List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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wwbgdiaslt

kasumigenx said:
Henry VII* m. Elizabeth of York(a)

1a. Edward VI b. 1486 m. Margaret of Austria b. 1480

2a. Margaret of England b. 1489 m. Charles Orlando b. 1492

3a. Henry, Duke of York b. 1491

4a. Mary, Holy Roman Empiress b. 1496 m. Charles V b. 1500

5a. Edmund, Duke of Bedford b. 1498

*Son of Edward of Westminister and Anne Neville
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Is 1486 not an incredibly tight turnaround for Edward of Westminster and Anne Neville to have a child and for that child to have a child. Eddie and Anne married in mid December 1470, so the earliest their child could be born would be c. mid September 1471, if carried to term.

That pushes Henry VII being able to consumate his own marriage until at least 1487, and the birth of Edward VI into 1488.

I'd kick Edwards date of birth to at least 1489 or 1490, which puts him more in line with the suggested match with Germaine of Foix
 

isabella

wwbgdiaslt said:
Is 1486 not an incredibly tight turnaround for Edward of Westminster and Anne Neville to have a child and for that child to have a child. Eddie and Anne married in mid December 1470, so the earliest their child could be born would be c. mid September 1471, if carried to term.

That pushes Henry VII being able to consumate his own marriage until at least 1487, and the birth of Edward VI into 1488.

I'd kick Edwards date of birth to at least 1489 or 1490, which puts him more in line with the suggested match with Germaine of Foix
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Well, Henry VII would get Elizabeth pregnant as soon he was consummating the wedding (he would be allowed to do it at 14 years old and with Elizabeth being older than him no need to wait)...
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Alfonso II of Aragon b. 1396 - 1480 m. Maria of Castile b. 1401 d. 1558(a) Hipolita Maria of Milan b. 1445 d. 1476(b)

1b. Ferdinand II of Aragon b. 1463 m. Anne of France

2b. Isabella of Aragon b. 1465 m. Charles VIII of France

3b. Alfonso of Aragon b. 1468
 

Jan Olbracht

Bolingbroke is killed in Lithuania, Richard II is not deposed and has a son with Isabella of France.

Richard II (1367-1406) King of England 1377, m. a) Anne of Bohemia (1366-1394) b) Isabella of France (1389-1441)

1b) Edward IV (1406-1465) King of England 1406, m. Agnes of Burgundy (1407-1476)

1) Richard (1426-1434)​
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2) Isabella (1428-1479) m. James II (1425-1468) King of Scotland*​
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3) Margaret (1429-1487) m. Charles IV/I (1421-1481) King of Navarre and Aragon​
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4) Edward V (1430-1482) King of England 1465, m. a) Eleanor of Portugal (1434-1467) b) Margaret of Denmark (1456-1486)​
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5) John (1433-1491) Duke of Clarence, m. Katherine Neville (1442-1504)​
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6) Richard (1435)​
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7) Joan (1438-1441)​
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8) Agnes (1440-1492) m. Afonso V (1432-1481) King of Portugal (second wife)​
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* Son of James I and Catherine of France
 

Jan Olbracht

Sigismund Augustus' marriage with Barbara Radziwiłł with happy end.

Sigismund II Augustus (1520-1572) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland, m. a) Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1545) b) Barbara Radziwiłł (1520-1573)

1b) Sigismund III Casimir (1549-1596) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1572, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1592)

2b) Vladislaus (1551-1613) Duke of Bari and Rossano, m. Margaret Gonzaga (1564-1618)

3b) Hedwig (1552-1610) m. John III (1537-1592) King of Sweden

4b) Barbara (1555-1627) m. Albert Frederick (1553-1618) Duke of Prussia

5b) Alexander (1558-1621) Archbishop of Gniezno, Cardinal
 
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Zireael

I have to concur, the guy didn't seem to care about political advantages.

Also this looks like it could be a start to an awesome TL. Sigismund being able to continue the dynasty means there is no need to elect a king, which probably has a TON of effects down the line such as no liberum veto...
 

Zygmunt Stary

Zireael said:
Also this looks like it could be a start to an awesome TL. Sigismund being able to continue the dynasty means there is no need to elect a king, which probably has a TON of effects down the line such as no liberum veto...
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Sorry to interrupt your post, but, no, not quite. In Poland proper, law introducing viritim (done by all nobles) election was issued in 1537 and elections in some form existed since Casimir IV's (Sigismund II's grandfather) ascension to Polish throne, but they were not formal and restricted to dynasty.
 

