List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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Awkwardvulture

Awkwardvulture

More surviving Polish Jagellions...

King Louis (Ludwik) "Rozjemca" "The Peacemaker" (1) III of Poland (b.1958, d.2004) m. Anna Sophia of Austria, Queen of Poland (2) (b.1957, d.2014) in 1977, had issue

1) Alexander, Crown Prince of Poland, later Alexander IV (b.1978), marriage and issue covered in prior post

2) Jadwiga of Poland, Duchess of Bavaria (b.1980), m. Stephen III, Duke of Bavaria (b.1976) in 1999, had issue

1) Theodor of Bavaria (b.2002)
2) Maximillian of Bavaria (b.2004)
3) Sigismund of Bavaria (b.2009)
4) Leopold of Bavaria (b.2011)

3) Prince Olbracht, Duke of Ruthenia (b.1986) m.Caterina Sforza, Duchess of Ruthenia (3) (b.1987) in 2007, had issue
1) Paulina Jagellion (b.2009)
2) Martyna Jagellion (b.2015)
3) Irena Jagellion (b.2020)


4) Prince Leopold, Duke of Łęczyca (b.1989) (Jure Uxois) m.Urszula, Suo JureDuchess of Łęczyca (4) (b.1989) in 2007, has issue
1) Zygfryd Jagellion (b.2010)
2) Karol Jagellion (b.2012)
3) Eugenia Jagellion (b.2017)
4) Barbara Jagellion (b.2018)
5) Maria Jagellion (b.2020)

5) Princess Maria of Poland, Suo Jure Duchess of Kuyavia (b.1992), never married (5)


(1) Named for the fact that he helped mediate an end to a devastating war in which Russia attacked the Republics of Norway and Sweden, as well as the Kingdom of Denmark.
(2) I don't know if the Holy Roman Empire could survive to the present, but I'm going to say it somehow does...
(3) Younger sister of Camilla Dorotea Sforza, Queen of Poland, his older brother's wife.
(4) His fourth cousin, a descendant of the Casmirid branch of the Jagellion dynasty, named for it's progenitor the youngest surviving son of Sigismund I 'The Old" and his wife Eleanor of Austria
(5) This has sparked some rumors that the Princess may be a lesbian, though her older brother has had no comment on his sister's personal life...
 

Jan Olbracht

Francis, second son of HRE Maximilian I and Mary of Burgundy, lives to adulthood. He marries
Anne of Lorraine (daughter of René II of Lorraine, IOTL died young). After Francis' death Max arranged marriage between Anne and Sigismund the Old (as there is no Habsburg girl available).

Anne of Lorraine (1490-1551) m. a) Francis (1481-1513) Archduke of Austria b) Sigismund I (1467-1547) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1a) Mary (1507-1558) m. William IV (1493-1550) Duke of Bavaria

2a) Margaret (1509-1557) m. Charles III (1486-1553) Duke of Savoy

3a) Eleanor (1511-1582) m. Frederick (1504-1545) Duke of Saxony*

4a) Maximilian (1512-1530) Archduke of Tirol

5b) Sigismund II (1518-1579) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1569)

6b) Sophia (1521-1522)

7b) Vladislaus (1523-1550)

8b) Albert (1526-1579) Cardinal, Archbishop of Gniezno

* Son of George the Bearded, ITTL he is born healthy
 
Zulfurium

Zulfurium

Dorothea having issue is a fascinating development which really starts to fuck with the Danish line of succession. They will always have an absolutely fantastic argument for being the rightful royal family. I also think we see repeated attempts at putting Philipp Johann on the throne.
 

Jan Olbracht

Catherine of Aragon has a son with Arthur Tudor and later marries earlier widowed Louis XII as second husband.

Catherine of Aragon (1485-1536) m. a) Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486-1502) b) Louis XII (1462-1515) King of France

1a) Arthur I (1502-1554) King of England 1509, m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)

2b) Joanna (1507-1561) m. Charles V (1500-1558) Holy Roman Emperor, King of Spain

3b) Louise (1509)

4b) Louis XIII (1511-1528) King of France 1515

5b) Charles (1512)

7b) John III (1514-1567) King of France 1528, m. Anne of Lorraine (1522-1568)
 

isabella

Jan Olbracht said:
Nothing impossible about this. Catherine's great-niece (Joanna of Spain) left her infant son (Sebastian, last Aviz king of Portugal) in Portugal and returned to Spain.
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Yes, but that was a particular situation as Spain had already good control in Portugal, plus Philip needed his sister as regent in Spain and Joanna’s rival as regent in Portugal was their paternal aunt.
 
Awkwardvulture

Awkwardvulture

A Washington Monarchy

POD: George Washington doesn't get smallpox until 1760, when Martha Washington is pregnant, so the two have one child together. Also, for whatever reason, perhaps because he would have a clear successor, George Washington agrees to a Constutional Monarchy.

