List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Charles the Bold b. 1433 m. Catherine of Valois b. 1428 d. 1468(a) Margaret of York(b)

Mary of Burgundy b. 1450 m. Edward IV of England

Philip IV of Burgundy b. 1454 m. Joanna of Aragon

Catherine of Burgundy b. 1457 m. Maximilian of Austria

Charles of Burgundy b. 1463 m. Anne de Beaujeu
 
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After seeing a post by @VVD0D95 about the second son of Emperor Frederick III lives.

I was thinking of the possibility of if Emperor Frederick, formed an alliance with England, against the French in the form of a marriage, in 1482, between his second son, 16 year old John and Edward IV of England’s, 16 year old, Elizabeth of York

Johannes, Archduke of Austria (27/6/1466-24/9/1534) m. 1482, Elizabeth of York (11/2/1466–31/9/1524)
Archduchess Eleanor (7/1/1484-)​
Frederick, Archduke of Austria (20/9/1486–) Archduchess Maria (28/11/1489–)​
Johannes, Duke of Austria (28/6/1491–)​
Archduchess Elizabeth (2/7/1492–)​
Archduchess Joanna (18/3/1496–) m.​
Edward, Duke of Austria (21/2/1499–)​
 
Work in progress... (maybe I will add Spain, Portugal and France when I will have sorted them)
Edward IV, King of England (1442–1486) married Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492) in 1464​
  1. Elizabeth of York (b.1466) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459) in 1483
    1. See under Maximilian for issue
  2. Mary of York (1467-1482)
  3. Cecily of York (b.1469) married James IV, King of Scotland(b.1473) in 1484
    1. Margaret of Scotland (b.1485)
    2. James, Duke of Rothesay (1487-1488)
    3. Elizabeth (b.1489)
    4. James V, King of Scotland (b.1492)
    5. Alexander (b. 1494)
  4. Edward V of England (b.1470) married Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477) in 1490
    1. Edward, Prince of Wales (1492-1497)
    2. Richard III, King of England (b.1494)
    3. Elizabeth (1497-1500)
    4. Anne Isabelle (1500)
    5. Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b.1502)
    6. Katherine (b. 1505)
  5. Margaret of York (1472-1472)
  6. Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk (b.1473) married a) Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk(1472-1493) in 1478
    1. Edward, Duke of York and Norfolk (b.1488)
    2. Elizabeth of York (b.1490)
    3. Anne of York (b.1493)
  7. Anne of York (b.1475) married Philip, Duke of Burgundy (b.1478) in 1493
    1. See under Philip for issue
  8. George, Duke of Bedford (1477-1479)
  9. Catherine of York (b.1479) married Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) in 1494
  10. Bridget of York (b.1480) nun

Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459) married a) Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457-1482) in 1477 b) Elizabeth of York (b.1466-1492) in 1482 c) Bianca Maria Sforza (b.1472) in 1494

1a) Philip of Burgundy (1478-1500), Duke of Burgundy married Anne of York (b. 1475) in 1493​
1) Mary II, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1495) married Antoine, Duke of Lorraine and Burgundy (b. 1489) in 1507*​
2) miscarriage (1498)​
3) Charles (1499-1500)​
2a) Margaret of Burgundy (1480-1510), Queen of France married Charles VIII, King of France (1470-1498) in 1492​
1) Anne Marie of France (1495-1506)​
2) Louis XII, King of France (1497-1507)​
3a) Francis (1481)​
4b) stillborn son (1485)​
5b) Eleanor (b.1487), Queen of Hungary and Bohemia married Vladislaus II Jagiellon, King of Bohemia and Hungary (b.1456) in 1502​
5b) Ernest II, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1490)​
6b) Elizabeth (b.1492), Queen of Poland married Sigismund I the Old, King of Poland (b.1467) in 1510​
8c) Bianca (b.1495) married James V of Scotland
9c) Beatrice (b. 1497) married Richard III of England
10c) Isabella (b.1498) married Christian II of Denmark
11c) Frederick (1502-1508)​
12c) miscarriage (1504)​
13c) Maximilian II, Duke of Milan (b.1507) married Isabella Beatrice Sforza, Duchess of Milan and Bari (b.1515)**​

notes
*matches who bring an union between Burgundy and Lorraine are something who I really like
**Isabella Beatrice Sforza is the daughter and only child of Ercole Massimiliano Sforza (aka Maximilian I of Milan, eldest son of Ludovico Sforza "il Moro" and Beatrice d'Este) and of his wife and cousin Bona Sforza (daughter of Gian Galeazzo Sforza and Isabella of Aragon-Naples). Maximilian's younger brother Francesco (OTL Francis II) decided who he had no intention to make Bona and Isabella his enemies contesting his niece's claim and instead supported her
 
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I hope I haven't posted something like that already

