Can I tempt anyone in to producing a drawing of a B747 as a C5 alternative?
Taken off the net . . . will these do.
The Boeing 747 based C-X entry
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Can I tempt anyone in to producing a drawing of a B747 as a C5 alternative?
Dassault's a Go-Go Part II
Carrying from the earlier Dassault a Go Go post and continuing in the same timeline as before. This concerns the Ouragan and the Mystere series of aircraft becoming standard European combat aircraft instead of the F-84 & F-86 series.
BELGUIM
120 x Ouragan
120 x Mystere I/II
120 x Mystere IV
120 x Super Mystere
All license built by SABCA instead of 444 x F-84 in OTL
GERMANY
240 x Ouragan
240 x Mystere i/II
240 x Mystere IV
240 x Super Mystere
All license built instead of 783 x F-84 & 163 x F-86 in OTL
GREECE
72 x Ouragan
72 x Mystere I/II
72 x Mystere IV
72 x Super Mystere
All license built by FIAT instead of 382 F-84 & F-86 in OTL
ITALY
160 x Ouragan
160 x Mystere I/II
160 x Mystere IV
160 x Super Mystere
All license built by FIAT instead of 525+ F-84 & 155 x F-86 in OTL
NETHERLANDS
120 x Ouragan
120 x Mystere I/II
120 x Mystere IV
120 x Super Mystere
All license built by FOKKER instead of 377 x F-84 & 63 x F-86 in OTL
PORTUGAL
48 x Ouragan
48 x Mystere I/II
48 x Mystere IV
48 x Super Mystere
All built in France instead of 125 x F-84 & 65 x F-86 in OTL
SPAIN
60 x Ouragan
60 x Mystere I/II
60 x Mystere IV
60 x Super Mystere
All built in France instead of 270 x F-86 in OTL
TURKEY
160 x Ouragan
160 x Mystere I/II
160 x Mystere IV
160 x Super Mystere
All built in France instead of 483 x F-84 & 206 x F-100 in OTL
Boeing was already busy enough (on the Commercial level), Lockmart? Not so much.Taken off the net . . . will these do.
The Boeing 747 based C-X entry
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That's why they did the smart thing and got on the F-104G program. For a little airforce? Being able to offer 60 mission capable strike aircraft into the battle plan of 2 AFCENT should certainly indicate a commitment under the NATO manifest?Four types instead of one for a small air force like that of Belgium? Madness.
Boeing was already busy enough (on the Commercial level), Lockmart? Not so much.
Hence the reason for the C-5A
Which is why I raised the query. That query has a follow on, namely a civilian airline based on the C5 i.e. swap there fates aroundThe 747 series was originally designed from the Boeing's C-X application not the other way around.
Without the C-X program they'd be no 747.
Which is why I raised the query. That query has a follow on, namely a civilian airline based on the C5 i.e. swap there fates around
any foreign sales?The North American Aerospace Co hit the sweet spot!
1950's
The F-108 Rapier gets chosen instead of the CONVAIR F-106 Delta Dagger
377 produced plus a further 1,000 to replace the CONVAIR F-102 Delta Dart
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Flushed with their success they then go on to win the F-X contract in the late 60's with their NA-335 proposal which in the OTL was won by McDonnell's F-15 Eagle.
750 were originally built in the late 70's but ultimately 1,500 were as multi-role aircraft for the USAF replacing the F-4 Phantom & F-111's
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Much obliged!
Thanks, looks like a F-14 & aF15 got very intimateYes.
I've just re-edited both the F-108 & NA-335 sales!
Much obliged!
Who the hell makes all of these though?Fairy Delta 2 Multi-role fighter.
Marcel Bloch (Dassault Aviation) "If it were not for the clumsy way you tackle things in Britain . . . you could've made the Mirage yourself!"
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Based on a timeline were the Fairy Delta II was developed for the RAF instead of the BAC (EE) Lightning during the infamous Sandy's Review and sold around the world instead of the Mirage III/5 series. France due to pride still goes on to develop their Mirage series.
Time of sales 1960 to 1980
ARGENTINA
82 purchased instead of 42 Mirage III/5 & 40 A-4 in OTL
These were used with some success in the Falklands War of 1982
AUSTRALIA
116 license produced instead of 116 Mirage III in OTL.
BELGIUM
422 license produced by SABCA instead of 53 x AVRO CF-100, 256 x Hawker Hunter, 106 x Mirage 5, 113 x F-104 in OTL.
