The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

As I've stated, you have to question whether standing up for Europe's Jews makes up for basically ending Slovenian identity, carving up Yugoslavia, and brutalizing East and North Africans. Yes, he opposed the most senseless act of mass murder in history, but he did other horrible shit to Libyans, Ethiopians, Serbs, and Slovenes.

ITTL he'll be remembered as a Cromwell-type. A terrible man, who nevertheless had one moment of decency toward the most oppressed people on Earth.

Do keep in mind, these things are not equal in people's minds. What matters to Mussolini is what his contemporaries and the generation or two afterwards think of him.

The holocaust is presently placed pretty much front-and-centre in the popular imagination of everyone in western civilisation. Slovenia was a minor component of Yugoslavia that most people cannot find on a map in OTL's today despite being independent for decades now. Everyone except the dumbest neonazi knows about the holocaust, most people will not even know the name 'Slovenia'. Likewise, this is still in the time of the colonial empires. Compared to the horrific things Leopold the Dickhead got up to in Kongo, merely harshly retaliating to a revolt in one's African colonies is merely distasteful.

A Daring Game of Thrones: Otto of Hapsburg-Lorraine by Johann Wenzer

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The Italians asked Otto to come in Rome for talks and, after obtaining through the British an approval (in a moment where Churchill was progressively aligning with Mussolini and distancing from Roosevelt in containing Communism and punishing Germany), he arrived in Italy at the end of January of 1944, accompanied by his mother, with an Italian granted passport (Zita was after all Italian born and through her, Otto was half or technically a quarter Italian as well). Vittorio Emanuele III offered his Roman countryside villa for their accommodations and Otto and Zita in the next days had meetings with the government (mostly with Ciano), the Royal family and the Roman Church, with Pius XII. The Pope was the firm believer of a “restoration, which would clean Austria and Hungary from the horrors of the War and safeguard them from Communist threat”. Otto would join the funeral of Philip of Hesse.

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However Vittorio Emanuele III had other projects. He felt he didn’t have long to live and he yearned for a final achievement to cement his legacy is to make the Savoia the premier European dynasty, by installing parents on vacant or newly created thrones. He did achieve an important result in making his nephew Aimone of Savoia-Aosta King of Croatia, with the name of Tomislav II. It was the price Pavelic paid to Mussolini for Croatia’s freedom and the annexation of Bosnia.

I think I've already asked this, but will there be a unifed grand duchy or kingdom of Hesse in this timeline?

Also, I can see Croatia becoming a messy running sore in the near future.
 
Do keep in mind, these things are not equal in people's minds. What matters to Mussolini is what his contemporaries and the generation or two afterwards think of him.

The holocaust is presently placed pretty much front-and-centre in the popular imagination of everyone in western civilisation. Slovenia was a minor component of Yugoslavia that most people cannot find on a map in OTL's today despite being independent for decades now. Everyone except the dumbest neonazi knows about the holocaust, most people will not even know the name 'Slovenia'. Likewise, this is still in the time of the colonial empires. Compared to the horrific things Leopold the Dickhead got up to in Kongo, merely harshly retaliating to a revolt in one's African colonies is merely distasteful.

The same way most people aren't aware of the 1940s famine in India?
 
To chip into the discussion about Asia: If as predicted by several posters here Stalin takes all of Korea but not Japan, then chances are the U.S. will force Japan to take in as many Korean refugees as want to leave and give them full legal equality. With everything Japans suicidal course ATM implies that's going to make for massively different demographics in Japan longterm.
 
New side chapter, with usual revisions and additions from Sorairo.


A Daring Game of Thrones: Otto of Hapsburg-Lorraine by Johann Wenzer


… Otto of Hapsburg-Lorraine was different from the traditional Hapsburg “monarch”. It was not due to his pride of being member and leader of such a noble dynasty (entitled to the Imperial Throne of Austria and Royal chair of Hungary). Neither was it his loyalty towards Austria, despite the exile of his family, which many blamed for the rise of Nazism. But his difference was in his political and ideological beliefs, as Otto developed democratic sentiments, encouraged by his university life in Belgium – something a Hapsburg ruler never truly possessed before him. For this, he brought his dynasty into modern times; naturally such beliefs would be squared in the perspective of a constitutional, parliamentary monarchy, something that the Austrian-Hungarian Empire failed to fully build.


