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Awesome! Thanks for the reply! And what was domestic terrorism like in the US?
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And if the US didn’t get involved in foreign wars, where did they fight? I assume the within the US fighting off insurgencies?
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And lastly, were the 70’s a very bloody time in the US? Especially with NYC going near bankrupt? And as mentioned, white supremacist terrorists wreaking havoc? Thanks again for your answers! Sorry if it’s a lot...
In the south mostly from the far right going on a rampage in African-American areas and with sporadic counter attacks from Black defensive groups. In the northern industrial cities and towns there are industrial sabotage and protests from the organzied labour force and leftist groups. Here we also have conservative, rightist groups driving from the suburbs to shot socialists demonstrations up. On the coasts its the same as in the industrial areas, but with moderate/center groups joining the fray ... or being shot up by both sides.
Oh the US did get involved in foreign wars. Central and some parts of South America were basically US playground. United fruits, Coca Cola versus native groups, leftwing militants and drug barons (for and against US companies). Since the civil war some American militant groups (mostly in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Florida) have been receiving "help" from these foreign groups.
Yep the 70s was very bloody. Not only did NYC went bankrupt, but it went up in flames too - the Bronx United Commune was one of the, albeit very short, uprisings that broke out in this area. Needless to say the rich were getting more filthy rich, since the supressions of the revolts they had the first (and only pick) of the "vacant" homes...
Think white supremacists terrorism in the south (and other parts of the US) of OTL but double it. And civil rights struggle more militant. The 80s and 90s were more calm before the flames were fanned again in the noughties (2000s) especially with an earlier and worst recession.
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Awesome answer! Thanks again! I might some other questions later relating to the other nations but I’ll get back to you later. 
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What were the 80’s and 90’s like in the US if it was more calm? Still bad but not as bad until the 2000’s? Also, what wars would be equivalent to Vietnam and Afghanistan, the gulf war? And would you say the civil war is similar to the otl Syria civil war?
I haven’t thought it out really. But we can assume it was worse than OTL 80s and 90s but better than its past decades.Yes this ATL civil war is just like OTL Syrian civil war.
Yes!
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Also, what wars are equivalent to otl Vietnam war, Afghan war and the gulf war? Thanks!
There is none. At least I haven't thought of any. There is a series of great power tensions and conflicts (proxy wars) - in central Africa, Central America and south-east Asia but not on the scale or intensity like the Vietnam War, Afghan Wars. There is no equivalent to the gulf wars.
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The Kaiser - Map 5.1 – Worldmap
Series 5 – The Kaiser
Map 5.1 – Worldmap
Vacuity Institute RAV219MEL / Sub-Department of the “Vacuity Galactic and Universal Ministry” of the “United Multiverse Assembly” and the “Supreme Multiuniversal Templar Multiverse-Imperium Assembly”.
### Incoming transmission ###
To Supervisor Martin,
Since the start of my task to catalogue the late Mr. Harlan collection of capsule universes, I have discovered many interesting worlds. It also seems that Mr. Harlan also has a special hobby of self-inserting himself into
historical persons of old earth. Now self-Insertion, manipulating events in the past, time-travels, ISOTs-copies are nothing new and are being used by the multiverse great powers (of which there are to many to count) to bolster their faction in the assembly. Also the rich and powerful are using the same methods to project their influence, gain more power and/or are doing all those time-changing things out of sheer boredom. Now whereas most of the time-changing-time-influencing-historical-interference results in more or less the ending which the powers desired - be it making xyz-country great(er), advancing a nations technology or wining an unwinnable war.
This is where the collection of Mr. Harlan gets interesting. His mostly hands-off approach to many of his little universes (I want to mention that most of the other self-inserts, timetravel etc. are not made using the "capsule universe" method rather they are made in "normal" parallel universes) has resulted in a diverse range of worlds. But this one stood out for me. For its sheer boredom. It seems that Mr. Harlan inserted himself into the early mind of a European potentate - nothing unusual since countless others did the same thing - and rather doing something extraordinaire did nothing. Well he rather enjoyed his 97years (the time he spent in the universe) to enjoy himself - collecting riches (and making his designated country rich), eating good food and wine and very often enjoy the companies of young ladies. Oh he prevented a large war, sold off lots of land (which he didn't owned to begin with...) and made a strong economic and political alliance. But that was it. Nothing more.
So dear Supervisor may I present to you the world of Mr. Harlan - The Kaiser!.
