Green wouldn't be a Lithuanian color in a TL like you described since it's from the 20th century Lithuanian flag which arose from Lithuanian folk culture and was in part designed to not have reference to Polish-Lithuanian colors. Poland-Lithuania possibly wouldn't even recognize Ukrainians as being native to their state, given OTL interwar Poland attempted to fragment the Ukrainian ethnicity into several categories. I think it looks too crowded compared to the OTL Polish-Lithuanian flag and not likely one to emerge since all nationalities involved would have a wildly different 19th century (as they are not under Russian rule) which would result in very different conceptions of ethnic identity, colors, etc.

If another color besides white was used in the top-left quadrant, then I'd definitely like the top flag but probably wouldn't associate it with Europe.

That's a good point. I think I failed to comprehend the scale of the timeline change that a continuous Poland-Lithuania would cause, and thus ended up creating a flag with modern national colors. And also not a very good flag. Thanks for the feedback, Arkenfolm.
 
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During the early 1800s, Muhammad Ali Pasha, an Albanian, took over Egypt, and rapidly modernized and expanded the country, making it an industrial powerhouse, at least for the Ottoman Empire. Many people know about his conquests that took a massive chunk of the Nile River Basin, but he also conquered other areas: He conquered the Peloponnese to help repress the Greek revolutionaries before the establishment of the first Hellenic Kingdom; But he also conquered all of Hejaz and a sizable portion of Arabia during the Ottoman-Arab (Ottoman-Saudi) War of 1811-1818.

After that, Muhammad Ali just left the land...desolate, and ripe for another Saudi conquest.

But in this timeline, it happens differently: the Hashemite dynasty, along with Muhammad Ali, are ordered to destroy the Saudi State, which they promptly do. But instead of just leaving the area desolate, Muhammad takes control over the entire area, giving nominal suzeranity to the Hashemites. As a result, the Ottoman empire gains a new, (albeit shaky) protectorate in the Arabian peninsula. I wanted to make a flag for this Protectorate of Nejd:

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Muhammad Ali's conquests made him a rival of the Ottoman sultan, so, to better their relations, he gave them his conquered lands in Arabia through the submissive Hashemites.

The flag is mostly green, to represent Islam and prosperity, while the star and crescent represent Turkish authority. The larger, ornate red star represents the Hashemites, as red was their dynastical color. The Shahada on the flag hoist also represents the Hashemites, who have a Shahada in their dynastical flag. I was inspired by the green flag on the Ottoman Coat of Arms.

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Flag of the Protectorate of Nejd, 1818-1919. Actual control over the area lasted between 1818-1824 and 1835-1849.

The Ottomans remain staunch opponents of Wahhabism, but the protectorate changes hands several times--part of it is annexed by the short-lived Second Saudi State, much smaller than the first. However, Muhammad Ali once again wrested control of the area away from the Arabs in the Second Ottoman-Saudi War, from 1834-1835. However, the final collapse of Ottoman authority occured when Ali died in 1849, and his weaker sons were no longer able to control the territory. Though recognized by Britain, the Protectorate of Nejd existed only in name from 1850-1918. After WWI, the British steal the protectorate from under the nose of the Hashemite Syrian Kingdom, and put it under a League of Nations mandate. Wahhabism becomes doesn't dissapear, but becomes even stronger as a result of the infidel occupation, and a resurgent Saudi Kingdom emerges in the 1930s, without the British as their allies. Saudi Arabia now has to coexist with an independent Hejaz, who the British in this timeline still support--and Hejaz, a Hashemite-ruled kingdom, claims all of the former territories of the Protectorate of the Nejd.
 
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But in this timeline, it happens differently: the Hashemite dynasty, along with Muhammad Ali, are ordered to destroy the Saudi State, which they promptly do. But instead of just leaving the area desolate, Muhammad takes control over the entire area, giving nominal suzeranity to the Hashemites. As a result, the Ottoman empire gains a new, (albeit shaky) protectorate in the Arabian peninsula. I wanted to make a flag for this Protectorate of Nejd:

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Muhammad Ali's conquests made him a rival of the Ottoman sultan, so, to better their relations, he gave them his conquered lands in Arabia through the submissive Hashemites.

