Why the Chinese play cricket (an Imperial Federation timeline)

Prior to the Great War, Germany was convinced it could not successfully fight a prolonged two front war. so one of Russia or France had to be knocked out quickly and Russia can not be knocked out quickly
Germany was by no means unified in the strategy best characterized by the Schlieffen Plan if you are looking to change things up. Throughout the latter half of the 19th and into the early 20th century the two schools of thought were roughly translated into English as the elimination strategy and the attrition strategy; I forgot the fancy German terms. It was a debate that went on for decades that only tipped into an "elimination strategy" over the late 1890's to the adoption of the Schlieffen Plan in 1905 and only truly ended in 1914 when Germany committed to the Schlieffen plan in the opening phase of the war.

The Elimination Strategy was what Germany eventually adopted under Schlieffen. A single grand maneuver meant to completely defeat an enemy in a single campaign. It called for catching the enemy armies out of position and through aggressive maneuver seizing key locations and breaking the ability of the enemy; in this case France; to wage an effective war. Proponents of this mainly used the Franco-Prussian war as their example seeking to emulate it in a modern war.

The Attrition Strategy on the other hand called only for tactical offensives to gain needed defensive terrain and necessary resources both to help Germany and deny them to the enemy. There was no expectation that the war would be finished in a single campaign season and the idea was to use a mix of local superiority, tactical grab and hold offensives, and extremely in depth defenses to wear out an enemy force and bring about a peace conference. Proponents of this strategy used Frederick the Great during the 7 years war as an example of how this strategy could be effective. As late as the 1890's the German General Staff felt this was the better strategy to deal with a Franco-Russian alliance.

Interestingly Moltke the Elder by the late 1870's felt that an Elimination Strategy was unfeasible against a Franco-Russian or Franco-Austrian alliance given the fortifications of France and introduction of widespread conscription in France and Russia. It wasn't until the late 1890's that Schlieffen felt that an Elimination Strategy against France alone would be feasible by going through the low countries and it wasn't until 1905 itself that it was felt possible to do it when France was apart of a Franco-Russian alliance and even than he went through multiple variations of elimination and attritional strategy being war gamed before ending up with the Schlieffen Plan as we know it today. It was by no means even after 1905 a universal belief that the Imperial German Army would be able to pull off such a maneuver against France and Russia.

In this case with overt US support of Japan during the war the impression of Russia as a broken power would be lessened perhaps just enough that Germany would pursue a more limited offensive against France than dig in deep and throw themselves against Russia. Proponents of this strategy could point out that in the Western Front it would be Germany alone while in the Eastern Front Germany would have the Austro-Hungarian army along with them. Moltke the Younger already hedged his bets from the Schlieffen Plan when he became head of the General Staff after 1906; weakening the western armies and strengthening the eastern ones; and a slightly lesser belief in Russian weakness could see him wholesale change plans from a France centric elimination strategy to a Russian centric attritional strategy.

To be clear Germany adopting an attritional strategy would also be a Germany that doesn't expect to be able to "win" in the sense of German armies in Petrograd and Paris. Instead the strategy would be to bleed out the Russians enough and make French offensives futile enough that a peace conference would be held ideally with German armies on foreign soil and no foreign armies on German soil.

Ultimately it is up to you how you want Germany to develop but don't think you must stick with something resembling the Schlieffen Plan for "realism sake" as it wouldn't have taken much for the attritional strategy faction to come out on top and a Russian centric war plan to be adopted. Even something as simple as a more confident Britain making it clear to the German government that a violation of Belgium's neutrality was a red line in the lead up to a war could push the plan away from OTL.
 
Germany was by no means unified in the strategy best characterized by the Schlieffen Plan if you are looking to change things up. Throughout the latter half of the 19th and into the early 20th century the two schools of thought were roughly translated into English as the elimination strategy and the attrition strategy; I forgot the fancy German terms. It was a debate that went on for decades that only tipped into an "elimination strategy" over the late 1890's to the adoption of the Schlieffen Plan in 1905 and only truly ended in 1914 when Germany committed to the Schlieffen plan in the opening phase of the war.

