On the contrary, I think the brief tripolar world order is breaking down into two popular fronts with the RZ's alliance with Drakia and the looming Grand Alliance/Defense Pact coalition against it.
Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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Except if the're invaded by the Geoist-Societist bloc (while America and Japan are busy with each other). Not very likely, but...
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I wonder if there will be an end of the world showdown between Draka and America for control of the planet, with super weapons and shit. I think the most realistic scenario would be nuclear or biological annihilation. Hopefully America abstain itself from pretending the Drakians are the aliens of Independence Day and would fall for Trojan Horse bullshit.
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On the contrary, given the more grounded take on the concept I imagine they'll spend most of the twentieth century gearing up for apocalyptic war and then everything just kind of... stalls out, leaving a strange new fractured world and certain nostalgics on both sides wishing for the clean simplicity of the Protracted Struggle.
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In my defense I did decide to modify the result of the roll, so while the side that rolled a one will lose it won't quite as devastating. Also;
But there should be a twist or two in the second half of the war.
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Thanks! The next chapter will cover the beginning of the Great Patriotic War and the showdown in Europe.
1. Yes, although most of the major powers are involved either in the Great Pacific War or the Great Patriotic War.
2. As I mentioned in chapter 24 (and as @Born in the USSA mentioned) rocketry has been neglected ITTL in favor of long-range heavy artillery. So no cruise missles or ICBMs.
There really aren't a lot of wartime taboos ITTL, are there? We've got a ways to go before we get to atomic weapons though.
Actually they've advanced less than OTL, particularly when one considers that areas that Japan occupied IOTL are controlled by their allies ITTL. The only area where Japan controls significantly more territory is China- they haven't occupied Guam or even landed on New Guinea.
... why didn't I think of that?
Mobile drydocks yes, Tillman "Maximum" battleships no. The World War demonstrated pretty clearly that carriers were the wave of the future, and no one invested too heavily into battleships. Pykrete... is cool (ha ha) but there are far too many reasons why it would be impractical for major military use. There were a couple of carrier/battleship combos launched, but the result was just a ship that doesn't perform well as a battleship or a carrier.
Japan's first strike against the US resulted in significant backlash from within the United States and its allies, but not from within Japan or its allies. It was condemned by the Pan-Europeans and Drakia, but neither the Rex nor the Societists blocs were going to be helping Japan anyway. India's failed first attempt to invade Sri Lanka could be judged as a screw-up, but in general you're right- Japan and America haven't screwed the pooch in any major ways yet.
Next chapter. Once I'm done with the start of the Great Patriotic War I'll post a world map.
Something like this might work
The fighter craft we saw seems a little too advanced I was expecting something a bit more along the lines of something from the korean war with turboprops giving way to fighter jets.
In the scenario I outlined, they'd have been wiped out by the Societist-Geoist Axis of Evil™
That is one of the most hideously useless abominations of naval design I have ever seen.
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Surrounded by Britain, the RZ, Drakia and Rhomania doesn’t look too well for them. The Brits can occupy Holland; the Rhomanians can attack Hungary, the Draka can invade Spain and Italy
People are always desperate for battleship tactics to be relevant long after they should be. Then again, it would be neat to see some divergence of naval tactics.
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Surrounded by Britain, the RZ, Drakia and Rhomania doesn’t look too well for them. The Brits can occupy Holland; the Rhomanians can attack Hungary, the Draka can invade Spain and Italy
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Isn't Spain a Geoist power? I know Russia and Drakia are friendly, what about the Spaniards?
The RZ allying with Drakia caused a Russo-Spanish split. I could see Green Iberia (Portugal's basically a dependency at this point) even ending up with a weird "neutral toward the Pact without an actual alliance but also declaring war on Drakia" thing when the GPW rolls around because (as far as the Pan-Europeans are concerned) the pobladistas would be by far the lesser evil, and would form a buffer along the Pyrenees.
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Also I think "Great Patriotic War" is a fun Great War/World War alternative name, and I'm actually a little bummed it didn't catch on more widely OTL.
And don't forget Russia.
That said, the USA aren't terminally stupid (except if the dice says so), and they won't let the Geoists and Societists just gobble Europe. Even if they have to reach an armistice with India and Japan. And the Draka know it.
Only if the war goes catastrophically bad for the USA, the Societists might see it as an opportunity.
A nation like Drakia or the US where they would be in need of powerful artillery bombardment of guerrilla forces on land near coastlines... something like this could be used.
Something that just occurred to me: given that some technological developments TTL have turned society into blind alleys and that given the Air War everyone will be turning to fighter jets with gusto it would be interesting if ICBMs are really delayed TTL or even butterflied entirely, with an emphasis shifted to V3 cannons and orbital bombers. Hell, a space race revolving entirely around space planes just parking in orbit or trying to coast to the moon or whatever would be incredibly interesting.
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A nation like the US or (more dubiously)Draka could afford a battleship and would have the common sense not build a giant expensive waste of steel which can neither effectively conduct carrier operations or be safely used in any environment where something can shoot back at it
I didn't say it was smart to build. Just that this would be the best use for it and that the two countries could use it for such.
Weirdly enough, those jet fighters are probably pretty terrible compared to their OTL counterparts in the 50s and 60s. Without missiles, maneuverability is probably placed above speed and their weapon range is probably absolutely terrible with their continued use of guns and bombs. If the Separateverse keeps going down their current path they’re going to fall behind OTL, especially in airpower and long range engagements.
I'm concerned we could see a more widespread use of kamikazes in a serious war given Drakian fanaticism. Their concern with their population numbers could quickly be sacrificed to ideological fervor if the Custodial Race is in danger of badly losing a war.
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