The flag is mostly green, to represent Islam and prosperity, while the star and crescent represent Turkish authority. The larger, ornate red star represents the Hashemites, as red was their dynastical color. The Shahada on the flag hoist also represents the Hashemites, who have a Shahada in their dynastical flag. I was inspired by the green flag on the Ottoman Coat of Arms.

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Flag of the Protectorate of Nejd, 1818-1919. Actual control over the area lasted between 1818-1824 and 1835-1849.

The Ottomans remain staunch opponents of Wahhabism, but the protectorate change hands several times--part of it is annexed by the short-lived Second Saudi State, much smaller than the first. However, Muhammad Ali once again wrested control of the area away from the Arabs in the Second Ottoman-Saudi War, from 1834-1835. However, the final collapse of Ottoman authority occured when Ali died in 1849, and his weaker sons were no longer able to control the territory. Though recognized by Britain, the Protectorate of Nejd existed only in name from 1850-1918. After WWI, the British steal the protectorate from under the nose of the Hashemite Syrian Kingdom, and put it under a League of Nations mandate. Wahhabism becomes doesn't dissapear, but becomes even stronger as a result of the infidel occupation, and a resurgent Saudi Kingdom emerges in the 1930s, without the British as their allies. Saudi Arabia now has to coexist with an independent Hejaz, who the British in this timeline still support--and Hejaz, a Hashemite-ruled kingdom, claims all of the former territories of the Protectorate of the Nejd.

The backstory for this is very interesting and I'm always game for stuff for the Hashemites.

The flag of the Protectorate is also wonderful looking.
 
Venezuela's flag is not very unique. It carries the same colors as every other northern South American country (albeit, for a good reason, that they were all part of Bolivar's Gran Columbia). However, I wanted to make a flag that would more accurately reflect the recent history and resources of Venezuela rather than it's idealized past. Such a flag would have only been made under a Socialistic or Communistic regime, who liked to replace national flags with plenty of history with simple red banners, or red banners with a few edits, often with the colors Red, Yellow, and, less often, black.

The flag symbolism is this--The yellow stands for a new dawn in Venezuelan history, and for the hope of the people. The red stands for the rich mineral resources of Venezuela and it's workers, and also for it's struggle for independence from U.S. domination. The black stands for Venezuela's "Black Gold"--Venezuela has the largest oil reserves of any country in the world. It also represents the fertile soil of the land. The symbol in the middle is a compass direction pointing south, symbolizing the shift of the balance of power from Northern into Southern latitudes (though Venezuela is technically above the Equator, it is part of South America.) The compass direction is also a stylized "V," standing for the distinctive "V" in Venezuela.

So, I don't know when in history Venezuela would or could switch to a communist or socialist government, but perhaps you guys could find a use for it (feel free to use it for all of your Communist/Socialist alternate histories).

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Variant 1

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Variant 2--contains an 8-pointed Star that combines with the compass symbol to resemble a human with outstretched arms, joyful for the state of Venezuela.
 
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Three days and change left on the current flag challenge!
Still holding out for one more by Monday! Anybody on the fence has 75 hours to get one in!

Flag Challenge 268: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help!"

This challenge comes in two parts:
  1. Pick a supernatural or sci-fi issue or setting detail. The setting should otherwise be recognizably the recent past or present.
  2. Create a flag for a government agency (secret or otherwise) tasked with dealing with it.

Submissions Open: Now
Submissions Close: Monday, May 30, 10:30 PM Central Standard Time

Please remember to review the RULES, especially concerning flag size. For an image in a single-flag entry, the shortest side must be 600 pixels or less, and the longest side must be 1200 pixels or less.

