Henry Tudor, Heretic and Father of Kings

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Cate13, Nov 4, 2018.

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  1. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    [QUOTE="Cate13, post: 18017263, member: 98278"
    Am I forgiven @BlueFlowwer ?[/QUOTE]

    I'd forgive you :)
     
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  2. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    You are forgiven

    I would have preferred more of Catherine a la Margaret of Austria, but you made her happy and you made her a Saint as well.

    Your shoes shall remain gravy-free.
     
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  3. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    Unlike mine, I take it!
     
  4. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    You still have a shot at redemption.

    I almost mixed your two threads toghether. Lolol.

    No, but honestly this thread is great. Keep up the good work!

    Btw I would buy The Tradgedy of Catherine of Aragon in a heartbeat.
     
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  5. Cate13 Well-Known Member

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    Aw, thanks! I'm glad you are enjoying it.


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    Are you sure you don't want
     
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  6. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    Drat! I mixed them up! Yes, it was that one I meant.
     
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  7. Cate13 Well-Known Member

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    Eh, no worries, I've been dropping a lot of different books. Maybe I should do a bibliography at some point
     
  8. Threadmarks: Section Thirty-One - 1542

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    “Fifteen Forty-Two was the year for weddings in Tudor England. The first and most glorious wedding was that of Queen Kathryn to Prince Alexander. Queen Kathryn, while not pretty, was an impressive woman, especially bedecked in a gown of cloth of gold with embroidered Tudor roses. Prince Alexander also cut a very dashing figure. The marriage was performed by Thomas Cranmer, a known Awakener, but in most respects the wedding echoed traditional catholic weddings.

    The second wedding was between the Lady Elizabeth Tudor, eldest daughter of Prince Henry and Anne Boleyn, to Gregory Cromwell, Earl of Essex and son of Duke Thomas Cromwell the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The two had apparently grown close during Katies’ War. With his father’s advancement, Prince Henry deemed Gregory Cromwell worthy of Elizabeth’s hand.

    The third marriage was that of Prince Henry Tudor to Lady Mary Howard. It would be Prince Henry’s forth marriage. The two had met at Queen Kathryn’s wedding. Prince Henry was apparently charmed by the Lady and pleased that she would listen to his opinions on religion; Prince Henry always liked it when people listened to him. Lady Mary would officially convert towards the end of November and the two would be married in December.”
    Harper Wayne, “Keeping Up with The Tudors, Your Guide to Who’s Who”​


    “Lucy Lawless: Here is where Kathryn and Alexander would spend most of their married life, and..

    Vanessa Corey: Actually, Kathryn and Alexander would spend very little of their married life together. Shortly after the end of Katies’ War, Alexander began organizing an expedition to what they called the New World. Colonizing the Americas would be Alexander’s great mission in life and it would keep him away from Kathryn’s side for most of their married life.

    Lucy Lawless: But, when they were both in England, they would live here?

    Vanessa Corey: Alexander would have. Kathryn almost never left court.

    {Lucy Lawless is visibly frustrated by this point}

    Lucy Lawless: If they weren’t in love and never spend time together, what did they share? Letters?

    Vanessa Corey: Neither of them were letter writers. Almost all of their correspondence would be through third parties. In fact, we only have one letter written in Kathryn Tudor’s own hand to Alexander. It was shortly after…”
    Selections from the documentary Kathryn Tudor
     
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  9. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    But... But... If Kathryn and Alexander barely spend time together, how on earth are they meant to secure the Succession? I can't see Kathryn letting Alexander go off until they've had children! Not with Maria still alive to cause trouble...
     
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  10. Cate13 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I need to get better at subtly hinting. You totally cottoned on to one of the problems of Kathryn's reign. It was supposed to be a slower build. Kudos for catching it!

    There will be more about the succession issues in later sections.
     
  11. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    TBF, it is a fairly major problem, and dynastic issues are my strong point...
     
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  12. JuliantheUnknown Unknown Member

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    Did you mean grown closer?
     
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  13. Cate13 Well-Known Member

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    Yep, thanks for catching it!
     
  14. Threadmarks: Section Thirty-Two - 1540ish

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    “Prince Charles Tudor, the new Duke of Calais, would arrive with his younger half-brother Duke John Tudor of Julich-Cleves-Berg, in what is now the State of Rhine in the German State, late in the year of fifteen thirty-nine. Initially, the German lords were opposed the Navarrese prince as regent for Duke John. But, Prince Charles earnest and hard-working nature would win them over.

    Prince Charles, the oft forgotten third son of Prince Henry and Queen Catherine of Navarre, flourished in Julich-Cleves-Berg. In Navarre he had been overshadowed by his elder brothers; he had none of King Henri’s magnetism nor had the recently deceased Prince Francis’s charm. But, here in Germany his forthrightness was admired.

    Princess Leonora, Prince Charles’s wife, would spend the next several years traveling back and forth between Calais and Julich-Cleves-Berg. Calais would be left almost entirely in her hands, while her husband was immersed in ruling Duke John’s section of Germany.”
    A.E. Bell, “The Birth of German State”​



    “Queen Maria Tudor of Portugal* died late in the year of fifteen forty-one shortly after the wedding of John Emmanuel of Portugal and Caterina Maria de Medici. She left behind her two sons and three daughters and one granddaughter. Her death would hit King John III especially hard; he would retire from court for several years and would never remarry.

    This left John Emmanuel and Caterina Maria at court. These years were the proving ground of John Emmanuel and Caterina Maria. They would never share the immortal love of John and Maria, but the two would come to trust and rely on each other greatly.”
    Melina Navos, “Caterina, Mother of Iberia”​

    * Daughter of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, not daughter of Arthur I and Catherine of Aragon


    “Elizabeth Hamilton, the only daughter of Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland, to survive to adulthood, was a mere thirteen-years old when her elder half-brother, James V died in Ireland. But the strong-minded young lady, with support from her father, James Hamilton, 1st Earl of Arran, and her betrothed, Matthew Stewart, 4th Earl of Lennox, would emerge as a powerful player in her nephew’s regency.

    Though she held no official position, it would be at her urgings that the full might of Scotland would turn toward Ireland to avenge the death of her brother.”
    Walter Owens, “Bossy, Bossy Bess”​


    “The Irish, used the English methods of warfare, were unprepared for the Scottish forces. The Scottish, unlike the English, had a much better understanding of Irish politics and how to manipulate them. In this, the similarities between the Scottish and the Irish served to quicken the war and then ensure the peace.

    The English had tried to conquer Ireland for almost four hundred years. It took the Scottish two years.”
    Richard Kent, “The Birth of Muir Magi”​
     
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  15. JuliantheUnknown Unknown Member

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    Do you mean hit?
     
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  16. Cate13 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, yes I did. Thanks for catching it!
     
  17. Tyler96 Well-Known Member

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    So the Hamiltons and Lennox Stewarts on friendlier terms ITTL?
     
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  18. Cate13 Well-Known Member

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    Just wait, it doesn't last long :)
     
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  19. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    I thought Margaret married a Douglas OTL. What changed her mind here?
     
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    Maybe Archie did something foolish that put her off?
     
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