Blue Skies in Camelot: An Alternate 60's and Beyond
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A metaphor about as subtle as a brick to the face. A brick made of compressed Michael Moore movies.Sharon Tate and Leonard Nimoy were the ones to share the kiss on screen.I believe Nerdman's point was that because Tate's character, Jane Kirk, was essentially a female version of Shatner's Character, James Kirk; then the episode was implying that Spock could share feelings for at least the personality of his captain, thus a potential for homoerotic overtones.
Dude, in OTL Kirk and Spock rolled on the ground face to face clutching each other in a "fight" when Spock was overcome by mating urges and uncontrolled emotion.
This is just icing on the cake.
Oh, the J'Nai episode? Yeah, that one really should've had all-male actors. Also, Frakes is good people, he needs to get more work post-TNG.
Keep in mind btw that OTL DS9 had a lesbian kiss in primetime. Episode Rejoined. They were only barred from making Bashir and Garak canon by Rick Berman and the Suits, too.
And that's such a meta metaphor, in that it is of itself not subtle
And don't forget this little bit...
It should have. Absolutely. And fair play for Frakes liking that idea.
He is and he should.
Though he had at least one thoroughly memorable role...
God I loved this show...and so many Trek actors doing voices... Frakes, Marina Sirtis, Brent Spiner, Kate Mulgrew...
I know... Maybe ITTL alt-DS9 will be even more courageous
Thank you so much Aero and ImperialTheorist!
Thrilled as always that you enjoyed the update. I can't wait to write about Star Trek again, though as the update stated, it will unfortunately be a while before any news on what comes next. I will definitely keep up with the careers of the cast in the meantime, though. Oh you know it
...If this happens I will quit merely loving this TL and may propose to it
Why, thank you!
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Althou its definitely not YA literature, Maurice by E.M. Foster, published in 1971, had the two main characters happily ever after. Crazy thing is, it was writen in 1913!
and it will most likely published for several more years because 60s instuions and morals have not been properly shaken ITTL.
Wow...hadn’t heard of it before...
I’d say it could be published around the same fine as OTL ITTL... Stonewall still happened on time, a major part of gay cinema got released, a lot of the same stuff as OTL happened ITTL - I’d say in general that LGBT rights are at least on track for the same level of progress as OTL. And from hints the OP has dropped, things could be better ITTL
Actually... @President_Lincoln , would Dirk Bogarde’s Victim have been released at the same time as OTL?
Good update, @President_Lincoln. The Spock/Kirk kiss (granted, an opposite-sex kiss) will kick off slash fic everywhere, I suspect...
Interesting at seeing all the feuds developing (though, to be fair, Shatner did have those feuds in IOTL; he and Nichelle Nichols didn't get along, as well, to the point that, when he interviewed her for his book Star Trek Memories, she took the opportunity to tell him why she hated him. They both agreed on the interracial kiss in Plato's Stepchildren in spite of their hatred for each other) on Star Trek. Nichelle Nichols considered quitting, but MLK convinced her to stay on, saying that she was a good role model for young children IOTL (1). Did that still happen ITTL?
Nice to see Townes' better career ITTL and his romance with Emmylou Harris; that will be interesting, methinks...
"Here Comes the Sun" was a song written by George Harrison and sung by the Beatles in September of 1969, so congrats for continuing the pattern, @President_Lincoln, and waiting for more...
(1) To quote Whoopi Goldberg: "There's a black lady on TV and she ain't no maid!"
Interesting at seeing all the feuds developing (though, to be fair, Shatner did have those feuds in IOTL; he and Nichelle Nichols didn't get along, as well, to the point that, when he interviewed her for his book Star Trek Memories, she took the opportunity to tell him why she hated him. They both agreed on the interracial kiss in Plato's Stepchildren in spite of their hatred for each other) on Star Trek. Nichelle Nichols considered quitting, but MLK convinced her to stay on, saying that she was a good role model for young children IOTL (1). Did that still happen ITTL?
Nice to see Townes' better career ITTL and his romance with Emmylou Harris; that will be interesting, methinks...
"Here Comes the Sun" was a song written by George Harrison and sung by the Beatles in September of 1969, so congrats for continuing the pattern, @President_Lincoln, and waiting for more...
(1) To quote Whoopi Goldberg: "There's a black lady on TV and she ain't no maid!"
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...If this happens I will quit merely loving this TL and may propose to it
One of the things I really like about this TL is that it seems better than canon without being obnoxiously so as some timelines are.
Thank you so much, Unknown!
I'm so happy to hear that you enjoyed the update and that the streak lives on. To answer your question, Dr. King did in fact still ask Ms. Nichols to stay on the show as a positive role model ITTL.
Thanks, Julian!
I'm thrilled that you feel that way about the timeline. My goal is never to make things seem utopian, just a positive, sometimes idealistic look at what could have been.THe problem with Shatner is that his ego is like that rock he wants to make love to in Star Trek V. It's a towering pillar of uncontained self-regard that looms over his entire personality. Everybody who interacts with him must face it sooner or later.
That's why you need Nicholas Meyer. He is the Shatner Whisperer.
That needs to be the name of a book....or a behind the scenes featurette.....maybe a gag credit near the end of list in the end credits of a movie/TV show...
Also Leonard Nimoy. He was one of the few people Shatner respected and the two were real friends, but Nimoy was also friends with the rest of the cast - especially after he threatened to walk from TAS unless they got the whole cast back. You need him for it all to run smoothly.
I threw the idea of a 70’s Sulu series up on the Misc Star Trek thread if folk want to throw ideas about: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...tar-trek-thread.400203/page-241#post-17613806