"Recent past" in this instance is hereby pegged to the last 150 years or so. The actual country doesn't matter and can be an entirely AH creation but the POD should occur within that timeframe.
 
In an alternate WWII, Admiral Isoruko Yamamoto survives the American attempt on his life, and guides the Japanese Empire towards the course of surrender after America retakes the Phillipines and begins landing troops in China. As a leader in the peace process, Yamamoto agrees to the cession of all Japanese gains outside of South Sakhalin, and the creation of a new "Empire of Korea" under joint US and Kuomintang control to keep out the Soviets. Peace in Asia is achieved in 1944 instead of 1945. As a result, the first Atomic bombs are never dropped on Japan. However, the Soviets still learn of the Bomb's nature and begin building one of their own.

Meanwhile, the People's Liberation Army pushes the Kuomintang completely out of Northern China and down into the province Guangdong, but U.S. troops, as a result of not having to fight the Japanese for as long (and thus are less tired), manage to hold the PRC's hand. Eventually, they drop the first-ever atomic bomb on the PRC's new capital, Beijing, in early 1949. The Soviets, who in our timeline did not complete an Atomic Bomb until August 1949, are shocked. In the chaos, American and Kuomintang troops drive north to the Yangtze river before being stopped by a Soviet-supported PRC. Meanwhile, the west of China breaks away into many separate Warlords and East Turkestan. Meanwhile, the PRC shifts their capital to the industrial city of Taiyuan in Shanxi.

The Soviets and Americans broke off diplomatic negotiations after the dropping of the first Atomic Bomb on Beijing. The Soviets become paranoid, and Stalin threatens to bomb America into rubble should any more Atomic Bombs be dropped (by this point, the Soviets had developed their first Nuclear bombs). The 50s until Stalin's death become the most tense years the world has ever experienced, instead of in the 60s under Khruschev. The world waits in terror for the final, world-ending war to begin.

And the world probably would have ended, if Stalin hadn't died in 1953 of a heart attack. Though Khruschev is an unreasonable man occasionally, he manages to repair some of the relations between the United States and the Soviet Union. Back to China--the PRC occupies all of China North of the Yangtze, including Tibet and East Turkestan, while the Kuomintang, heavily influenced by the US, establishes their dictatorship in Southern China proper. Korea becomes a political battleground for the two nations. At this point, the Empire of Korea is de facto as U.S. protectorate, but both the PRC and the Kuomintang claim it. The two Chinas to the world become known as China-Taiyuan and China-Nanjing. As a result of U.S. Aid and economic reforms China-Nanjing becomes highly prosperous, while China-Taiyuan becomes a highly-nationalistic impoverished nation, much like the North Korea of today.

As part of the easing of relations with the United States, the Soviet Union advises China-Taiyuan to cooperate with China-Nanjing and the Empire of Korea to create the Seoul Conference, held in the Korean capital every year to bring a reconciliation between the three important East Asian nations. The two most important goals of the Conference is to bring about a reconcilliation, or at least an agreement between both Chinas, and an agreement between all parties of the status of Korea. Though only three nations participate, it becomes a back-channel for the US and the Soviets to communicate with each other in tense times, and the US, USSR, and Japan are observing Members.

Eventually, China-Nanjing and China-Taiyuan agree to an independent Korea in the 1970s during the detente, but even after the Cold War ends the Conference continues to be had. The border between both Chinas becomes the most heavily-guarded in the world, with all bridges over the Yangtze destroyed save one, for diplomatic negotiations. The long table inside the negotiations room becomes famous for the "Red Line" drawn across it to represent the border between the two countries. The Seoul Conference remains an important part of peace in mainland East Asia to this day.

The Flag: the flag is fairly straightforward--it contains in the center a tricolored Taeguk, a symbol of Korea, that represents Heaven, Earth, and Humanity. Each color and symbol represents a specific nation--the Yellow and Plum Blossom represent the Empire of Korea; the blue and White Sun represent China-Nanjing, and the Red and Yellow Star represent China-Taiyuan. The three stripes on the hoist represent the same countries. White symbolizes peace.