BRAZIL
74 purchased instead of 32 x Mirage 5 & 42 x F-5 in OTL
CANADA
351 license produced instead of 238 x F-104 & 132 x F-101 in OTL
CHILE
17 purchased instead 17 x Mirage 5 in OTL
COLOMBIA
18 purchased instead of 18 x Mirage 5 in OTL
DENMARK
53 purchased (built by SABCA) instead of 53 x F-104 in OTL
ECUADOR
34 purchased instead of 12 x Mirage 5 & 22 x BAC Strikemaster in OTL
EGYPT
118 purchased instead of 82 x Mirage 5 & 36 x F-4 in OTL
ETHIOPIA
26 purchased instead of 26 x F-5 in OTL
GERMANY
1266 license produced by VFW/DORNIER instead of 916 x F-104 & 350 x G-91 in OTL.
GREECE
281 license produced by AeritaliaI instead of 40 x Mirage F-1, 60 x F-4, 60 x A-7, 51 x F-104 & 70 F-5 in OTL
INDIA
50 purchased of which a further 544 licensed produced by HAL instead of 262 x Hawker Hunter & 332 x MiG 21 in OTL
ISRAEL
50 purchased of which a further 564 licensed built by IAI instead of 206 x F-4, 191 Mirage 5 & 217 A-4's in OTL
IRAN
352 purchased instead of 225 x F-4 & 127 x F-5 in OTL
IRAQ
12 purchased instead of 12 x Hawker Hunter in OTL
ITALY
591 license built by Aeritalia instead of 360 x F-14 & 231 x G-91 in OTL
JORDAN
76 purchased instead of 36 x Hawker Hunter & 36 x F-104 in OTL
KUWAIT
93 purchased instead of 35 x Mirage F-1, 14 x BAC Lightning, 12 x BAC Strikemaster, 36 x A-4 in OTL
LEBANON
12 purchased instead of 12 x Mirage 5 in OTL
LIBYA
150 purchased instead of 110 x Mirage 5 & 40 Mirage F-1 in OTL
MALAYSIA
60 purchased instead of 40 x A-4 & 18 F-5 in OTL
NETHERLANDS
241 licensed produced by FOKKER instead of 45 x F-104 & 105 x F-5 in OTL
NEW ZEALAND
36 purchased and license built in Australia instead of 14 x A-4 & 22 x BAC Strikemaster in OTL
NORWAY
153 purchased and license produced by FOKKER instead of 45 x F-104 & 108 x F-5 in OTL
OMAN
60 purchased instead of 24 x BAC Strikemaster & 32 x Hawker Hunter in OTL
PAKISTAN
76 purchased instead of 52 x Mirage 5 & 24 x F-104 in OTL
PERU
65 purchased instead of 48 x Mirage 5 & 17 Hawker Hunter in OTL
PHILIPPINES
36 purchased instead of 36 x F-5 in OTL
SAUDIA ARABIA
214 purchased instead of 40 x BAC Lightning, 45 x BAC Strikemaster & 129 x F-5 in OTL
SINGAPORE
212 purchased instead of 16 x BAC Strikemaster, 46 x Hawker Hunter & 150 x A-4 in OTL
SOUTH AFRICA
58 purchased as kits to be assembled locally instead of 58 x Mirage 5 in OTL
SPAIN
52 license built by CASA instead of 22 x F-104 & 30 x Mirage 5
SWITZERLAND
260 license built instead of 61 x Mirage 5, 98 x F-5 & 100 x Hawker Hunter in OTL
TURKEY
254 purchased instead of 52 x F-104 & to replace 206 F-100 in OTL
VENEZUELA
54 purchased instead of 26 x Mirage 5 & 18 x F-5 in OTL
UAE
31 purchased instead of 31 x Mirage 5 in OTL
UNITED KINGDOM
600 built instead of 280 x BAC Lightning and replacing Javelin, Hunter in OTL (No F-4, Jaguar & Buccaneer ordered)
ZAIRE
12 purchased instead of 12 x Mirage in OTL
An update will follow regarding of the Fairy Delta III, a twin engine version that went on sale from 1982 onwards.
IRISH SELF DEFENSE AIR FORCE (ISDF/AF) - a timeline
Set up in 1924 the ISDF/AF is the air defense air of the Irish Armed Forces. It was quickly accepted that like other neutral nations such as Sweden and Switzerland a strong air force would be needed to enforce the republics neutrality. With this in mind a large expansion of the original Irish Air Corp would take place with a onus on getting aircraft from non-aligned countries if possible.
It's more likely that the RAF would buy the twin-engine EE Lightning AND the single-engine Fairey Delta 2.Based on a timeline were the Fairy Delta II was developed for the RAF instead of the BAC (EE) Lightning during the infamous Sandy's Review and sold around the world instead of the Mirage III/5 series. France due to pride still goes on to develop their Mirage series.
That's going to be difficult because the Belgian CF-100s and Hunters were built in the 1950s.Time of sales 1960 to 1980
BELGIUM
422 license produced by SABCA instead of 53 x AVRO CF-100, 256 x Hawker Hunter, 106 x Mirage 5, 113 x F-104 in OTL.