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Yo, long time since I've posted here. I made this.

What is this? It's Earth. Third planet from the sun. In the futuristic year of 2022.
Spectacular! I love the artwork, the websites, and the quips in the country boxes. The drawing of protesters in New York is especially amazing. As for the scenario:

Best Aspects:
  • Palestine is Free
  • Better situation for Uyghurs
Worst Aspects:
  • Nuclear War
  • Prager U still exists
 
Spectacular! I love the artwork, the websites, and the quips in the country boxes. The drawing of protesters in New York is especially amazing. As for the scenario:

Best Aspects:
  • Palestine is Free
  • Better situation for Uyghurs
Worst Aspects:
  • Nuclear War
  • Prager U still exists
and that Steve Irwin is still alive warms my soul.
 
This is a continuation of my previous map of Alexander the Great's Empire in 288 B.C.

This map was inspired by many other maps and pixel art made by many mapmakers and artists throughout the years.

Questions and comments are always appreciated!

dfhzm2i-1260b22f-50e6-4cde-887a-cbf8f0cc1abe.png

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Following Alexander's death, the Macedonian Empire entered a Golden Age - the Pax Macedonica according to the Romans (a people more or less irrelevant in this world) - which was an age of lasting peace and prosperity throughout the realm. It was also a time of massive cultural exchanges as much of the known world was Hellenized in various degrees. Expansion of the Empire - the Oikoumene - ceased by the time Alexander's grandson Alexander V took the throne, but the spread of Hellenistic culture did not cease. Greek became the lingua franca and could be heard by traders and diplomats as far apart as Britain and the East Indies by the 1st Century AD. Greek architecture was constructed by Gaul and Parthian alike. Greek philosophical ideas influenced many from Egypt to Babylon to Persia and beyond. Interestingly, the ideas of foreign cultures also affected the Greeks in many ways thanks to Alexander's policy of assimilating Greek soldiers and elites with non-greek elites.

Religion in the Empire was eventually fixed into a modified Hellenic religion. The Cult of Alexander formed the basis of the civil religion which supplemented the old gods. Indeed many aspects of the Alexander cult were inspired by the old god-kings of Egypt and Mesopotamia. Also, initially Stoicism and then Neoplatonism a few centuries later became the dominant intellectual foundation of the religion, at least to the elites and intellectuals. Non-hellenic ideas came to affect the popular religion as well. Reincarnation from the Indians became popular, but also especially Iranian and Semitic ideas of the Apocalypse, Last Judgement and coming of the Saviour at the End of Days. (Of course, the Saviour is expected to be the reincarnation of Alexander who would come again in glory to conquer the entire world definitively, judge the nations, institute cultic reform and bring the mythic Golden Age back to earth.)

Peace and prosperity were good - but it could not last forever. Eventually, the Empire grew weak, divided. Her elites became depraved and lacked the unity that drove their ancestors to conquer the world, and then overcome by plague and new ambitious rivals, the Empire eventually fell in the second century AD.

In the coming centuries Carthage began to truly blossom as Macedonian power waned. Her captains succeeded in punicizing Hispania and chastising the upstart Romans effectively. But then, her explorers and merchants accidentally discovered the New World. This accident brought new opportunities to the Carthaginians, no stranger to opportunities indeed. Trade contacts with the natives began, slowly at first but then much more. Settlements were established at lucrative sites. Carthage had no interest in conquering the peoples of the New World, which gave the natives much needed time and space to recover from the Old World diseases that brought disaster to their peoples.

What befell the peoples of the New World was nothing short of a tragedy. With time however, the New World began to recover and reach their historic potential in the face of Carthaginian trade dominance and visits from other inquisitive sailors and explorers like the Norse and Celts.

The Maya experienced their Classic Era, differently perhaps, but still a time of cultural flourishing. The peoples of the Mississippi region and Peru were also able to recover from the diseases and mass migrations caused by the plagues. Old World technology were at first adopted reluctantly, then enthusiastically and then innovated by the peoples of the New. And soon, the New World could match the Old in technology.

The Inca and Mexica peoples would much later form empires that could match the empires of the Old World in grandeur.

In the North, the Gauls formed an hegemony which was overran by later Germanic migrations to some extent. Speaking of the Germanics, the Norse after an age of activity of plunder and terror, settled down and were able to settle the OTL St Lawrence Valley around the time Carthaginian settlements grew to wealthy trade ports and merchant towns in the Caribbean and New World coasts.