The Last Egg of Anna Jagiellonka

Stefan Batory (1533-1586), Prince ofTransylvania (1571-1586), King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania (1576-1586) m. (1576) Anna Jagiellonka (1523-1596) Queen of Poland and Grand Duchess of Lithuania (1575-1596)
1) Zygmunt III the Good (1577-1648) (1), Prince of Transylvania (1586-1618), King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania, (1596-1652) m. a) (1694) Anna of Prussia (1576-1625)​
1) Elżbieta (1597-1682), never married,​
2) Jan Albert (1698-1648), Prince of Transylvania (1618-1648) (2), Duke of Oppeln (1631-1648) m. (1630) Cecyla Renata Habsburg (1611-1644)​
1) Zygmunt (1631-1640)​
2) Izabela (1634-1680), married, had issue,​
3) Katarzyna (1635-1640)​
4) Jan II Karol (1641-1699), Prince of Transylvania (1648-1670), Duke of Oppeln (1648-1670), King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania (1670-1699) m. (1664) Elizabeth of Orleans (1646-1696), had issue​
5) Jadwiga (1642-1700) m. (1655) Sigismund II Vasa, King of Sweden, had issue​
3) Kazimierz V Karol (1600-1670), Duke of Prussia (1618-1670), King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania (1648-1670) m. (1634) Duchess Marie Louise Gonzaga de Nevers (1611-1667)​
1) Władysław Ludwik (1635-1668) m. (1660) Charlotte of Brandenburg, had issue​
2) Eleonora (1639-1711), married, had issue​
3) Katarzyna (1644-1719)​
4) Zygmunt (1645)​
5) Jan (1652-1660)​

4) Władysław Jerzy (1605-1665), General of Artillery of the Crown (1634-1642), Voivode of Smoleńsk (1639-1665), Duke of Courland (1642-1665) (3)​
5) Anna (1610-1677) m. (1630) Ferdinand III Habsburg, HRE,​
6) Zofia (1611)​
7) Stefan Fryderyk (1612-1671), Boshop of Płock (1640-1652), archbishop of Gniezno (1652-1671) and cardinal (1648-1671)​



(1) For personal entertainment I did a very rudimentary random drawing of his skillset - administration/economy - 951/1000, diplomacy/political skills - 892/1000 and military 525/1000. Thus our king Sigismund, a titan of administration and genius of diplomacy not only greatly increased the personal fortune of Polish kings, but surrounding himself with most brilliant statesmen of the age, conducted slow but highly successful administrative, political, economic and military reforms of the Commonwealth, all the while trying to avoid unneccessary foreign adventures (Though he was an enthusiastic supporter of foreign adventures he considered necessary, beginning from screweing over Brandenburgian Hohenzollerns WRT the Prussian inheritance even before he ascended to the PLC throne, although, realizing his limitations on the military field, he preferred leaving the details to his hetmans and generals). His long rule was generally considered the new golden age of Poland.
(2) King Sigismund claimed the regency of Prussia already in 1603, using his wife's rights as the pretext, and after the death of Albrecht Frederick he claimed the duchy for himself and granted it to his younger son, Prince Kazimierz Karol. The Duchy became Bathory hereditiary duchy inside PLC. Sigismund's marriage with Duchess Sophie initially wasn't particularly well received in the Commonwealth, as a marriage with a subject, and not particularly pretty or rich to that, but gained her subjects' respect as mother of many children and good administrator of her possessions. The position and power of dukes of Prussia decreased with time, nevertheless, no Sejm was capable of removing Bathorys from its throne.

(3) With the extinction of Kettlers, the Duchy of Courland was granted for life to Prince Władysław Jerzy, a famous military commander and major force behind modernization of PLC's army. Following Prince Władysław's death, the duchy was incorporated into the Commonwealth.
 
WORKING PROGRESS

Catherine of Braganza, queen consort of Charles II, King of England, Scotland and Ireland, dies during her third miscarriage due to heavy bleeding, and Charles II marries again.

