What are some ways after 1900 for the government of Brazil to have a larger role in world war one or two?
What are some ways after 1900 for the government of Brazil to have a larger role in world war one or two?
1. Even though Brazil, particulary southern Brazil, was relatively wealthy, Brazil as a while let was an underdeveloped country, poor and relatively lacking in industry. What POD would let Brazil become an industrial power?
2. What would Brazil have to gain? Even assuming a Brazil that was as thoroughly and uniformly developed as the great powers of western and central Europe, what would the country have to gain from getting involved in the First World War?
What are some ways after 1900 for the government of Brazil to have a larger role in world war one or two?
World War II -Brazil goes fascist and joins the Axis. This puts them at the level of Italy and at the least complicates things for the USA.
And I think it needs to be a neighbor that Brazil is concerned about their power and concerned about their ability to reach populated areas of Brazil. Argentina in the CP gets responded to a *lot* differently than Bolivia or Columbia.Can any way be found to get one of Brazil’s neighbors to side with the Central Powers? About the only way I can think to get them in WWI.
The Imperial navy defeats the Repúblican and army coup,give full support
to princess Isabel,
Now, for WWI there is little that Brazil with a 1900 PoD can do, the country is devastated, the central government is close to non existent being more of a diplomatic base than a real institution and the country is broken into oligarchs ruling their fiefdoms and barely, barely trying to keep up with Mexico and Argentina. For the 2nd world war to Brazil have a larger role you just need to wait. Brazil mobilized one million men but most of them didn't had the time to arrive in Europe. Furthermore Brail was training troops to fight in the pacific too, one air squad even got mobilized and fully equiped to be sent but japan surrendered on the day of the departure. If you get a scenario that the war take one, two, maybe three more years then you will see hundreds of thousands of brazilians arriving in Europe.
Im wondering if there’s a way an earlier act of Nazi aggression would lead to there bigger role if they join sooner
Had WWI been in 1905 or earlier, I'd have agreed that Brazil was devastated, after that, no. As bad as the First Republic system was, it was working as well as it could by 1914. Also, there was a plan in OTL to send large numbers of troops to France in 1918, to be trained and equipped by the French(don't know why it was shelved, just that it was). For WWII, having a longer war would mean more time for Brazil to send troops and units, but it would also mean a(much) bigger chance of the US saying 'screw it' and nuking the remaining Axis powers. An earlier entrance in the war would probably be better.
It wasn't. In 1914 there was already a massive pressure building up that exploded in the 1917 general strike.
It is impossible for a pro axis Brazil to join the axis, you can read more here.
That was the system working as well as it could. Yes, it's a low bar to clear, but the General Strike of 1917 was in no way as bad as the 1890's had been, or the Rio de Janeiro Vaccine Riots of 1904, or even most of the Hermes da Fonseca years(1910-14, for those not versed on Brazilian history), where you had outright fighting between the Brazilian Army and local forces. As for regional governors refusing to send troops, it was possible, yes, but I think that it wouldn't be a problem. São Paulo, Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul would go for it IMO, with a good chance that Bahia would also go for it. With those states, you have most of the state troops available.
As for an earlier entrance in WWII meaning less concessions for Brazilian joining the Allies, probably yes. I'd say, though, that having more people on the frontlines should be able to get a lot of things in the end, including ones Brazil didn't get.
Yes, you are right, these three would send them. Maybe we could have 200 thousand people at the european front? But I don't think all of them would be used for combat, the entente probably would put us on auxiliary work and leave the fight for themselves, I don't recall were I readed that but during WWII one of the problems we had is that while the brazilian manpower reserves were massive, due malnurishment only a parcel of that could be trained at the same level of the european soldier, this would be even worse for WWI.
Edit: The 1917 general strike would ruin the brazilian war effort in the middle of the conflict, that is for granted.
I don't think it would get more concessions at the end of WWII with a earlier brazilian entry, the USA broke two of the three main promises they made to us, first we ddin't got our permanent seat on the UN security concil, and they also had promissed to buy all our surplus food exports until 1949, but that was also broken with the end of the war.