In the East, the Warring States Period in China arrived to a similar conclusion as in OTL. The Kingdom of Qin created a short-lived empire and then fell in a civil war before reuniting again into a more moderate and long-lasting dynasty. This dynasty, the Chu, took the place of the Han in OTL and fell apart in the 3rd century AD. Centuries of division followed by unification into a grand and cosmopolitan Zhou China which brought the glories of Chinese civilization to Nippon, among others and pacified the northern barbarians. However, various nomadic peoples, in succession, conquered much of China once the Zhou dynasty declines and falls due to internal issues. This is why much of the West calls China Cathay in this world - named after the Khitai who conquer China in numerous occasions.

India following the Maurya was initially very similar to OTL. Various regional kingdoms dominated the political landscape while occasionally one kingdom manages to claim hegemony like the OTL Gupta. However, these rarely last more than a few decades and a long "Warring States Era" in India develop. Fate would decree, however, that this series of events would not last forever, though, and by about AD 800 one single dynasty based in the populous Ganges valley conquers all of India in a much more definitive manner than what the Maurya ever achieved. This was hard fought and what resulted ensured that the previous state of affairs could no longer continue. Thus, they - the Neo-Gupta - usher in the Imperial Age for India. The Neo-Gupta were patrons of Buddhism which inevitably flourishes and eclipses Hinduism as the dominant religion of India. The peoples of Southeast Asia are brought into an Indian-style tributary system thanks to the efforts of the Neo-Gupta predecessors - the Chola and other Tamil states - whose efforts were taken over by the Neo-Gupta.

Once this Neo-Gupta Indian Empire declines and falls, they are replaced by the energetic Satavahana who are dominant especially during the 13th and 14th centuries.

Africa develops her own states and imperial traditions. Aksum in the east and Timbuktu in the west form the core of these empires. Though it must be mentioned that the Kongo in central Africa are a notable regional power in their own right. And of course, Kilwa, the queen of the Swahili cities, looks overseas to expand her influence.

In the lands once under Macedonia however, the region was afflicted by numerous warlords and shifting regional powers for a few centuries. It seemed as if Macedonia was only to be found in the pages of history, forever lost to the world. But, the Macedonian imperial idea proved too strong to resist. Soon enough, an ambitious warlord fulfilled the dream of centuries and was able to conquer his rivals and reunite the lands once part of the old empire. Centuries have passed since Macedonia was a great empire on earth, and in a similar manner to OTL China, Macedonia long divided has united. The Magi tell us only Helios-Ahura Mazda, who gives to each empire its allotment, knows how long this iteration of Macedonia will last.
 
This is a continuation of my previous map of Alexander the Great's Empire in 288 B.C.

This map was inspired by many other maps and pixel art made by many mapmakers and artists throughout the years.

Questions and comments are always appreciated!

dfhzm2i-1260b22f-50e6-4cde-887a-cbf8f0cc1abe.png

___________________________
Following Alexander's death, the Macedonian Empire entered a Golden Age - the Pax Macedonica according to the Romans (a people more or less irrelevant in this world) - which was an age of lasting peace and prosperity throughout the realm. It was also a time of massive cultural exchanges as much of the known world was Hellenized in various degrees. Expansion of the Empire - the Oikoumene - ceased by the time Alexander's grandson Alexander V took the throne, but the spread of Hellenistic culture did not cease. Greek became the lingua franca and could be heard by traders and diplomats as far apart as Britain and the East Indies by the 1st Century AD. Greek architecture was constructed by Gaul and Parthian alike. Greek philosophical ideas influenced many from Egypt to Babylon to Persia and beyond. Interestingly, the ideas of foreign cultures also affected the Greeks in many ways thanks to Alexander's policy of assimilating Greek soldiers and elites with non-greek elites.

Religion in the Empire was eventually fixed into a modified Hellenic religion. The Cult of Alexander formed the basis of the civil religion which supplemented the old gods. Indeed many aspects of the Alexander cult were inspired by the old god-kings of Egypt and Mesopotamia. Also, initially Stoicism and then Neoplatonism a few centuries later became the dominant intellectual foundation of the religion, at least to the elites and intellectuals. Non-hellenic ideas came to affect the popular religion as well. Reincarnation from the Indians became popular, but also especially Iranian and Semitic ideas of the Apocalypse, Last Judgement and coming of the Saviour at the End of Days. (Of course, the Saviour is expected to be the reincarnation of Alexander who would come again in glory to conquer the entire world definitively, judge the nations, institute cultic reform and bring the mythic Golden Age back to earth.)

Peace and prosperity were good - but it could not last forever. Eventually, the Empire grew weak, divided. Her elites became depraved and lacked the unity that drove their ancestors to conquer the world, and then overcome by plague and new ambitious rivals, the Empire eventually fell in the second century AD.