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Flag of the Seoul Conference
 
Who rules this Empire of Korea? Did they restore the Joseon?

They did not. The Joseon were all dead at this point, so in a situation similar to Hungary they installed a regent (Hungary was known as the "Kingdom of Hungary," but had no king, only a regent, Miklos Horthy). This regent would rule as a dictator for quite a while, all while "searching" for a successor to the Joseon.

Actually, I was wrong, and Gokbay was right. I just didn't read far enough I suppose. Now that I know this, maybe they would come back to rule the Empire of Korea.
 
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They did not. The Joseon were all dead at this point, so in a situation similar to Hungary they installed a regent (Hungary was known as the "Kingdom of Hungary," but had no king, only a regent, Miklos Horthy). This regent would rule as a dictator for quite a while, all while "searching" for a successor to the Joseon.

No they weren't.

The last Korean Emperor's brothers lived until 1955 and 1970 respectively,

There was a controversy of succession in 2005 but there would be no issue about succession in late 40s/early 50s.
 
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This is the last flag I'll be posting for a week here, since I have to start training for work at a summer camp. I don't have much background for this at all, but feel free to use it for all your U.S. Communist/California Communist Alt-Hists:

The Flag of the Californian People's Republic:

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Alternate Version without golden bar:

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La Bandera De La Republica De Santa Banana, (Flag of the Republic of Santa Banana)

-La Republica De Santa Banana is a country in the world of Mergilia whereas, it is a nation of humans and demihumans. They were once part of the Kingdom of Li Shan, but when a civil war broke between the ambitious nobles and children due to the king forgetting to appoint a successor to succeed him before dying. With that the country plunged into a brutal civil war with a couple of provinces declaring themselves neutral, and a few seceded due to the brutality and declared their own states. One of them being La Republica De Santa Banana, a Republic forming from the neutral provinces as the war went into more destruction towards the kingdom. Whereas the landowners, merchants, artisans and other influential of the people of the province had assembled themselves in Santa Banana City, the biggest city in the country and declared the Provisional Government of Santa Banana. Later they would realize that they have a world monopoly on bananas, whereas they would declare a state monopoly on the production, wholesale, and export of bananas meanwhile placing strict regulations on the retail of one. As Because almost everyone loves bananas addicted to it spending every day a third of their salary for ,bananas they grew extremely rich factoring in also they being located at a very important trade node, at the Isthmus of Santa Banana. They would become a republic ruled by the few who can afford to vote as there are wealth and income requirements in classifying voting people, technically the middle class and elites. Aside from that the peasantry is slowly agitating for more reforms as they are paid and treated poorly in the banana plantations of Santa Banana Fruit Trust Inc the state monopoly that controls virtually all bananas in the world

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Draft flag for my TL (in the signature below) where the Kingdom of Hawai`i becomes a British protectorate and part of the Dominion rather than a US state. As such, I felt a desire to alter the flag, since I feel like with the more pro-British sentiment would mean Hawaiians wouldn't like a flag that has stripes like the American flag. So I modeled this flag after that of Australia and New Zealand. I put eight stars on the flag to represent each of the eight main Hawaiian islands. I debated putting a stylized pineapple in the center of this field of stars, but figured that would be too silly. Not sure how plausible this idea is in general; it's perhaps more plausible that the Hawaiian people would stick with the "original" flag even in this scenario, seeing as that flag was used by the British, but I wanted to explore this possibility at least for a brief exercise in procrastination.

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Flag Challenge 268: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help!"

This challenge comes in two parts:
  1. Pick a supernatural or sci-fi issue or setting detail. The setting should otherwise be recognizably the recent past or present.
  2. Create a flag for a government agency (secret or otherwise) tasked with dealing with it.
 
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