Charles II (29 May 1630-6 February 1685) m. 1662, 1} Catherine of Braganza (25 November 1638– 1668) m.1670 2} Princess Elisabeth Charlotte of Palatinate [1] (27 May 1652-8 December 1722)
  1. Prince Charles of Wales (2 July 1673 – 16 March 1676) [Died young]
  2. King Henry IX [2] (2 August 1674 – 2 December 1723) m. 1695 Princess Magdalena Augusta of Anhalt-Zerbst (13 October 1679 – 11 October 1740)
    1. Elizabeth, Princess Royal (30 May 1697–29 November 1703) [Died young]
    2. Charlotte, Princess Royal (18 July 1698 – d. 13 November 1768) m. 1726 William Bentinck, 2nd Duke of Portland (1 March 1709 – 1 May 1762)
      1. Lady Elizabeth Bentinck (Welbeck Abbey, 27 June 1735 – 25 December 1825) m. Thomas Thynne, 1st Marquess of Bath (1734-1796)
        • Thynne linage
      2. Lady Henrietta Bentinck (8 February 1737–4 June 1827) m. George Grey, 5th Earl of Stamford (1737-1819)
        • Grey linage
      3. Henry William Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland [A] (b. 14 April 1738; d. 30 October 1809) m. Lady Dorothy Cavendish (27 August 1750-3 June 1794)
      4. Lady Margaret Bentinck (26 July 1739 – 28 April 1756) m.
      5. Lady Frances Bentinck (9 April 1741 – March 1743)
      6. William Charles Bentinck, Earl of Plymouth (3 March 1744 – 8 October 1819), m.
    3. Charles III & I of Palatinate (14 April 1699– 10 March 1772) m. 1719, Charlotte, Countess of Hanau-Lichtenberg (2 May 1700–1 July 1726)
      1. Henry X, I of Palatine & II of Hanau Lichtenburg (15 December 1719–6 April 1790)
      2. Charles James, Duke of Wight (11 July 1722 – 21 June 1782)
      3. Charlotte Elizabeth, Princess Royal (11 July 1723 – 8 April 1783)
    4. Henry, Duke of Gloucester (12 March 1701-31 May 1771) m. 1726 Lady Elizabeth Sackville (1711 – 19 June 1729)
      1. Henry, Duke of Gloucester (18 June 1729-6 August 1797)
    5. James (20 September 1702-21 November 1704) [Died young]
    6. William (17 February 1704-8 May 1767) [Died young]
    7. James (27 February 1705-5 March 1705) [Died young]
    8. James, Duke of Hereford (28 May 1706-19 July 1748) m. 1727 to Lady Diana Spencer; 31 July 1710 – 27 September 1735)
    9. William, Duke of Lancaster (28 December 1707-13 August 1763) m. 1727 to .
    10. Robert (b. Gotha, 5 April 1709 – d. Gotha, 10 October 1711) [Died young]
    11. John, Duke of Greenwich (11 May 1711–3 September 1777) m. 1730 to Mary Grey, (daughter of Henry Grey, 1st Duke of Kent (1671–5 June 1740)
      1. Elizabeth (30 June 1732-1827)
      2. John, Duke of Greenwich and Kent (8 April 1735-1821)
    12. Elizabeth (23 August 1712-12 November 1712) [Died young]
    13. Robert (b. Gotha, 17 April 1714-10 July 1715) [Died young]
    14. Elizabeth (b. Gotha, 17 July 1715-12 May 1775), m. 1734
    15. Charlotte (15 August 1718–9 November 1718) [Died young]
    16. Charlotte (30 November 1719–8 February 1772), m. 1736
      1. 9 children
    17. Robert, Duke of Northumberland and Doncaster (18 May 1721–29 April 1799)

  3. Elizabeth, Princess Royal (13 September 1676–23 December 1744) m. 1694 George, Elector of Hanover (28 May 1660-11 June 1727) [4]

    1. Ernest Augusts of Hanover (1697- m. 1719 [C] Maria Henrietta (22 October 1701 – 11 December 1756)
    2. Elizabeth Charlotte (9 November 1701-28 November 1788) m. 1719 Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor (39 September 1697-26 October 1764)
  4. Empress Henrietta Maria (30 September 1678- ) m. 1696 Joseph I, Holy Roman Emperor (26 July 1678 – 17 April 1711)
    1. Maria Josepha Queen of Poland (8 December 1696-17 November 1755) m. Augustus III of Poland (17 October 1696-5 October 1763)
      1. Augustus (18 November 1720–22 January 1721) [Died young]
      2. Joseph (24 October 1721–14 March 1728) [Died young]
      3. Augustus IV of Poland and Saxony (5 September 1722–17 December 1763)
      4. Maria (24 November 1724-27 September 1760); m. 1738 Charles VII of Naples and III of Spain
      5. Henrietta (13 September 1727-1 February 1734) [Died young]
      6. Maria Anna (29 August 1728–17 February 1797) m. 1744 Peter III of Russia (21 February 1728-
      7. Joseph (25 August 1730–21 June 1806) Governor of the Austrian Netherlands (1781–1806) m. Princess Carolina of Orange-Nassau (28 February 1743 – 6 May 1787)
      8. Josepha (4 November 1731–13 March 1767); m. 1747 Maximilian III Joseph, Elector of Bavaria
      9. Karl (13 July 1733–16 June 1796)
      10. Christina (12 February 1735-9 November 1782) m. Louis, Dauphin of France (1729–1765)
      11. Elisabeth (born Warsaw, 9 February 1736–24 December 1818) m. Henry, Duke of Gloucester (18 June 1729-6 August 1797)
      12. Kasimir, Duke of Teschen (11 July 1738–10 February 1822)
      13. Xavier (28 September 1739–27 July 1812)
      14. Maria Dorothea (10 November 1740–8 April 1826)
    2. Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor (39 September 1697-26 October 1764) m. 1719 Elizabeth Charlotte of Hanover (9 November 1701-28 November 1788)
    3. Archduke Joseph (29 October 1700 – 4 August 1701) [Died young]
    4. Maria Henrietta (22 October 1701 – 11 December 1756) m. 1719 Ernest Augusts of Hanover (1697-

[1] Elizabeth was a cousin of Charles, via her paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia, the second child and eldest daughter of James VI and I, King of Scotland, England
[2] Named after Charles' younger brother, Henry, Duke of Gloucester, who died in 1660.
[3] A lot of titles were reclaimed from Charles II's illigetimet children on their death, with Henry IX seeing them being offered in the first place as an insult.
[4] As his second wife, following the divorce of Sophia Dorothea of Celle in 1694.