In the coming centuries Carthage began to truly blossom as Macedonian power waned. Her captains succeeded in punicizing Hispania and chastising the upstart Romans effectively. But then, her explorers and merchants accidentally discovered the New World. This accident brought new opportunities to the Carthaginians, no stranger to opportunities indeed. Trade contacts with the natives began, slowly at first but then much more. Settlements were established at lucrative sites. Carthage had no interest in conquering the peoples of the New World, which gave the natives much needed time and space to recover from the Old World diseases that brought disaster to their peoples.

What befell the peoples of the New World was nothing short of a tragedy. With time however, the New World began to recover and reach their historic potential in the face of Carthaginian trade dominance and visits from other inquisitive sailors and explorers like the Norse and Celts.

The Maya experienced their Classic Era, differently perhaps, but still a time of cultural flourishing. The peoples of the Mississippi region and Peru were also able to recover from the diseases and mass migrations caused by the plagues. Old World technology were at first adopted reluctantly, then enthusiastically and then innovated by the peoples of the New. And soon, the New World could match the Old in technology.

The Inca and Mexica peoples would much later form empires that could match the empires of the Old World in grandeur.

In the North, the Gauls formed an hegemony which was overran by later Germanic migrations to some extent. Speaking of the Germanics, the Norse after an age of activity of plunder and terror, settled down and were able to settle the OTL St Lawrence Valley around the time Carthaginian settlements grew to wealthy trade ports and merchant towns in the Caribbean and New World coasts.

In the East, the Warring States Period in China arrived to a similar conclusion as in OTL. The Kingdom of Qin created a short-lived empire and then fell in a civil war before reuniting again into a more moderate and long-lasting dynasty. This dynasty, the Chu, took the place of the Han in OTL and fell apart in the 3rd century AD. Centuries of division followed by unification into a grand and cosmopolitan Zhou China which brought the glories of Chinese civilization to Nippon, among others and pacified the northern barbarians. However, various nomadic peoples, in succession, conquered much of China once the Zhou dynasty declines and falls due to internal issues. This is why much of the West calls China Cathay in this world - named after the Khitai who conquer China in numerous occasions.

India following the Maurya was initially very similar to OTL. Various regional kingdoms dominated the political landscape while occasionally one kingdom manages to claim hegemony like the OTL Gupta. However, these rarely last more than a few decades and a long "Warring States Era" in India develop. Fate would decree, however, that this series of events would not last forever, though, and by about AD 800 one single dynasty based in the populous Ganges valley conquers all of India in a much more definitive manner than what the Maurya ever achieved. This was hard fought and what resulted ensured that the previous state of affairs could no longer continue. Thus, they - the Neo-Gupta - usher in the Imperial Age for India. The Neo-Gupta were patrons of Buddhism which inevitably flourishes and eclipses Hinduism as the dominant religion of India. The peoples of Southeast Asia are brought into an Indian-style tributary system thanks to the efforts of the Neo-Gupta predecessors - the Chola and other Tamil states - whose efforts were taken over by the Neo-Gupta.

Once this Neo-Gupta Indian Empire declines and falls, they are replaced by the energetic Satavahana who are dominant especially during the 13th and 14th centuries.

Africa develops her own states and imperial traditions. Aksum in the east and Timbuktu in the west form the core of these empires. Though it must be mentioned that the Kongo in central Africa are a notable regional power in their own right. And of course, Kilwa, the queen of the Swahili cities, looks overseas to expand her influence.

In the lands once under Macedonia however, the region was afflicted by numerous warlords and shifting regional powers for a few centuries. It seemed as if Macedonia was only to be found in the pages of history, forever lost to the world. But, the Macedonian imperial idea proved too strong to resist. Soon enough, an ambitious warlord fulfilled the dream of centuries and was able to conquer his rivals and reunite the lands once part of the old empire. Centuries have passed since Macedonia was a great empire on earth, and in a similar manner to OTL China, Macedonia long divided has united. The Magi tell us only Helios-Ahura Mazda, who gives to each empire its allotment, knows how long this iteration of Macedonia will last.
Holy shit. holy shit. holy Shit. Holy Shit.
 
map about fictional war in present day Estonia
note: ADE means After Declaration of Empire for example 112 ADE means 112 years after declaration of empire
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Derived from my 1756 world map, here's a map of the Seven Years' War, showing the two rival factions and the approximate areas of military action:
3unv6elnk30a1.png

Edit: in some cases, vassals of the main powers are shown even if the vassals themselves didn't participate directly.
 
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This is a continuation of my previous map of Alexander the Great's Empire in 288 B.C.