While millions of Hungarians pondered the merits of placing a Hapsburg back in even ceremonial power, few realised that serious discussions were underway in other European states about their own monarchies. […]


Requiem Mass for Kaiser Otto of Austria and Hungary, ending with the old Kaiserhymne, which ironically has the same tune as Deutschland Ueber Alles:

 
Probably similar to Pinochet or Park Chung hee. A economic boon, was brought about through bear nuckles methods.

I fear it will be much much better, as for his generation he litteraly 'singlehanded' transformed Italy from a nobody to a great power on par with the other...not saying that's true, just that the current italian population see him in this manner and so what the future think of him will be greatly influenced by this
 
I fear it will be much much better, as for his generation he litteraly 'singlehanded' transformed Italy from a nobody to a great power on par with the other...not saying that's true, just that the current italian population see him in this manner and so what the future think of him will be greatly influenced by this
Realistically, it's just not partecipating for most of the war which greatly increased the ranking of Italy.
 
Realistically, it's just not partecipating for most of the war which greatly increased the ranking of Italy.

Well: OTL there were hints the Italians were more favorable to stay out the war than joining it. In 1936 the Italian public opinion was favorable to Mussolini for the victory in Abyssinia; in 1939 this favour was teethering because of how went the Spanish civil war: sure it was victory, but several italians died. In September of 1939 this favour returned slightly up, because with the trick of the not belligerency Italy was neutral and everyone was enough happy. In 1940 the people generally stood with the regime because, wow, France went down like a cut tree, how is possible to lose an already won war? Yet in 1941 the favour was dipping definitely away because everyone knew the parallel war of Italy failed already.

Here we likely have in 1940 a favourable popular mood because, well Italy won't take part in the war between Germany and the Allies, we won't gain nothing but at least we are in peace; then a first spike with the Yugoslavian fall because, hurray, Dalmatia is ours, we avenged our Versailles; a second spike because Greece was defeated shortly after, then Italy stopped its wars and would stay in peace still, who cares if the Germans would take all the honour to defeat Communism. In 1943 the support will stand because, ah, Germany is losing, how the Duce was wise to not entangle himself with Hitler! And then, the great betrayal, Trieste in flames, all around the Duce and the King, who ever dares to even think to remove them is a traitor of Italy, then there would be the triumphal march onwards Germany...

Is hard to change opinion over such a windwhirl of events. People like Togliatti in Moscow were surely eating their hands when realizing they can't dethrone Mussolini unless of an invasion. Antifascism is another victim of the Italian success TTL.
 
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One country that might restore its monarchy ITTL is Portugal. Salazar is already emulating Italian colonial policy; he might decide based off Italy's success that a monarch figurehead is a good idea based on Italy's success.
 
Is hard to change opinion over such a windwhirl of events. People like Togliatti in Moscow were surely eating their hands when realizing they can't dethrone Mussolini unless of an invasion. Antifascism is another victim of the Italian success TTL.

Well, don't feel too sorry for Il migliore...he is too much of a Stalin fanboy, not that this protect him during the next purge
 
Well, don't feel too sorry for Il migliore...he is too much of a Stalin fanboy, not that this protect him during the next purge
Well, OTL leadership of the PCI is literally screwed: Mussolini is kind of invincible at home, and Stalin is not exactly at the top of his game. The PSI is on pole for leftist party in a far post
-fascist future.
 
The Red Dagger
The Red Dagger


Interview of Anthony Eden for the BBC’s ‘World At War’ (1973)

Interview: “Do you remember the first time you met Wallace?”

Eden: “Yes, it was at Potsdam.”

Interview: “Can you tell us about it?”