Synth-1234
### End transmission ###
### Start of summary ###
- Mr. Harlan isoted himself into the minds of crown prince Wilhelm (the future German emperor Wilhelm II) and with future knowledge avoided a breech birth. His childhood was more or less uneventful. He was still strictly taught by Hinzpeter but enjoyed riding. He still grew apart from his parents ideals but doesn't have the fractured relationship with his mother. As crown prince he rather enjoyed his teenage and young adult years. Wilhelm remained unmarried by the time of his ascension to the German throne in 1888.
- Rather than dismissing Bismarck the Kaiser let the old chancellor stay at his post until his retirement in late 1897. The Kaiser then appointed Bismarck son - Herbert as chancellor. By this time the old alliance web that the senior Bismarck has created was beginning to unravel. The Kaiser had to choose between an alliance with Austria-Hungary or Russia. He chose Russia.
- With Bismarck backing the Kaiser took a step back from colonial adventures. With Britain he concluded the London Conference of 1890 which effectively seeded control of Samoa, Wituland, Togo and other colonial holdings to London. The Kaiser famously said that he wanted as many colonies as he had fingers on his left hand. By the turn of the century Germany had four colonies - German West Africa (aka. Cameroon), German East Africa (aka. Tanganyika), Southwest Africa and North Papua. A fifth colony has yet to be found or aquired.
- The Kaiser (Mr. Harlan) together with Russia were developing plans to divide Europe into their respective spheres. The Kaiser knew that a small war had to be fought and Russia satisfied so that peace and prosperity (in Germany and western Europe) can happen. His target to achieve this goal was Austria-Hungary. The nation would be dividedaccording to the secret Peterburg protocol, later known as the Leithania Agreement of 1909. The agreement seeks to divide the Danube monarchy along its Austrian and Hungarian parts. With the Austrian parts (minus Galicia-Lodmeria and Dalmatia) going to Germany and the Hungarian parts to Russia and Serbia.
- In 1914 just like Mr. Harlan aka. the Kaiser knew, war was started by the assassination of the Austrian crown prince. Germany moved quickly occupying the Austrian alpine provinces in a matter of weeks (thanks in part due to Mr. Harlan exquisite knowledge of future military tactics and tech), Russia slogged through Galicia and Serbia through Bosnia.
- France did joined Austria in its fight against Germany, Russia and Serbia but it lost hundreds of thousands of men against the German defensive lines in Alsace, achieving little than a few kilometres of advances. Britain meanwhile through careful political moves by the Kaiser remained neutral and aloof.
- Despite putting up a great resistance Austria Hungary collapsed in autumn of 1915, leaving France alone. In the summer of 1916 after losing more than two million men on the slopes of Vosges mountain, the French army mutinied a week later the government was toppled and the new French government sued for peace.
- The Conference of Potsdam in 1916 permanently divided Europe into two spheres a Russian East and a German West. Austria-Hungary was carved up by the two continental powers - Galica, Lodmeria and Bukovina to Russia, Croatia, Bosnia and the Dalmatian coast to Serbia (know Yugoslavia), Italy which only opportunistically joined late in the war got only the Austrian Istrian province, Romania which didn't joined but still demanded Hungarian territories got nothing. Russia and Germany decided to keep the main Hungarian lands intact - as a sort of neutral, demilitarised country between their respective spheres. Germany didn't annexed the remaining Austrian provinces but rather set up a puppet state - the Austrian Kingdom - out of Austria, Bohemia and the Slovenes land. As a puppet king it selected Maximilian von Hohenberg, the son of the late Austrian crown prince. It also gained its fifth colony - Morocco - from France (along with a sizeable war reparation).
- So history happens Germany and Russia after a period of close cooperation grew apart from each other. Germany set up a common market for west European nations, which would later be reformed into the West European Union - consisting of twelve nations - Austria, Belgium, Italy, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Germany. Russia after its victory in the west concentrated its gaze to Asia and the rising power of Japan. Their rivalry over China would culminate in the Great Asian War of the 1940s. Japan and its collaborators would after many long and bloody years be kicked out of mainland Asia. Russia would carve out East Asia but not without meeting resistance from a new rising power the United States.
- Russia and the US would enter into a great game in East Asia which still last to this day. Evidence of this are the divided states of China - a more or less Russian aligned North China and a US aligned South China.
- Britain having fought no war but maintaining a global empire started to feel the strain. Many prime ministers succeeded only to apply small bandages to it but all started to unravel in the 1980s Britain went into its second Anarchy and the British Empire was no more.