This map was inspired by many other maps and pixel art made by many mapmakers and artists throughout the years.

Questions and comments are always appreciated!

dfhzm2i-1260b22f-50e6-4cde-887a-cbf8f0cc1abe.png

___________________________
Following Alexander's death, the Macedonian Empire entered a Golden Age - the Pax Macedonica according to the Romans (a people more or less irrelevant in this world) - which was an age of lasting peace and prosperity throughout the realm. It was also a time of massive cultural exchanges as much of the known world was Hellenized in various degrees. Expansion of the Empire - the Oikoumene - ceased by the time Alexander's grandson Alexander V took the throne, but the spread of Hellenistic culture did not cease. Greek became the lingua franca and could be heard by traders and diplomats as far apart as Britain and the East Indies by the 1st Century AD. Greek architecture was constructed by Gaul and Parthian alike. Greek philosophical ideas influenced many from Egypt to Babylon to Persia and beyond. Interestingly, the ideas of foreign cultures also affected the Greeks in many ways thanks to Alexander's policy of assimilating Greek soldiers and elites with non-greek elites.

Religion in the Empire was eventually fixed into a modified Hellenic religion. The Cult of Alexander formed the basis of the civil religion which supplemented the old gods. Indeed many aspects of the Alexander cult were inspired by the old god-kings of Egypt and Mesopotamia. Also, initially Stoicism and then Neoplatonism a few centuries later became the dominant intellectual foundation of the religion, at least to the elites and intellectuals. Non-hellenic ideas came to affect the popular religion as well. Reincarnation from the Indians became popular, but also especially Iranian and Semitic ideas of the Apocalypse, Last Judgement and coming of the Saviour at the End of Days. (Of course, the Saviour is expected to be the reincarnation of Alexander who would come again in glory to conquer the entire world definitively, judge the nations, institute cultic reform and bring the mythic Golden Age back to earth.)

Peace and prosperity were good - but it could not last forever. Eventually, the Empire grew weak, divided. Her elites became depraved and lacked the unity that drove their ancestors to conquer the world, and then overcome by plague and new ambitious rivals, the Empire eventually fell in the second century AD.

In the coming centuries Carthage began to truly blossom as Macedonian power waned. Her captains succeeded in punicizing Hispania and chastising the upstart Romans effectively. But then, her explorers and merchants accidentally discovered the New World. This accident brought new opportunities to the Carthaginians, no stranger to opportunities indeed. Trade contacts with the natives began, slowly at first but then much more. Settlements were established at lucrative sites. Carthage had no interest in conquering the peoples of the New World, which gave the natives much needed time and space to recover from the Old World diseases that brought disaster to their peoples.

What befell the peoples of the New World was nothing short of a tragedy. With time however, the New World began to recover and reach their historic potential in the face of Carthaginian trade dominance and visits from other inquisitive sailors and explorers like the Norse and Celts.

The Maya experienced their Classic Era, differently perhaps, but still a time of cultural flourishing. The peoples of the Mississippi region and Peru were also able to recover from the diseases and mass migrations caused by the plagues. Old World technology were at first adopted reluctantly, then enthusiastically and then innovated by the peoples of the New. And soon, the New World could match the Old in technology.

The Inca and Mexica peoples would much later form empires that could match the empires of the Old World in grandeur.

In the North, the Gauls formed an hegemony which was overran by later Germanic migrations to some extent. Speaking of the Germanics, the Norse after an age of activity of plunder and terror, settled down and were able to settle the OTL St Lawrence Valley around the time Carthaginian settlements grew to wealthy trade ports and merchant towns in the Caribbean and New World coasts.

In the East, the Warring States Period in China arrived to a similar conclusion as in OTL. The Kingdom of Qin created a short-lived empire and then fell in a civil war before reuniting again into a more moderate and long-lasting dynasty. This dynasty, the Chu, took the place of the Han in OTL and fell apart in the 3rd century AD. Centuries of division followed by unification into a grand and cosmopolitan Zhou China which brought the glories of Chinese civilization to Nippon, among others and pacified the northern barbarians. However, various nomadic peoples, in succession, conquered much of China once the Zhou dynasty declines and falls due to internal issues. This is why much of the West calls China Cathay in this world - named after the Khitai who conquer China in numerous occasions.