Eden: “I certainly can. Wallace was the last to arrive. The four other leaders, Stalin, Churchill, DeGaulle, and Mussolini were standing in a line with Stalin on the far left, no pun intended. I remember Wallace arriving on the right side of the line, that is to say, closest to Mussolini. Mussolini actually stood to attention and offered his hand to the President. Wallace didn’t even look at him. Wallace simply kept walking past everyone in the line like they didn’t exist … until he stretched out his hand to greet Marshall Stalin. It was a horrible experience. All the non-Soviet delegations, including the Americans were utterly mortified when they saw it. Well, perhaps we were all mortified – Mussolini was simply incensed. It made Kiev seem like a pleasant afternoon tea break with the choir.”


The Red and the Dead: How the Wallace Presidency Changed America by Ben Rushmore

Wallace had one goal in mind at Potsdam on December 18th: Get Stalin to help out in Asia come hell or high water. Though Stalin’s mind was already decaying, he had enough wisdom to play cool and talk about how long it would take to rebuild his army from the crippling losses and economic difficulties that beset the USSR, hinting his frustration with a limited territory to plunder. Wallace listened as sympathetically as he didn’t listen to Mussolini at all. After getting off on such abysmal terms, the tone of the meeting had been set.

It was the house of the late Crown Prince Wilhelm, who had been killed by Himmler during the latter days of the war for fear of a Hohenzollern claim on the throne due to the uprising of the Conservative elements of German society against the Nazis. His son, Louis Ferdinand, was there to commemorate his father and wished that the Allied powers achieved a lasting, just peace for Germany. Ferdinand had narrowly escaped capture and fled to the Italians just before being captured by the Gestapo. His refinement and anti-Nazi credentials impressed both Mussolini and Churchill – perhaps an idea was already running through their minds.

The first item on the agenda was the size of the occupation zones for each country. Though Italy was restricted simply to Austria and a small area in Berlin, Mussolini was more than vocal about what he wanted. The new German border had been agreed to follow the Oder River. There had been discussions about an Oder-Niesse border but the Anti-Nazi uprising had given the Germans more leeway than otherwise existed. Thus, they were given this minor break. The Poles were compensated for the Soviet annexation of their eastern territory by the addition of a string of new German territories (with the German residents unkindly kicked from the region). The Soviets never broke into the territory of this new German border, stopping just at Stettin. For that reason, Mussolini concluded that the Soviets had no right to an occupation zone whatsoever beyond that which their new occupied state of Poland had already swallowed, not to mention East Prussia’s annexation. Stalin was of the opinion that the country should be split almost in half like Berlin, with the Soviets going as far as Thuringia. Churchill and DeGaulle objected strongly to this, as this would infringe on their zones. As would soon be a common sight, the European powers stood in unison against Stalin, with Wallace standing on the sidelines though quietly nodding whenever the Russian translator spoke.

Finally, Wallace called Stalin into a private room for ‘frank discussion’. It was here that perhaps the most infamous of Wallace’s decisions came about. It was here that Wallace bribed Stalin’s participation for the war in Japan by not only offering him more Asian territory, but also securing more European territory than he might otherwise have got. Firstly, it was offered that even if not one Russian foot landed in Japan, Hokkaido would be put under Soviet administration. After that, China and Korea would be considered in the Soviet zone of influence – though Stalin had still not decided to 100% back Mao yet, a decision he would come to regret. As far as Wallace was concerned, the Soviets could do what they wanted in China or Korea as long as they kicked the Japanese out. In Europe, America agreed to forsake their Berlin occupation zone and give it to the Soviets (which was thankfully on the side and would not have resulted in two West Berlins). Furthermore, the Americans agreed to strike a compromise with the Europeans on the Occupation Zone question, with an East Germany running along the Elbe and stopping at Schleswig-Holstein (as the British would never leave Hamburg). Even more remarkable, Wallace agreed a unilateral withdrawal of American troops from Iran and Czechia, leaving the British alone to administer the territories outside the Russians. Only a skeleton force would likewise be in Germany. He offered an extension of Lend-Lease while it would shortly be shut down for Britain. He offered complete independence of Soviet action in Poland and Slovakia to choose the government it wanted, with the full right to unilaterally declare independence from Czechoslovakia whenever it pleased. Wallace even went as far as to tell Stalin about the Manhattan Project and about its destructive capability. Some have accused Wallace of outright encouraging the Soviets to build their own but this is unsupported. Stalin was thunderstruck at the number of concessions he gained but did his best to play the reluctant. However, he agreed to launch an invasion of Manchuria in three months.