Jan Olbracht

Zygmunt Stary said:
I'm not entirely convinced if he'd think like this, marrying Barbara Radziwiłłówna was against political advantages, and Sig still did so.
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Alexander could be just personally devout, and as he'd be just 14 when father dies SA would have little to say about his ecclesiastical career
 

Jan Olbracht

Zygmunt Stary said:
Sorry to interrupt your post, but, no, not quite. In Poland proper, law introducing viritim (done by all nobles) election was issued in 1537 and elections in some form existed since Casimir IV's (Sigismund II's grandfather) ascension to Polish throne, but they were not formal and restricted to dynasty.
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This. But title of Grand Duke of Lithuania is going to remain hereditary.
 

Jan Olbracht

Filippo Maria Visconti has a son with Mary of Savoy (Gian Galeazzo, b. 1430).

Gian Galeazzo (1430-1482) Duke of Milan 1447, m. Margaret of Savoy (1439-1485)

1) Maria (1456-1509) m. Alfonso II (1448-1495) King of Naples​
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2) Philip (1458-1462)​
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3) Amadeus (1461-1513) Duke of Milan 1482, m. Clara Gonzaga (1464-1503)​
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4) Anna (1463)​
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5) Philip (1467-1477)​
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6) Margaret (1469-1486) m. Philibert I (1465-1482) Duke of Savoy​
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7) Anna (1471-1525) m. Maximilian I (1459-1519) Holy Roman Emperor​
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8) Agnes (1473-1477)​
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9) Bona (1475-1527) m. Alfonso d'Este (1476-1534) Duke of Ferrara​
 
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VVD0D95

Banned
little something that I'm toying with:

John I Balliol, King of Scots (b.1249: d.1302) m Isabel de Warenne (b.1253: d.1297)

Issue:

Agnes de Balliol (b.1273)

Stillborn (b.1274: d.1274)

Stillborn (b.1277: d.1277)

Henry de Balliol (b.1280: d.1293)

Edward I of Scotland (b.1284)
 
CaptainShadow

CaptainShadow

POD: Edward I's first child, a stillborn daughter is born male, and alive.
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Henry IV of England (b.1255 d.1323) m. Margaret of France (b.1255 d. 1325)
1) Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1273 d. 1292)

2) Stillborn Daughter (b. 1274 d. 1274)

3) Eleanor of England (b.1277 d. 1339)

4) Arthur I of England (b. 1280 d. 1350)

5) Stillborn Son (b. 1282 d. 1282)

6) Margaret of England (b. 1285 d. 1312)

7) Henry, Duke of Kent (b. 1288 d. 1340)

8) Richard, Archbishop of York (b. 1290 d. 1373)

9) Stillborn Fraternal twins (b. 1292 d. 1292)

9) Joan of England (b.1294 d. 1349)
 
The_Last_Plantagenet

The_Last_Plantagenet

CaptainShadow said:
POD: Edward I's first child, a stillborn daughter is born male, and alive.
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Henry IV of England (b.1255 d.1323) m. Margaret of France (b.1255 d. 1325)
1) Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1273 d. 1292)

2) Stillborn Daughter (b. 1274 d. 1274)

3) Eleanor of England (b.1277 d. 1339)

4) Arthur I of England (b. 1280 d. 1350)

5) Stillborn Son (b. 1282 d. 1282)

6) Margaret of England (b. 1285 d. 1312)

7) Henry, Duke of Kent (b. 1288 d. 1340)

8) Richard, Archbishop of York (b. 1290 d. 1373)

9) Stillborn Fraternal twins (b. 1292 d. 1292)

9) Joan of England (b.1294 d. 1349)
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Obligatory king Arthur
 
The_Last_Plantagenet

The_Last_Plantagenet

CaptainShadow said:
But of course!
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Always confuses me. Like I understand the mythological connotations and such, but I doubt any British/English monarch would make their heir as Arthur, aside from Henry VII who wanted that *connection* to ancient British legend.
Aside from Arthur Tudor, name another Prince of Wales or King of England.
 
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