India following the Maurya was initially very similar to OTL. Various regional kingdoms dominated the political landscape while occasionally one kingdom manages to claim hegemony like the OTL Gupta. However, these rarely last more than a few decades and a long "Warring States Era" in India develop. Fate would decree, however, that this series of events would not last forever, though, and by about AD 800 one single dynasty based in the populous Ganges valley conquers all of India in a much more definitive manner than what the Maurya ever achieved. This was hard fought and what resulted ensured that the previous state of affairs could no longer continue. Thus, they - the Neo-Gupta - usher in the Imperial Age for India. The Neo-Gupta were patrons of Buddhism which inevitably flourishes and eclipses Hinduism as the dominant religion of India. The peoples of Southeast Asia are brought into an Indian-style tributary system thanks to the efforts of the Neo-Gupta predecessors - the Chola and other Tamil states - whose efforts were taken over by the Neo-Gupta.

Once this Neo-Gupta Indian Empire declines and falls, they are replaced by the energetic Satavahana who are dominant especially during the 13th and 14th centuries.

Africa develops her own states and imperial traditions. Aksum in the east and Timbuktu in the west form the core of these empires. Though it must be mentioned that the Kongo in central Africa are a notable regional power in their own right. And of course, Kilwa, the queen of the Swahili cities, looks overseas to expand her influence.

In the lands once under Macedonia however, the region was afflicted by numerous warlords and shifting regional powers for a few centuries. It seemed as if Macedonia was only to be found in the pages of history, forever lost to the world. But, the Macedonian imperial idea proved too strong to resist. Soon enough, an ambitious warlord fulfilled the dream of centuries and was able to conquer his rivals and reunite the lands once part of the old empire. Centuries have passed since Macedonia was a great empire on earth, and in a similar manner to OTL China, Macedonia long divided has united. The Magi tell us only Helios-Ahura Mazda, who gives to each empire its allotment, knows how long this iteration of Macedonia will last.
This is an excellent scenario, and a very nice map to boot! I'm especially curious about what the governments of Carthage and its "daughter republics" look like. Do you think you're going to continue this scenario further? I'd love to see what this world looks like by the present day.
 
Derived from my 1756 world map, here's a map of the Seven Years' War, showing the two rival factions and the approximate areas of military action:
3unv6elnk30a1.png

Edit: in some cases, vassals of the main powers are shown even if the vassals themselves didn't participate directly.
Who take over Dutch east Indies?
 
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Today I woke up thinking about how cool of a word "Klondike" is, and as a result spent the day making this map. There is no lore except for a half-dozen overlapping narratives existing exclusively inside my head. For the record, I am well aware that half of these states have almost no population OTL.
 
This is an excellent scenario, and a very nice map to boot! I'm especially curious about what the governments of Carthage and its "daughter republics" look like.
Thanks, glad you like it!

Carthage and the "daughter republics" are mixed aristocratic republics similar to OTL Rome and Carthage but have evolved over time. At the head are two suffetes who are theoretically elected by the senate (the Roshim) but in practice are hereditary offices like the OTL Spartan kings. They serve as judges but cannot lead armies. They once had term limits of one year but now serve for life.

There are two houses in government. The upper house is the Roshim which is composed of landowning aristocrats and deal with most matters of state. Then there's the lower house, the citizen's assembly (the Ham) dominated by merchants and artisans and deal with state matters not covered by the Roshim. They select military commanders, for example.

In Carthage, there are two major "factions" in government who have dominated Carthage's politics for centuries - the pro-mercantile Barcid faction and the pro-landowner Hannonid faction. Think of them like the Whigs and Tories of Britain in the 1700s.
Do you think you're going to continue this scenario further? I'd love to see what this world looks like by the present day.
I think I will, though not anytime soon.
 
Asatro is Norse Paganism, Wodenism is Continental German/Anglo-Saxon paganism
I know that.
I meant relations like the other IE religions had. Or the Catholic and Orthodox.
Do they have different rites? Non shared gods? Do they still see each other as one faith?
 
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A very quick QBAM sketch of an idea I had, inspired by me reading up a bunch on French Algeria as well as Françafrique and the relationship between Charles Taylor's regime in Liberia and the French state.

Basically France proper and Algeria have a nasty falling out somewhere between 1945 and 1960, with a right-wing government based in Algiers clinging onto Algeria and becoming a largely autarkic state thanks to keeping a handful of African states within its orbit.
 
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Subject: Countries by type of marriage law
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A very quick QBAM sketch of an idea I had, inspired by me reading up a bunch on French Algeria as well as Françafrique and the relationship between Charles Taylor's regime in Liberia and the French state.

Basically France proper and Algeria have a nasty falling out somewhere between 1945 and 1960, with a right-wing government based in Algiers clinging onto Algeria and becoming a largely autarkic state thanks to keeping a handful of African states within its orbit.
Suitably dystopic - reminds me of For All Time
 
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