Socialists and Social Democrats.
Unity Party is a unification of the moderate sections of the Democrat and Republican Parties. Broad tent.
the National Whig Party is a unification of the Libertarian and Constitution parties and the right-wing of the Republican Party
 
Oppo

Oppo

  • Major falls behind his personal goal in 1995, and he resigns. In a narrow and bitter race, Clarke beats Portillo after revelations are made about the latter’s “homosexual experiences.”
  • Clarke’s pro-European views sparks mass outrage from the Eurosceptics in the party, with many being expelled/removed from the Cabinet, joining Referendum or the DUP, or retiring. After these defections, on top of recent by-election losses, Clarke’s goverment loses a majority (and isn’t able to work with the UUP to stay in power). The Tories remove Clarke with Thatcher cabinet minister Lord Tebbit as a caretaker, who gets the support of Referendum and the DUP.
  • Some minor Europhile backbenchers join the LibDems, but most stay with the Tories knowing an election is coming. Neither faction can agree to a united campaign, with Clarke’s NatCons fighting against Howe, Goldsmith, and Paisley’s united front.
  • Tebbit calls for an election to attempt to discredit the Europhiles, which is won by Labour in a landslide of around 450 seats. Clarke, Ashdown, and Goldsmith all end up with around the same seats.
  • While Goldsmith’s leadership is very popular, it’s the only thing that can keep the party together. Upon his death of cancer, all hell breaks loose. James’ son Zac takes over and has most of the party behind him, but is inexperienced and seen as weak. Ian Paisley and Nigel Farage brought other members of their party around them for their factions.
  • Blair decides not to call an election in 2000 after the fuel protests, being forced to delay it until September of 2001 after the foot-and-mouth outbreak. 9/11 happens as IOTL, and Blair is able to walk away with over 550 seats. The LibDems end up as the opposition with less than 50 seats.
1995-1996: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative majority, then minority)
1996: Lord Tebbit (Conservative minority with Referendum & DUP confidence & supply)
1996-Present: Tony Blair (Labour)
1996 (Majority): Kenneth Clarke (National Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Sir James Goldsmith (Pro-Tebbit Eurosceptic Coupon), David Trimble (UUP), Alex Salmond (SNP), Dafydd Wigley (Plaid Cymru)
2001 (Majority): Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Zac Goldsmith (Goldsmithite), Kenneth Clarke (National Conservative), Ian Paisley (DUP), Nigel Farage (Farageite), David Trimble (UUP)
2006 (Majority): Christopher Gill (United Patriots), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Kenneth Clarke (National), Nick Griffin (BNP), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Alex Salmond (SNP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Fein)
2011 (Majority): Simon Hughes (Fresh Vision), Christopher Gill (United Patriots), Nick Griffin (BNP), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2015 (Majority): Tom Brake (Fresh Vision), Patrick O’Flynn (United Patriots), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Nick Griffin (Love & Resistance), Alex Neil (SNP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
2019 (Majority): Tom Brake (Fresh Vision), Jenny Jones (Radical), Nick Griffin (Love & Resistance), Fiona Bruce (United Patriots), Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
 
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Mumby

Mumby

The 20th Century Cromwell
Britain wins the War... but at what cost?

1937-1939: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative leading National Government with Liberal Nationals, National Labour and Independent Nationals)
1939-1940: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, Liberal Nationals, Liberals, National Labour and Independent Nationals)
1940-1941: Winston Churchill (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, Liberal Nationals, Liberals, National Labour and Independent Nationals)
1941-1942: E.F.L. Wood, 3rd Viscount Halifax (Conservative leading Armistice Government with Liberal Nationals, National Labour and Independent Nationals)
1942-1942: John Anderson (Independent National leading War Government with Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Nationals, Liberals, National Labour and Independent Nationals)
1942-1947: Hugh Trenchard, 1st Viscount Trenchard (Independent National leading War Government with Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Nationals, Liberals, National Labour and Independent Nationals)
1947-1952: Hugh Trenchard, 1st Viscount Trenchard (Independent --- Victory)
1947 (Military Administration) def. actual election results declared null and void, Nye Bevan (Labour), John Anderson (Constitutionalist --- Conservatives, Liberals, Liberal Nationals, National Labour, Independent Constitutionalists), Harry Pollitt (Communist)

Basically, Churchill is removed by Halifax and an armistice is made with the Axis including Japan. Halifax's majority is much slashed as Labour, the Liberals and Anti-Armistice Tories leave the government, but he is able to keep the life of the Parliament artificially extended as he prepares the country for Round Two with Germany. He is beaten to the punch by the fall of the Soviet Union in 1942. At the same time, the US went to war with the Japanese but this war happened in isolation thanks to Britain's armistice.