[A] Does not become Prime Minister like OTL 3rd Duke, to his links to the royal family
Being the youngest son of a monarch, with more heirs and spares then you can count on one hand, led Robert to lead a military life, becoming a renowned general.
[C] The joint royal wedding of Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor to his cousin Elizabeth Charlotte of Hanover, while her brother, Ernest Augusts of Hanover married Leopold's sister Maria Henrietta, equalizing an alliance between the Hanover and Austrian Empire, after their older, half sister, Sophia Dorothea of Hanover married to Frederick William I of Prussia, and their older half brother, George II Elector of Hanover married to Caroline of Ansbach, securing a line.
I'm screeching, I absolutely LOVE Liselotte as queen!!
 
Margaret of Anjou m. Henry VI(a)

1a.Edward IV b. 1453 m. Mary of Burgundy b. 1454

2a. Elizabeth(Isabella) of Lancaster b. 1456 m. John II of Portugal(a)

2a1a. Afonso VI of Portugal b. 1475 m. Isabella II of Aragon and Castile b. 1470

3a. Henry of England, duke of Gascony b. 1461 m. Eleanor of Viseu
 
Edward V of England (b.1470) married Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477) in 1490
  1. Edward, Prince of Wales (1492-1497)
  2. Richard III, King of England (b.1494)
  3. Elizabeth (1497-1500)
  4. Anne Isabelle (1500)
  5. Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b.1502)
  6. Katherine (b. 1505)

I would love to see more of this. I'm rather fond of Independent Brittany.
 
An alternate BRF that changes little politically, but is a fun random thought experiment.

Edward VIII [originally Prince Albert Victor] (b.1864 r. 1910 d.1934) m. Helene of Orleans* (b.1871 m. 1895 d.1951)
  1. Victoria Mary Isabelle Alexandra (1896 - 1943) m. Edward Cavendish, Duke of Devonshire
    1. Lady Victoria Evelyn Helen Cavendish (1918 - 1968)
    2. Lady Elizabeth Alexandra Edwina Cavendish (1920 - 1969)
    3. Edward William Victor John Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (1922 -1998)
    4. Lord William Andrew Albert Philip Cavendish (1925 -1978)
    5. Lord Victor Henry Spencer Christian Cavendish (1927 -2019)
  2. Albert Philip Edward Christian (1899 - 1981) m. Irene of Greece and Denmark
  3. Edward Albert Victor George, Duke of Clarence (1901 - 1928)
  4. Alexandra Helena Louise Edwina (1903 - 1934) m. Frederick IX of Denmark
    1. Alexandra Helena Frederica Thorhildur (1924 - 1953)
    2. Louise Alexandrine Victoria Marie (1928 - 1969)
    3. Anne Alexandra Edwina Maud (1930 -1957)
    4. Christian Edward Frederick Philip (1932 - 2003)
  5. Helena Charlotte Amelia Maud (1906 - 1941) m. Gustav Adolf, Duke of Vasterbotten
    1. Margaretha Desiree Helena (1932 - 1975)
    2. Carl Gustav Edward Christian, Duke of Jamtland (1934 - 2009)
    3. Birgitta Victoria Alice (1936 - 2009)
    4. Oscar Edmund Arthur Johan, Duke of Ostergotland (1939 - 2015)
  6. Christian Henry Frederick David, Duke of Sussex (1906 - 1955) m. Juliana of the Netherlands
    1. Beatrix Wilhelmina Helena (1938 - 2012)
    2. Willem Hendrik Edward Christian (1941 - 2009)
    3. Alexander Frederik Johan (1944 - 2002)
    4. Frederik David George (1947 - 2022)


Edward IX [nee Prince Albert Philip] (b. 1899 r. 1934 d.1981) m. Irene of Greece and Denmark (b. 1904 m. 1929 d. 1974)
  1. Helena Sophia Alexandra Victoria (1930 - 2011) m. John Scott, Duke of Buccleuch, Queensberry, and Edinburgh
  2. Alexandra Edwina Irene Regina (1934 - 2030) m. Richard Lumley, Earl of Scarborough (Later made a Dukedom upon marriage)
    1. Lady Isabelle Katharine Irene Lumley (1964 - )
    2. Richard Philip Roger Lumley (1967 -)
    3. Lord Frederick Edward Lumley (1969 -)
    4. Lord Henry Albert Lumley (1971 -)
  3. Victoria Olga Katherine Louise (1938 - 2025) m. Henry Herbert, Earl of Pembroke (Later made a Dukedom upon marriage)
    1. Lady Sophia Mary Irene Herbert (1967 -)
    2. William Philip Sidney Herbert (1971 - )
    3. Lady Emma Catherine Helena Herbert (1975 -)
    4. Lady Flora Alexandra Victoria Herbert (1978 -)