When news of the terms reached the Europeans, though there was little infringement on their own territory and they had stopped Stalin from getting his full wishes in Germany, they were disgusted. Perhaps best remembered was Churchill’s infamous outburst to Eden that, “The only thing on Wallace’s head is his hat!” DeGaulle had only come to Potsdam due to the desire of everyone to play their own side (the British and Italians thought he would be anti-Communist enough while the Americans and Soviets thought he could moderate the former parties). After words of the deal reached DeGaulle, however, he was in no doubt about it: “Wallace left us to die” he bitterly spat. Mussolini, however, was already beyond anger. In fact, he was already plotting and scheming with Balbo and Ciano about what to do. Many of the suggestions would bear strong fruit.

At the same time, the European leaders knew that this was probably as good a deal as they would get. Britain had already plundered Peenemunde and captured Werner Von Braun, along with the designs and test models of the still unused ‘V2’ Rockets. By the time the Soviets moved into their new occupation zone of East Germany, they would discover the place already starved of talent that had deserted for British shores (and to a lesser extent Italian and American). The European leaders accepted in a private discussion that there was little they could do, as Wallace was merely exercising America’s restraint rather than imposing its will upon them. However, the three leaders agreed that this would not be the end of the discussion. They would meet again, only without Wallace getting in the way. It would be the last time Wallace arrived in Europe for that very reason – he was denied entry by almost the entirety of the continent.


Mussolini: The Twentieth Century Man by Joseph Manderlay

The formation of the United Nations had been mostly up in the air until the solid reality came to fruition at Potsdam. It was agreed to give the organisation some teeth after the League of Nations had failed (somewhat due to the new leaders of the organisation). At the top of the food-chain was a Security Council which could decide to unleash UN forces to defend against the great evils of the world, notably genocide. And a number of them would be granted the extraordinary power to single-handedly veto the proceedings. This would be a point of some contention.

While ‘The Big Three’ of the US, UK and USSR would obviously be included, there was much discussion about who the others would be. France and the Republic of China (Stalin having still not decided to fully back Mao) were by and large agreed without complaint. It was the ascension of Italy to the table that caused a serious falling out. As Italy represented one of the largest power blocks on Earth in the Roman Alliance, and had the full backing of her fellow members as well as many prominent Jewish organisations who wanted to repay Mussolini’s salvation of hundreds of thousands of their brethren, it was considered diplomatically impossible to deny them a seat.

But this caused another issue. Now the Security Council was chaired by six seats, which left the possibility of ties in the air. This was considered a serious flaw in the process and so a seventh applicant was considered necessary. Japan (still at war at the time) and Germany were impossible for obvious reasons. India and Israel still did not yet exist as sovereign nations. In a highly cynical move, Mussolini pushed for Turkey to be included as the seventh chair to represent the Muslim population of the world. The Soviets were outraged at another member of the Roman Alliance getting a seat and threatened to sink the whole organisation by pulling out (which they had already threatened to do when Italy was included in the seating arrangement). Finally a compromise was reached and the relatively neutral country of Brazil, an Allied power in return for President Vargas beginning a policy of political liberalization. Vargas, seeing an easy opportunity to establish Brazil as a world player, gladly accepted and gave amnesty to political dissidents, mostly Communists. Though Stalin hoped Brazil would ultimately be an anti-colonial aid, Brazil would generally side with the West on foreign policy matters, especially in the fifties and sixties.