The public execution of Stalin and the hopes of opening up a second front in Europe once they were ready proves to be too much for the fragile Armistic Government, and after Halifax's resignation, Anderson's coronation and declaration of war once again upon Germany, Hugh Trenchard is invited to lead the War Government. Trenchard was given extraordinary political and military powers to conduct the war, and over the next several years, manages to push the Germans and Italians out of Africa, and eventually invade Europe itself. After five brutal years, the Union Jack was raised above the Reichstag.

It was hoped then that Trenchard would surrender his powers and step gracefully into retirement. The general election of 1947 was hard fought, and if the MPs had ever been permitted to convene in Parliament would have produced the first majority Labour government in British history. This did not come to pass. The radical socialist Nye Bevan, who replaced Attlee after his resignation over the Armistice Crisis, was more than Trenchard could permit. With the help of hardliners amongst the 'Constitutionalists', and the much swollen ranks of the Armed Forces after five years of war (and numerous attempted invasions by the Germans), he stepped in before a government could be formed. A Military Administration has been established in Britain and with the Princess Elizabeth smuggled into exile while the King is under apparent house arrest in Buckingham Palace, the future for British democracy looks bleak indeed.
 
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Oppo said:
  • Major falls behind his personal goal in 1995, and he resigns. In a narrow and bitter race, Clarke beats Portillo after revelations are made about the latter’s “homosexual experiences.”
  • Clarke’s pro-European views sparks mass outrage from the Eurosceptics in the party, with many being expelled/removed from the Cabinet, joining Referendum or the DUP, or retiring. After these defections, on top of recent by-election losses, Clarke’s goverment loses a majority (and isn’t able to work with the UUP to stay in power). The Tories remove Clarke with Thatcher cabinet minister Lord Howe as a caretaker, who gets the support of Referendum and the DUP.
  • Some minor Europhile backbenchers join the LibDems, but most stay with the Tories knowing an election is coming. Neither faction can agree to a united campaign, with Clarke’s NatCons fighting against Howe, Goldsmith, and Paisley’s united front.
  • Howe calls for an election to attempt to discredit the Europhiles, which is won by Labour in a landslide of around 450 seats. Clarke, Ashdown, and Goldsmith all end up with around the same seats.
  • While Goldsmith’s leadership is very popular, it’s the only thing that can keep the party together. Upon his death of cancer, all hell breaks loose. James’ son Zac takes over and has most of the party behind him, but is inexperienced and seen as weak. Ian Paisley and Nigel Farage brought other members of their party around them for their factions.
  • Blair decides not to call an election in 2000 after the fuel protests, being forced to delay it until September of 2001 after the foot-and-mouth outbreak. 9/11 happens as IOTL, and Blair is able to walk away with over 550 seats. The LibDems end up as the opposition with less than 50 seats.
1995-1996: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative majority, then minority)
1996: Lord Howe (Conservative minority with Referendum & DUP confidence & supply)
1996-Present: Tony Blair (Labour)
1996 (Majority): Kenneth Clarke (National Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Sir James Goldsmith (Pro-Howe Eurosceptic Coupon), David Trimble (UUP), Alex Salmond (SNP), Dafydd Wigley (Plaid Cymru)
2001 (Majority): Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Zac Goldsmith (Goldsmithite), Kenneth Clarke (National Conservative), Ian Paisley (DUP), Nigel Farage (Farageite), David Trimble (UUP)
2006 (Majority): Christopher Gill (United Patriots), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Kenneth Clarke (National), Nick Griffin (BNP), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Alex Salmond (SNP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Fein)
2011 (Majority): Simon Hughes (Fresh Vision), Christopher Gill (United Patriots), Nick Griffin (BNP), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2015 (Majority): Tom Brake (Fresh Vision), Patrick O’Flynn (United Patriots), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Nick Griffin (Love & Resistance), Alex Neil (SNP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
2019 (Majority): Tom Brake (Fresh Vision), Jenny Jones (Radical), Nick Griffin (Love & Resistance), Fiona Bruce (United Patriots), Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
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Oh my God 23 years of Blair.
 