Helena I (b.1930 r.1981 d.2011) m. John Scott, Duke of Buccleuch, Queensberry, and Edinburgh (b. 1923 m. 1953 d.2007)
  1. Anne Irene Helena Mary (1954 -) m. William Hardee
    1. Philip John Hardee (1981 -)
    2. Nicholas Victor Hardee (1984 -)
    3. David Albert Hardee (1986-)
    4. Lucy Helena Hardee (1990 -)
  2. Henry Walter Richard Edward (1958 -) m. Dorothy Lockard
  3. James Philip Constantine John, Duke of Clarence (1961 -) m. Deborah Cozart
    1. Prince Walter John Richard of Clarence (1989 -)
    2. Prince Charles Frederick George of Clarence (1991 -)
    3. Prince Alfred Constantine Robert of Clarence (1994 - )
    4. Princess Catherine Helena Sophie of Clarence (1997 -)
  4. Charlotte Alexandra Victoria Margaret (1964 -) m. Alexander Hitch
    1. Peter Theodore Hitch (1996 -)

Henry IX (b.1958 r.2011) m. Dorothy Lockard (b.1959 m. 1988)
  1. Princess Mary Helena Irene Alice (1990 - ) m. Daniel Woodfield
  2. Prince Edward Michael Albert John (1993 -) eng. Leah Petterson
  3. Princess Amelia Elizabeth Alexandra Violet (1993 -)
  4. Princess Louise Matilda Victoria Anne (1996 -)
  5. Princess Philippa Caroline Georgiana Jane (1999 -)

* = Helene's father dies early and she converts to Anglicanism ahead of the wedding to Eddy
 
Margaret of Anjou m. Henry VI(a)

1a.Edward IV b. 1453 m. Mary of Burgundy b. 1454

2a. Elizabeth(Isabella) of Lancaster b. 1456 m. John II of Portugal(a)

2a1a. Afonso VI of Portugal b. 1475 m. Isabella II of Aragon and Castile b. 1470

3a. Henry of England, duke of Gascony b. 1461 m. Eleanor of Viseu
A sequel

Charles the Bold m. Catherine of France(a) Margaret Beaufort(b)

1a.Philip of Burgundy, Duke of Luxembourg and Brabant b. 1452 m. Joanna of Aragon

2a.Mary of Burgundy b. 1454 m. Edward IV of England

3a. Catherine of Burgundy b. 1457 m. Maximilian I

4a. Charles of Burgundy, Duke of Burgundy b. 1463 m. Jeanne, Duchess of Lorraine

5b. Margaret of Burgundy b. 1465 m. Philibert II of Savoy
 
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So, the major POD here is twofold:
1) Henry VII of England, while living in exile in Brittany as earl of Richmond, marries Marie of Brittany, the widowed cousin of the Breton duke, Francis II. They have a son, Arthur, in 1481.

2) Henry and Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor still sign a treaty of friendship in 1493. But the alliance is sealed by the 1497 marriage of Arthur, Prince of Wales and Maximilian’s daughter Margaret of Austria, the scorned fiancee of Charles VIII of France.

HOUSE OF TUDOR
Henry VII Tudor, King of England (formerly earl of Richmond; b. 1457, r. 1485-1509, d. 1509) m. (a) in 1480 to Mary of Brittany (b. 1444, d. 1481) [1], had issue; m. (b) in 1486 to Elizabeth of York (b. 1465, d. 1505), had issue
1a) Arthur II Tudor, King of England (b. 1481, r. 1509-1542, d. 1542) m. in 1497 to Margaret of Austria (b. 1482, d. 1545), had issue​
1) Mary Tudor (b. 1499, d. 1505)​
2) Henry Tudor (b. 1501, d. 1504)​
3) Anne Tudor (b. 1503)​
4) Eleanor Tudor, Queen of Denmark (b. 1506) m. in 1525 to King Francis of Denmark (b. 1503) [2], had issue​
5) Margaret Tudor, Duchess of Mantua (b. 1509) m. in 1528 to Federico Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua, had issue​
1b) Edward Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1486, d. 1490)​
2b) Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scots (b. 1489, d. 1529) marriage and issue as OTL​
3b) Henry Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1491, d. 1547) m. (a) in 1508 to Anne de la Tour d’Auvergne (b. 1494, d. 1518), had issue; m. (b) in 1520 to Lady Mary Boleyn (b. 1499/1500, d. 1543), had issue​
1a) Margaret Tudor (b. 1510)​
2a) Elizabeth Tudor, Countess of Oxford (b. 1515, d. 1539) m. in 1536 to John de Vere, 16th earl of Oxford, had issue​
1) Katherine de Vere (b. 1539, d. 1545)​
3a) Edward Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1518)​
1b) Mary Tudor, Baroness Dacre (b. 1521, d. 1576) m. in 1537 to Thomas Fiennes, 9th Baron Dacre (b. 1515, d. 1541), had issue​
1) Thomas Fiennes (b. 1538, d. 1553)​
2) Gregory Fiennes, 10th Baron Dacre (b. 1539, d. 1594)​
3) Margaret Fiennes, 11th Baroness Dacre (b. 1540, d. 1611)​
2b) Henry Tudor (b. 1522)​
3b) Charles Tudor (b. 1525) [3]​
Illegitimate by Elizabeth “Bessie” Blount​
1) Henry FitzHenry (b. 1519, d. 1536) died unmarried and without issue​
4b) Elizabeth Tudor (b. 1493, d. 1495)​
5b) Mary Tudor, Queen of France and Duchess of Suffolk (b. 1496, d. 1533) marriages and issue as OTL​
6b) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Somerset (b. 1499, d. 1500)​
7b) Katherine Tudor (b. 1505, d. 1505)​

[1] I can’t find sources on when Mary of Brittany’s OTL husband died so I’m just saying that he died in 1478/1479 and butterflying her four youngest OTL children.
[2] Son of King Christian II of Denmark and Catherine of Aragon. (I’ll get to this later lol)
[3] Named in honor of his godfather, father's friend, and uncle-by-marriage, Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk.