- The world of 2020 is divided into three camps - a Russian Sphere (although it influence started to wane - it has slipped its grip on North China and lost many influence in Eastern Europe), an American Sphere and a German/West European Sphere (Germany alone cannot maintain a Superpower status but with the backing of the W.E.U. with its 364 million citizens it can still wield considerable influence on the world stage).
### End of summary ###
Authors note: Welcome to the start of the fifth map/infobox series of Timelines of the Capsule Universes or TLCU. This is sort of an idea I had for a very long time - what would or could I do if I were self-inserted into Kaiser Willys mind? Would I be able to stop a war? Be as megalomaniac as the real Kaiser or just simply enjoy myself as a young dandy crown prince? I think I would have really enjoyed myself
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The Kaiser - Map 5.2 – Germany
Series 5 – The Kaiser
Map 5.2 – Germany
The first part of a four-part series showcasing the three most important nations of the world and an interesting one.
The Kaiser - Map 5.3 – Russia
Series 5 – The Kaiser
Map 5.3 – Russia
The second part of a four-part series showcasing the three most important nations of the world and an interesting one.
Love the Map, especially the color of America's Allies.
Series 5 – The Kaiser
Map 5.1 – Worldmap
Vacuity Institute RAV219MEL / Sub-Department of the “Vacuity Galactic and Universal Ministry” of the “United Multiverse Assembly” and the “Supreme Multiuniversal Templar Multiverse-Imperium Assembly”.
### Incoming transmission ###
To Supervisor Martin,
Since the start of my task to catalogue the late Mr. Harlan collection of capsule universes, I have discovered many interesting worlds. It also seems that Mr. Harlan also has a special hobby of self-inserting himself into
historical persons of old earth. Now self-Insertion, manipulating events in the past, time-travels, ISOTs-copies are nothing new and are being used by the multiverse great powers (of which there are to many to count) to bolster their faction in the assembly. Also the rich and powerful are using the same methods to project their influence, gain more power and/or are doing all those time-changing things out of sheer boredom. Now whereas most of the time-changing-time-influencing-historical-interference results in more or less the ending which the powers desired - be it making xyz-country great(er), advancing a nations technology or wining an unwinnable war.
This is where the collection of Mr. Harlan gets interesting. His mostly hands-off approach to many of his little universes (I want to mention that most of the other self-inserts, timetravel etc. are not made using the "capsule universe" method rather they are made in "normal" parallel universes) has resulted in a diverse range of worlds. But this one stood out for me. For its sheer boredom. It seems that Mr. Harlan inserted himself into the early mind of a European potentate - nothing unusual since countless others did the same thing - and rather doing something extraordinaire did nothing. Well he rather enjoyed his 97years (the time he spent in the universe) to enjoy himself - collecting riches (and making his designated country rich), eating good food and wine and very often enjoy the companies of young ladies. Oh he prevented a large war, sold off lots of land (which he didn't owned to begin with...) and made a strong economic and political alliance. But that was it. Nothing more.
So dear Supervisor may I present to you the world of Mr. Harlan - The Kaiser!.
Synth-1234
### End transmission ###
### Start of summary ###
- Mr. Harlan isoted himself into the minds of crown prince Wilhelm (the future German emperor Wilhelm II) and with future knowledge avoided a breech birth. His childhood was more or less uneventful. He was still strictly taught by Hinzpeter but enjoyed riding. He still grew apart from his parents ideals but doesn't have the fractured relationship with his mother. As crown prince he rather enjoyed his teenage and young adult years. Wilhelm remained unmarried by the time of his ascension to the German throne in 1888.
- Rather than dismissing Bismarck the Kaiser let the old chancellor stay at his post until his retirement in late 1897. The Kaiser then appointed Bismarck son - Herbert as chancellor. By this time the old alliance web that the senior Bismarck has created was beginning to unravel. The Kaiser had to choose between an alliance with Austria-Hungary or Russia. He chose Russia.
- With Bismarck backing the Kaiser took a step back from colonial adventures. With Britain he concluded the London Conference of 1890 which effectively seeded control of Samoa, Wituland, Togo and other colonial holdings to London. The Kaiser famously said that he wanted as many colonies as he had fingers on his left hand. By the turn of the century Germany had four colonies - German West Africa (aka. Cameroon), German East Africa (aka. Tanganyika), Southwest Africa and North Papua. A fifth colony has yet to be found or aquired.