George I Washington, King of the Americans (b.1732, r.from 1788, d.1799) m. Martha Washington, Queen of the Americans (b.1731, d.1802) had issue
1) August I Washington, King of the Americans (b.1760, r.from 1799, d.1822) m. Abigail "Nabby" Adams, Queen of the Americans (b.1765, d.1813) in 1786, had issue
1) George Washington (b.1787, d.1787)
2) Princess Martha Washington (b.1789, d.1847)
3) John Washington, later John I Washington (b.1791, d.1858)
4) Prince William Washington (b.1793, d.1830)
5) Princess Mary Washington (b.1794, d.1861)
6) Prince Lawerence Washington (b.1796, d.1805)
 
FalconHonour

FalconHonour

A draft family tree to go with 'Queen Twice Over'. Children and matches up to Louise (b.1520) are set in stone. I'm open to suggestions on names/birth years/matches for the younger ones. :)

Francis I of France (1494-1547) m. 1515 Mary of England (1496-1549)

  • Marguerite (b.1516) m. Ercole, Duke of Ferrara (b.1508)
  • Francois (b.1517) m. Renee, Duchess of Brittany (b.1510)
  • Henri, Duke of Milan and Orleans (1519-1533) bet. Mary of England (b.1516)
  • Miscarriage (1519)
  • Louise (b.1520) m. James V of Scotland (b.1512)
  • Marie (1522-1527)
  • Charles, Duke of Milan and Orleans (b.1524) m. Catarina of Savoy (b.1529)
  • Miscarriage (1525)
  • Elisabeth (b.1527) m. Sigismund II of Poland (b.1520)
  • Edouard (b. and d. 1527)
 
FalconHonour

FalconHonour

Zygmunt Stary said:
Depends on fate of Hungarian-Bohemian Jagiellons.
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Fair enough. I was basing the match on the fact that his mother, Bona, definitely wanted a French match for him and the fact that Francis would probably want an alliance that could help him counter the Hapsburgs, but I'm open to suggestions. Who would you have Elisabeth marry if she didn't marry him?

I was also toying with the idea of Isabella Jagellion (b.1519) marry Charles, so that their children would have Sforza blood to help Charles hold Milan, but I seem to remember being told that Sigismund wasn't keen on double matches, so it's either/or, I think... Or would a double match be doable, do you think?
 

Zygmunt Stary

FalconHonour said:
Fair enough. I was basing the match on the fact that his mother, Bona, definitely wanted a French match for him and the fact that Francis would probably want an alliance that could help him counter the Hapsburgs, but I'm open to suggestions. Who would you have Elisabeth marry if she didn't marry him?

I was also toying with the idea of Isabella Jagellion (b.1519) marry Charles, so that their children would have Sforza blood to help Charles hold Milan, but I seem to remember being told that Sigismund wasn't keen on double matches, so it's either/or, I think... Or would a double match be doable, do you think?
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Because she sure would, but I said that it depends on survival of Bohemian-Hungarian line, if Louis II had a daughter with Mary of Austria, she'd marry Sigismund Augustus with 100% certainty, if not Elisabeth is fine for SA. If he was unavaliable, I'd suggest one of Ferdinand of Austria sons for the sake of brokering the peace deal.

It's not he wasn't keen on double matches, he was largely undecided on whom his daughters should marry.
 
FalconHonour

FalconHonour

Zygmunt Stary said:
Because she sure would, but I said that it depends on survival of Bohemian-Hungarian line, if Louis II had a daughter with Mary of Austria, she'd marry Sigismund Augustus with 100% certainty, if not Elisabeth is fine for SA. If he was unavaliable, I'd suggest one of Ferdinand of Austria sons for the sake of brokering the peace deal.

It's not he wasn't keen on double matches, he was largely undecided on whom his daughters should marry.
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Fair enough. I'll see what I can do, then, and what suits the story when I get there.
 
CaptainShadow

CaptainShadow

PoD: Olaf II of Denmark does not kick the bucket in 1387.

Olaf I of The Kalmar Union (b. 1370) m. Margaret of Bohemia (b. 1373)

A) Olaf II of The Kalmar Union (b. 1390) m. Philippa of England (b. 1394)

B) Margaret of The Kalmar Union (b. 1393) m. James I of Scotland (b. 1394)

C) Haakon, Duke of Finland (b. 1395) m. Catherine of Pomerania (b. 1392)

D) Blanche of The Kalmar Union (b. 1398) m. Louis II of Poland (b. 1399)
 

isabella

FalconHonour said:
Fair enough. I was basing the match on the fact that his mother, Bona, definitely wanted a French match for him and the fact that Francis would probably want an alliance that could help him counter the Hapsburgs, but I'm open to suggestions. Who would you have Elisabeth marry if she didn't marry him?

I was also toying with the idea of Isabella Jagellion (b.1519) marry Charles, so that their children would have Sforza blood to help Charles hold Milan, but I seem to remember being told that Sigismund wasn't keen on double matches, so it's either/or, I think... Or would a double match be doable, do you think?
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Isabella to Charles is a much more likely match, also the Duke of Ferrara is a pretty low match for the eldest daughter of the King of France
 
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