I don't have a lot worked out on this yet. I envision a lot of conflict surrounding Arthur's succession, since Margaret is hardly going to let her daughters be tossed aside. Also, would anyone be interested in a thread on this???
 
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So, the major POD here is twofold:
1) Henry VII of England, while living in exile in Brittany as earl of Richmond, marries Marie of Brittany, the widowed cousin of the Breton duke, Francis II. They have a son, Arthur, in 1481.

2) Henry and Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor still sign a treaty of friendship in 1493. But the alliance is sealed by the 1497 marriage of Arthur, Prince of Wales and Maximilian’s daughter Margaret of Austria, the scorned fiancee of Charles VIII of France.

HOUSE OF TUDOR
Henry VII Tudor, King of England (formerly earl of Richmond; b. 1457, r. 1485-1509, d. 1509) m. (a) in 1480 to Mary of Brittany (b. 1444, d. 1481) [1], had issue; m. (b) in 1486 to Elizabeth of York (b. 1465, d. 1505), had issue
1a) Arthur II Tudor, King of England (b. 1481, r. 1509-1540, d. 1542) m. in 1497 to Margaret of Austria (b. 1482, d. 1545), had issue​
1) Mary Tudor (b. 1499, d. 1505)​
2) Henry Tudor (b. 1501, d. 1504)​
3) Anne Tudor (b. 1503)​
4) Eleanor Tudor, Queen of Denmark (b. 1506) m. in 1525 to King Francis of Denmark (b. 1503) [2], had issue​
5) Margaret Tudor, Duchess of Mantua (b. 1509) m. in 1528 to Federico Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua​
1b) Edward Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1486, d. 1490)​
2b) Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scots (b. 1489, d. 1529) marriage and issue as OTL​
3b) Henry Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1491, d. 1547) m. (a) in 1508 to Anne de la Tour d’Auvergne (b. 1494, d. 1518), had issue; m. (b) in 1520 to Lady Mary Boleyn (b. 1499/1500, d. 1543), had issue​
1a) Margaret Tudor (b. 1510)​
2a) Elizabeth Tudor, Countess of Oxford (b. 1515, d. 1539) m. in 1536 to John de Vere, 16th earl of Oxford, had issue​
1) Katherine de Vere (b. 1539, d. 1545)​
3a) Edward Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1518)​
1b) Mary Tudor, Baroness Dacre (b. 1521, d. 1576) m. in 1537 to Thomas Fiennes, 9th Baron Dacre (b. 1515, d. 1541), had issue​
1) Thomas Fiennes (b. 1538, d. 1553)​
2) Gregory Fiennes, 10th Baron Dacre (b. 1539, d. 1594)​
3) Margaret Fiennes, 11th Baroness Dacre (b. 1540, d. 1611)​
2b) Henry Tudor (b. 1522)​
3b) Charles Tudor (b. 1525) [3]​
Illegitimate by Elizabeth “Bessie” Blount​
1) Henry FitzHenry (b. 1519, d. 1536) died unmarried and without issue​
4b) Elizabeth Tudor (b. 1493, d. 1495)​
5b) Mary Tudor, Queen of France and Duchess of Suffolk (b. 1496, d. 1533) marriages and issue as OTL​
6b) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Somerset (b. 1499, d. 1500)​
7b) Katherine Tudor (b. 1503, d. 1503)​

[1] I can’t find sources on when Mary of Brittany’s OTL husband died so I’m just saying that he died in 1478/1479 and butterflying her four youngest OTL children.
[2] Son of King Christian II of Denmark and Catherine of Aragon. (I’ll get to this later lol)
[3] Named in honor of his godfather, father's friend, and uncle-by-marriage, Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk.



Also, would anyone be interested in a thread on this???

Couple questions:
Why is Arthur only king until 1540, yet dies in 1542? Who succeeds him?
A duchess of Mantua seems a pretty low match for an emperor's granddaughter. Had Margarethe of Austria had a child by her Savoyard husband, perhaps. But Margarethe's daughter by a ROYAL husband, no doubt she'd do somewhat better. In fact, I could see HER marrying Frans of Denmark and her older sister wedding Karl V.
Lastly, ISTR in a prior thread where Henry Tudor ALSO wed before reclaiming the throne it was mentioned that he'd LACK the Yorkist support he had OTL, even if first sife was dead and buried by the time of Bosworth. Yes, Henry went to great lengths to ensure his claim WASN'T via Elizabeth, but he owed his throne as much to the promise to marry her (and the accompanying Yorkist support) as he did to Stanley turning coat and Percy not engaging.
 