- The Kaiser (Mr. Harlan) together with Russia were developing plans to divide Europe into their respective spheres. The Kaiser knew that a small war had to be fought and Russia satisfied so that peace and prosperity (in Germany and western Europe) can happen. His target to achieve this goal was Austria-Hungary. The nation would be dividedaccording to the secret Peterburg protocol, later known as the Leithania Agreement of 1909. The agreement seeks to divide the Danube monarchy along its Austrian and Hungarian parts. With the Austrian parts (minus Galicia-Lodmeria and Dalmatia) going to Germany and the Hungarian parts to Russia and Serbia.
- In 1914 just like Mr. Harlan aka. the Kaiser knew, war was started by the assassination of the Austrian crown prince. Germany moved quickly occupying the Austrian alpine provinces in a matter of weeks (thanks in part due to Mr. Harlan exquisite knowledge of future military tactics and tech), Russia slogged through Galicia and Serbia through Bosnia.
- France did joined Austria in its fight against Germany, Russia and Serbia but it lost hundreds of thousands of men against the German defensive lines in Alsace, achieving little than a few kilometres of advances. Britain meanwhile through careful political moves by the Kaiser remained neutral and aloof.
- Despite putting up a great resistance Austria Hungary collapsed in autumn of 1915, leaving France alone. In the summer of 1916 after losing more than two million men on the slopes of Vosges mountain, the French army mutinied a week later the government was toppled and the new French government sued for peace.
- The Conference of Potsdam in 1916 permanently divided Europe into two spheres a Russian East and a German West. Austria-Hungary was carved up by the two continental powers - Galica, Lodmeria and Bukovina to Russia, Croatia, Bosnia and the Dalmatian coast to Serbia (know Yugoslavia), Italy which only opportunistically joined late in the war got only the Austrian Istrian province, Romania which didn't joined but still demanded Hungarian territories got nothing. Russia and Germany decided to keep the main Hungarian lands intact - as a sort of neutral, demilitarised country between their respective spheres. Germany didn't annexed the remaining Austrian provinces but rather set up a puppet state - the Austrian Kingdom - out of Austria, Bohemia and the Slovenes land. As a puppet king it selected Maximilian von Hohenberg, the son of the late Austrian crown prince. It also gained its fifth colony - Morocco - from France (along with a sizeable war reparation).
- So history happens Germany and Russia after a period of close cooperation grew apart from each other. Germany set up a common market for west European nations, which would later be reformed into the West European Union - consisting of twelve nations - Austria, Belgium, Italy, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Germany. Russia after its victory in the west concentrated its gaze to Asia and the rising power of Japan. Their rivalry over China would culminate in the Great Asian War of the 1940s. Japan and its collaborators would after many long and bloody years be kicked out of mainland Asia. Russia would carve out East Asia but not without meeting resistance from a new rising power the United States.
- Russia and the US would enter into a great game in East Asia which still last to this day. Evidence of this are the divided states of China - a more or less Russian aligned North China and a US aligned South China.
- Britain having fought no war but maintaining a global empire started to feel the strain. Many prime ministers succeeded only to apply small bandages to it but all started to unravel in the 1980s Britain went into its second Anarchy and the British Empire was no more.
- The world of 2020 is divided into three camps - a Russian Sphere (although it influence started to wane - it has slipped its grip on North China and lost many influence in Eastern Europe), an American Sphere and a German/West European Sphere (Germany alone cannot maintain a Superpower status but with the backing of the W.E.U. with its 364 million citizens it can still wield considerable influence on the world stage).
### End of summary ###
Authors note: Welcome to the start of the fifth map/infobox series of Timelines of the Capsule Universes or TLCU. This is sort of an idea I had for a very long time - what would or could I do if I were self-inserted into Kaiser Willys mind? Would I be able to stop a war? Be as megalomaniac as the real Kaiser or just simply enjoy myself as a young dandy crown prince? I think I would have really enjoyed myself- I would have travelled a lot, enjoyed the companies of many ladies, invested in new technologies/markets or spurned their development when I can and tried my damn best to avoid a war - or just limiting it to one or two regions in Europe - thus my thinking of allying with Russia rather than the dead-weight Austria, sucking up to Britain and the US (no High Sea Fleet, less colonies etc.). And in the end maybe creating a better starting point for the 20th century?! And also get filthy rich or richer as the Kaiser. So what would you have done as the German Kaiser?