Politibrit

Oppo said:
  • Major falls behind his personal goal in 1995, and he resigns. In a narrow and bitter race, Clarke beats Portillo after revelations are made about the latter’s “homosexual experiences.”
  • Clarke’s pro-European views sparks mass outrage from the Eurosceptics in the party, with many being expelled/removed from the Cabinet, joining Referendum or the DUP, or retiring. After these defections, on top of recent by-election losses, Clarke’s goverment loses a majority (and isn’t able to work with the UUP to stay in power). The Tories remove Clarke with Thatcher cabinet minister Lord Howe as a caretaker, who gets the support of Referendum and the DUP.
  • Some minor Europhile backbenchers join the LibDems, but most stay with the Tories knowing an election is coming. Neither faction can agree to a united campaign, with Clarke’s NatCons fighting against Howe, Goldsmith, and Paisley’s united front.
  • Howe calls for an election to attempt to discredit the Europhiles, which is won by Labour in a landslide of around 450 seats. Clarke, Ashdown, and Goldsmith all end up with around the same seats.
  • While Goldsmith’s leadership is very popular, it’s the only thing that can keep the party together. Upon his death of cancer, all hell breaks loose. James’ son Zac takes over and has most of the party behind him, but is inexperienced and seen as weak. Ian Paisley and Nigel Farage brought other members of their party around them for their factions.
  • Blair decides not to call an election in 2000 after the fuel protests, being forced to delay it until September of 2001 after the foot-and-mouth outbreak. 9/11 happens as IOTL, and Blair is able to walk away with over 550 seats. The LibDems end up as the opposition with less than 50 seats.
1995-1996: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative majority, then minority)
1996: Lord Howe (Conservative minority with Referendum & DUP confidence & supply)
1996-Present: Tony Blair (Labour)
1996 (Majority): Kenneth Clarke (National Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats), Sir James Goldsmith (Pro-Howe Eurosceptic Coupon), David Trimble (UUP), Alex Salmond (SNP), Dafydd Wigley (Plaid Cymru)
2001 (Majority): Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats), Zac Goldsmith (Goldsmithite), Kenneth Clarke (National Conservative), Ian Paisley (DUP), Nigel Farage (Farageite), David Trimble (UUP)
2006 (Majority): Christopher Gill (United Patriots), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Kenneth Clarke (National), Nick Griffin (BNP), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Alex Salmond (SNP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Fein)
2011 (Majority): Simon Hughes (Fresh Vision), Christopher Gill (United Patriots), Nick Griffin (BNP), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2015 (Majority): Tom Brake (Fresh Vision), Patrick O’Flynn (United Patriots), Jenny Jones (Green-Liberal Alliance), Nick Griffin (Love & Resistance), Alex Neil (SNP), Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
2019 (Majority): Tom Brake (Fresh Vision), Jenny Jones (Radical), Nick Griffin (Love & Resistance), Fiona Bruce (United Patriots), Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin)
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I can't really see there being such chaos over a Clarke Premiership as there is here, especially in the late nineties. Back then, the great majority of Tory MPs weren't rabid eurosceptics, and for those who are, Clarke wouldn't represent a massive change from Major on the issue, given that he was quite Europhile too, and banned his frontbenchers from voicing their objection to the Euro on principle. Also, why would Referendum and the DUP support Howe? This is the same Lord Howe that brought Margaret Thatcher down over the single currency? He was a Thatcherite, but also a staunch Europhile.
 
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JDrakeify said:
I can't really see there being such chaos over a Clarke Premiership as there is here, especially in the late nineties. Back then, the great majority of Tory MPs weren't rabid eurosceptics, and for those who are, Clarke wouldn't represent a massive change from Major on the issue, given that he was quite Europhile too, and banned his frontbenchers from voicing their objection to the Euro on principle. Also, why would Referendum and the DUP support Howe? This is the same Lord Howe that brought Margaret Thatcher down over the single currency? He was a Thatcherite, but also a staunch Europhile.
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1: The fighting is a bit greater than it would likely be, but the purpose of the list is for the Tories to follow their Canadian counterparts.
2: My was that Howe would represent a return to Thatcherism and would be more right-wing, but you’re right that he probably isn’t the best choice (I’ll switch him with Tebbit).
 
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