One more question. Marie (assuming this is the OTL vicomtesse de Rohan, in which case her husband died in 1516) was born in 1444. Eleven years OLDER than Harry, how is she even considered a somewhat good match? I get that he doesn't have hopes of going home, but still. That much older, she better have a massive dowry or inheritance
 
Couple questions:
Why is Arthur only king until 1540, yet dies in 1542? Who succeeds him?
A duchess of Mantua seems a pretty low match for an emperor's granddaughter. Had Margarethe of Austria had a child by her Savoyard husband, perhaps. But Margarethe's daughter by a ROYAL husband, no doubt she'd do somewhat better. In fact, I could see HER marrying Frans of Denmark and her older sister wedding Karl V.
Lastly, ISTR in a prior thread where Henry Tudor ALSO wed before reclaiming the throne it was mentioned that he'd LACK the Yorkist support he had OTL, even if first sife was dead and buried by the time of Bosworth. Yes, Henry went to great lengths to ensure his claim WASN'T via Elizabeth, but he owed his throne as much to the promise to marry her (and the accompanying Yorkist support) as he did to Stanley turning coat and Percy not engaging.
Arthur's reign dates were a flub on my part, I went back and changed it lol. Honestly, part of the reason why I posted this was because I'm really not sure what will happen when Arthur dies. As far as young Margaret Tudor's marriage, I was thinking about about a match with John III of Portugal as well...
Honestly, it seems to me like OTL Henry Tudor didn't get support until the early 1480s, at which point in TTL he could still pledge to marry Elizabeth of York in 1483, thus setting him up for similar support as OTL? Unless I'm mistaken?
 
One more question. Marie (assuming this is the OTL vicomtesse de Rohan, in which case her husband died in 1516) was born in 1444. Eleven years OLDER than Harry, how is she even considered a somewhat good match? I get that he doesn't have hopes of going home, but still. That much older, she better have a massive dowry or inheritance
As far as Marie, I imagine that Margaret Beaufort just told Henry to go along with whatever Francis II wanted in order to keep his protection. Plus, at this point Francis II only had one young daughter. Henry could've been hoping to claim Brittany in his wife's name should Francis II die without issue.
 
Arthur's reign dates were a flub on my part, I went back and changed it lol. Honestly, part of the reason why I posted this was because I'm really not sure what will happen when Arthur dies. As far as young Margaret Tudor's marriage, I was thinking about about a match with John III of Portugal as well...

Joao III is slated to marry Eleonore of Austria (if Karl V gets Spain, if Ferdinand I inherits as Fernando VI, expect him to marry her younger sister, Katharina), and only once Eleonore refuses to marry him to marry his dad instead, is he "available". However, the alliance is still improtant enough for Karl V to want a match between his sister and the king of Portugal. Chances are good that with an of-age candidate, Eleanor Tudor winds up as Empress instead of Isabel of Portugal (who winds up in a convent here, since she refused to marry anyone else but Karl).

Honestly, it seems to me like OTL Henry Tudor didn't get support until the early 1480s, at which point in TTL he could still pledge to marry Elizabeth of York in 1483, thus setting him up for similar support as OTL? Unless I'm mistaken?

No dice. He has a male heir. There's no way of sidelining said male heir except by Harry Tudor claiming the crown through Elizabeth, and thus their kids inheriting the crown while Artie gets only Richmond. Since Harry didn't do this OTL, and the Yorkists would be iffy about the marriage unless Artie were to bedisposed of, very quickly (a la Princes in the Tower).
 
As far as Marie, I imagine that Margaret Beaufort just told Henry to go along with whatever Francis II wanted in order to keep his protection. Plus, at this point Francis II only had one young daughter. Henry could've been hoping to claim Brittany in his wife's name should Francis II die without issue.

Margaret Beaufort would do no such thing. The woman wouldn't have urged Henry to marry to a girl only a few years younger than herself (plus, there's the whole consanguinity issue due to Marie of Brittany's mother being the half-Beaufort Isabella of Scotland, which would make them second cousins? Which would need a dispensation from Rome. Which could easily be blocked by either English or French agents).
 
Peter (b. 1379) son of Peter IV of Aragon and Sibila of Fortia lives to adulthood and eventually succeedes his half brother Martin as King of Aragon.

Peter V (1379-1424) King of Aragon 1410-1424 m. 1411 Blanche of Navarre (1387-1441)

1) Peter VI (1413-1435) King of Aragon 1424-1435

2) Joanna (1415-1459) m. 1429 Edward (1391-1438) King of Portugal
1) Philippa (1431-1503) m. 1446 Henry VI (1422-1477) King of England​

2) John II (1433-1488) King of Portugal 1438-1488 m. 1460 Blanche of Aragon (see below)​

3) Isabella (1437-1472)​

3) Mary (1417)

4) Eleanor (1419)

5) Charles (1420-1422)

6) John II (1422-1477) King of Aragon 1435-1477, King of Navarre 1441-1477 m. 1436 Catherine of Castile* (1423-1481)

1) Peter (1441-1445)​

2) John III (1443-1501) King of Sicily 1461-1501, King of Aragon 1477-1501, King of Castile iure uxoris m. 1460 Mary of Castile (see below)​