The Kaiser - Map 5.4 – United States of America
Series 5 – The Kaiser
Map 5.4 – United States of America
The third part of a four-part series showcasing the last of the three most important nations of the world.
The Kaiser - Map 5.5 – Tanganyika
Series 5 – The Kaiser
Map 5.5 – Tanganyika
The last part of a four-part series showcasing the three most important nations of the world and this interesting one.
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Very beautiful and well-made maps!
The higher population of Tanganyika as compared to OTL can be explained by an earlier development of the society? What I mean is that the 15 mil. discrepancy between this Tanganyika and OTL's Tanzania+Ruanda+Burundi is explained by the Germans investing in proper health care more early on or how come the discrepancy is so large? I was just a bit suprised given that your estimate for the modern German population is rather conservative, although absolutely reasonable. I was also surprised at the high level of immigration to Germany, because Germany in this timeline did not experience the traumatic and devastating loss of two whole generations, I would be inclined to believe that this Germany would not have to rely so much on "Guest-Workers" and would in general be less interested in attracting immigrants than OTL's Germany.
I'm looking forward to your answer
The higher population of Tanganyika as compared to OTL can be explained by an earlier development of the society? What I mean is that the 15 mil. discrepancy between this Tanganyika and OTL's Tanzania+Ruanda+Burundi is explained by the Germans investing in proper health care more early on or how come the discrepancy is so large? I was just a bit suprised given that your estimate for the modern German population is rather conservative, although absolutely reasonable. I was also surprised at the high level of immigration to Germany, because Germany in this timeline did not experience the traumatic and devastating loss of two whole generations, I would be inclined to believe that this Germany would not have to rely so much on "Guest-Workers" and would in general be less interested in attracting immigrants than OTL's Germany.
I'm looking forward to your answer
Yes Tanganyika population and parts of Africa are higher than OTL due to more investment by Germany in their country. Also Tanganyika has a far higher immigrant population than OTL mostly from Arabia and India. It also has a larger European population.Very beautiful and well-made maps!
The higher population of Tanganyika as compared to OTL can be explained by an earlier development of the society? What I mean is that the 15 mil. discrepancy between this Tanganyika and OTL's Tanzania+Ruanda+Burundi is explained by the Germans investing in proper health care more early on or how come the discrepancy is so large? I was just a bit suprised given that your estimate for the modern German population is rather conservative, although absolutely reasonable. I was also surprised at the high level of immigration to Germany, because Germany in this timeline did not experience the traumatic and devastating loss of two whole generations, I would be inclined to believe that this Germany would not have to rely so much on "Guest-Workers" and would in general be less interested in attracting immigrants than OTL's Germany.
I'm looking forward to your answer
In regards to Germany - those are very valid points. When I first started making up the scenario I did my own basic research in population projections for Germany, also factoring in the immigration into the country. What I came up with was that - Germany would have a very large population (depending on which projection I chose - a Denmark scenario growth would lead between 120-140 million population, the Dutch scenario growth to 170+ million population and so on) and its immigrants would come mostly from East and South Europe. Natalist policy in Germany and a more conservative attitude would definitly contribute to more population growth and focus on attracting immigrant "that look like us".
I find this by itself very interesting but I wanted this Germany to be more interesting, more cosmopolitan than the above mentioned scenarios. What I first did to advance this society - excalarate German and European (West Europe) society in regards to womens rights, health and wealth so that the demographic curve (towards less than 2 children per women) happend fifthy or sixty years earlier than OTL. Also have more interaction between Europe and their colonies in Africa and Asia - here no world wars really helped - to the benifit of both Europe and their colonies (well mostly since the Brits screwed up and their empire collapsed into anarchy). Hence more immigration from the colonies and later neighbouring regions to the "mothercountry".
And thirdly by getting many Europeans rich or wealthy enough to purchase their own houses or apartments - get as many poor European into middle or upper class and by retaining a big middle class - those Germans, French, Spaniards etc. will want to retain their wealth, enjoy themselves until they are thirty or older before they decide to have (one or two) children. And how to attain the third point?! - the SI Kaiser would have to large investment into infrastructure projects, building a common market, advance the free transfer of ideas and technology and building a large industry.
So in short the SI Kaiser would get as many Germans and (West) Europeans rich as soon as possible so that they are less inclined to have children. And have a closer relation with the colonies. Also an earlier "discovery" of the pill and reliable condoms helped!
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