We Brave Few: Europe 1945-1949 by Abraham Ferguson

The initial waves of elections across Europe in the winter and spring of 1945 produced a wave of results, many interesting. In Hungary, Otto Von Hapsburg rejoiced as the result of the referendum as to whether the monarchy should be restored ended in a 58% victory to the Monarchists. The Hapsburg Dynasty was restored to its former prestige. The young king vowed to be the eternal defender of Hungarian democracy and its minorities, be they political, racial or religious. By contrast, Finland also had a referendum as to whether it would join the Soviet Union as an SSR. One Finn recalled how a certain polling station in Helsinki consisted of a public ballot with multiple Red Army soldiers standing on all sides of the table, overlooking the voter’s choice. All in all, it was pointless, as the 90% polling victory for the SSR option was in many locales in possession of a higher voting count than the entire population of the area, children included. Wallace would defend the vote count on the fact that the referendum for the French constituent assembly achieved a 96% ‘yes’ rate. Similar results were noted in occupied Czechoslovakia, with the Communists gaining 48% of the vote on the back of ludicrously strong performances in Slovakia. Few had hope for the Polish and East German elections scheduled in the not too distant future. Speaking of France, tensions had considerably boiled over with DeGaulle kicking the Communists out of the Three-Parties Alliance and replacing them with the Conservative bloc. It ignited a firestorm of strikes and riots up and down France, with the Communists winning nearly a third of the vote in the 1945 election, though it was not enough to overcome the alliance. Political instability would rock France for months after the election, though the PCF would never achieve a success as monumental as a third of the vote ever again.

The British elections had been delayed until early-June. At the time, it was commonly expected that Labour would achieve a modest victory. While Churchill was personally popular, the Conservatives were considered out of touch. The Labour program, which called for mass nationalization, was considered modern and revolutionary. The Beveridge Report had been a key issue in the campaign, with all parties pledging to fulfill it, though the ratio of public and private involvement differed party to party. All in all, Labour led opinion polls from anywhere between five to ten percent.

It was perhaps because of this that Churchill decided to take a gamble. One can never be sure how much the infamous ‘Red Dagger Speech’ was motivated by real world or electoral concerns, but both were equally possible. The dormant Anti-Communist feelings of the British electorate were awakened at news of the results in the Finnish and Slovakian elections. The reports of intimidation had stirred wrath that was just beginning to brew. Wallace’s Sovietphilia compounded this, which was by now being criticized by almost every paper that wasn’t avowedly of the Left. Churchill also knew that if he could make the election about foreign policy, he would be in with a better shot of winning. Secondly, as Eden recorded in his diary, Churchill had been mortified by Wallace’s conduct at Potsdam. He had decided that for the forseeable future, the United States could not be an ally and he had to depend only on his European allies. Thus, he crafted a speech that was to be the claxon call for Europe: Wake up! Thus, even though World War Two was still raging, even though the Nuremburg Trials were only heating up, Winston Churchill started the Cold War with the famous words that came from the House of Commons.


Winston Churchill’s Speech to the House of Commons, April 26th 1945

“From Vladivostok on the Pacific, to Stettin on the Baltic, a Red Dagger [1] stands poised over the heart of Europe. And should it plunge down, then all those great cities: Paris, Rome, Vienna, Athens, Budapest, yes even London herself … they shall all be crushed by foreign despotism after having so barely survived another. Once more, Europe finds herself alone against monstrous tyranny. But now, with the cost of appeasement, the cost of surrender and the cost of division now so plain to us, the people of Europe are united. They know it makes no sense to fight amongst themselves when there is bear on the hunt.”


[1] – TTL’s Iron Curtain, but since the new shape of Europe is more like a knife jutting out than a straight cut across, the symbols were changed.
 
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Welp, America's name just got blackened right across Europe.

Congratulations, Wallace. By kowtowing to the Soviets, you've just guaranteed that countries that would have been your allies are now going to look to Mussolini's Italy. And you've also guaranteed that Fascism is considered a respectable branch of politics in Europe. Nice work...
 
Wallace, you well-meaning but airheaded fool. That sound youhear is that of FDR spinni in his grave with enough speed to power several suburbs.
 

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As far as Wallace was concerned, the Soviets could do what they wanted in China or Korea as long as they kicked the Japanese out
OTL during Wallace's trip to China in 1944, he pretty much rebuffed any pressure that he even would meet with the Chinese Communists, and his report to FDR that China would be best under the Nationalists and not the Communists, even and HW put it that Chiang was a 'short time investment'. Even he could see his problems in leading China.

He was able to successfully rebut charges that he was one of causes of 'losing China' bu pointing out his recommendations from the report he sent to FDR

HW and the China Lobby were closer in view than many realize
 
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