3) Blanche (1445-1483) m. 1461 John II of Portugal (see above)​

4) Alfonso (1447-1448)​

5) Isabella (1448-1505) m.​

6) Peter (1450-1511) m. 1474 Mary of Burgundy (1457-1508)​

7) Joanna (1454-1479) m.​

7) Isabella (1424-1488) m. 1440 Henry IV (1425-1474) King of Castile

1) John (1444-1449)​

2) Mary (1446-1498) Queen of Castile 1474-1498 m. 1460 John III of Aragon (see above)​
* Daughter of John II of Castile

Due to Aragon having underaged monarch at the time of death of Joanna II of Naples House of Valois-Anjou successfully claimed Kingdom of Naples. Charles the Bold chooses Aragonese prince for his daughter's husband, counting on support of united Spain against France.

Almost complete.
 
Margaret Beaufort would do no such thing. The woman wouldn't have urged Henry to marry to a girl only a few years younger than herself (plus, there's the whole consanguinity issue due to Marie of Brittany's mother being the half-Beaufort Isabella of Scotland, which would make them second cousins? Which would need a dispensation from Rome. Which could easily be blocked by either English or French agents).
Right so...is there any way to salvage this TL? :coldsweat:
 
Work in progress... (maybe I will add Spain, Portugal and France when I will have sorted them)
Edward IV, King of England (1442–1486) married Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492) in 1464​
  1. Elizabeth of York (b.1466) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459) in 1483
    1. See under Maximilian for issue
  2. Mary of York (1467-1482)
  3. Cecily of York (b.1469) married James IV, King of Scotland(b.1473) in 1484
    1. Margaret of Scotland (b.1485)
    2. James, Duke of Rothesay (1487-1488)
    3. Elizabeth (b.1489)
    4. James V, King of Scotland (b.1492)
    5. Alexander (b. 1494)
  4. Edward V of England (b.1470) married Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477) in 1490
    1. Edward, Prince of Wales (1492-1497)
    2. Richard III, King of England (b.1494)
    3. Elizabeth (1497-1500)
    4. Anne Isabelle (1500)
    5. Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b.1502)
    6. Katherine (b. 1505)
  5. Margaret of York (1472-1472)
  6. Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk (b.1473) married a) Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk(1472-1493) in 1478
    1. Edward, Duke of York and Norfolk (b.1488)
    2. Elizabeth of York (b.1490)
    3. Anne of York (b.1493)
  7. Anne of York (b.1475) married Philip, Duke of Burgundy (b.1478) in 1493
    1. See under Philip for issue
  8. George, Duke of Bedford (1477-1479)
  9. Catherine of York (b.1479) married Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) in 1494
  10. Bridget of York (b.1480) nun

Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459) married a) Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457-1482) in 1477 b) Elizabeth of York (b.1466-1492) in 1482 c) Bianca Maria Sforza (b.1472) in 1494

1a) Philip of Burgundy (1478-1500), Duke of Burgundy married Anne of York (b. 1475) in 1493​
1) Mary II, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1495) married Antoine, Duke of Lorraine and Burgundy (b. 1489) in 1507*​
2) miscarriage (1498)​
3) Charles (1499-1500)​
2a) Margaret of Burgundy (1480-1510), Queen of France married Charles VIII, King of France (1470-1498) in 1492​
1) Anne Marie of France (1495-1506)​
2) Louis XII, King of France (1497-1507)​
3a) Francis (1481)​
4b) stillborn son (1485)​
5b) Eleanor (b.1487), Queen of Hungary and Bohemia married Vladislaus II Jagiellon, King of Bohemia and Hungary (b.1456) in 1502​
5b) Ernest II, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1490)​
6b) Elizabeth (b.1492), Queen of Poland married Sigismund I the Old, King of Poland (b.1467) in 1510​
8c) Bianca (b.1495) married James V of Scotland
9c) Beatrice (b. 1497) married Richard III of England
10c) Isabella (b.1498) married Christian II of Denmark
11c) Frederick (1502-1508)​
12c) miscarriage (1504)​
13c) Maximilian II, Duke of Milan (b.1507) married Isabella Beatrice Sforza, Duchess of Milan and Bari (b.1515)**​

notes
*matches who bring an union between Burgundy and Lorraine are something who I really like
**Isabella Beatrice Sforza is the daughter and only child of Ercole Massimiliano Sforza (aka Maximilian I of Milan, eldest son of Ludovico Sforza "il Moro" and Beatrice d'Este) and of his wife and cousin Bona Sforza (daughter of Gian Galeazzo Sforza and Isabella of Aragon-Naples). Maximilian's younger brother Francesco (OTL Francis II) decided who he had no intention to make Bona and Isabella his enemies contesting his niece's claim and instead supported her
Hell yeah independent Brittany! (Albeit heavily under English influence lol)
 
Hell yeah independent Brittany! (Albeit heavily under English influence lol)
Well ruled by anjunior branch of Yorks but still independent (and with enough foreign support to remain independent)... In any case that is a big French screw (Brittany independent, Lorraine and Burgundy united and Spanish Navarre)
 
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