The Elimination Strategy was what Germany eventually adopted under Schlieffen. A single grand maneuver meant to completely defeat an enemy in a single campaign. It called for catching the enemy armies out of position and through aggressive maneuver seizing key locations and breaking the ability of the enemy; in this case France; to wage an effective war. Proponents of this mainly used the Franco-Prussian war as their example seeking to emulate it in a modern war.

The Attrition Strategy on the other hand called only for tactical offensives to gain needed defensive terrain and necessary resources both to help Germany and deny them to the enemy. There was no expectation that the war would be finished in a single campaign season and the idea was to use a mix of local superiority, tactical grab and hold offensives, and extremely in depth defenses to wear out an enemy force and bring about a peace conference. Proponents of this strategy used Frederick the Great during the 7 years war as an example of how this strategy could be effective. As late as the 1890's the German General Staff felt this was the better strategy to deal with a Franco-Russian alliance.

Interestingly Moltke the Elder by the late 1870's felt that an Elimination Strategy was unfeasible against a Franco-Russian or Franco-Austrian alliance given the fortifications of France and introduction of widespread conscription in France and Russia. It wasn't until the late 1890's that Schlieffen felt that an Elimination Strategy against France alone would be feasible by going through the low countries and it wasn't until 1905 itself that it was felt possible to do it when France was apart of a Franco-Russian alliance and even than he went through multiple variations of elimination and attritional strategy being war gamed before ending up with the Schlieffen Plan as we know it today. It was by no means even after 1905 a universal belief that the Imperial German Army would be able to pull off such a maneuver against France and Russia.

In this case with overt US support of Japan during the war the impression of Russia as a broken power would be lessened perhaps just enough that Germany would pursue a more limited offensive against France than dig in deep and throw themselves against Russia. Proponents of this strategy could point out that in the Western Front it would be Germany alone while in the Eastern Front Germany would have the Austro-Hungarian army along with them. Moltke the Younger already hedged his bets from the Schlieffen Plan when he became head of the General Staff after 1906; weakening the western armies and strengthening the eastern ones; and a slightly lesser belief in Russian weakness could see him wholesale change plans from a France centric elimination strategy to a Russian centric attritional strategy.

To be clear Germany adopting an attritional strategy would also be a Germany that doesn't expect to be able to "win" in the sense of German armies in Petrograd and Paris. Instead the strategy would be to bleed out the Russians enough and make French offensives futile enough that a peace conference would be held ideally with German armies on foreign soil and no foreign armies on German soil.

Ultimately it is up to you how you want Germany to develop but don't think you must stick with something resembling the Schlieffen Plan for "realism sake" as it wouldn't have taken much for the attritional strategy faction to come out on top and a Russian centric war plan to be adopted. Even something as simple as a more confident Britain making it clear to the German government that a violation of Belgium's neutrality was a red line in the lead up to a war could push the plan away from OTL.
As usual you raise a large number of very valid points. In broad terms the global European geopolitical situation remained more or less on its OTL track until around 1898-99. Then France imploded into violent political chaos for about a year leading to the fall of the Third Republic and formation of the Third Empire. The new Empire is more politically stable than the old Republic, lacking its tendency for governments to fall with distressing regularity. It also brought Napoleon IV's partially successful attempts at military reform. Thus France ITTL is somewhat stronger than the OTL.

Despite this, the situation didn't change radically, continuing pretty much on its OTL course, with Britain gradually moving toward alliance with France, with it on the verge of becoming reality by the end of 1905. This was when the huge break happened with election of the right wing Hantaux government in France at the end of 1905. Within a yea Hantaux's policies had killed any prospect of an Anglo-French alliance and Napoleon IV's military forms came to a screeching halt. Then you have the Laurier government in Canada which basically paralysed the Empire, bringing an end to any Imperial long term strategic planning and forcing its focus onto internal matters. While the Empire remained a one of the most powerful players in Great Power diplomacy, these two factors effectively ended any prospect of the Empire entering any Great War.

Despite some some radical changes yet to come by 1909 it will be clear the Empire is reluctant to become involved in any Great War or enter any Great Power Alliances. While this most obviously weakens the Franco-Russian Entente, it also has significant though far more subtle impact on Germany. In the OTL, the British response to the threat of the growing German navy was to abandon Splendid isolation and join the Entente, ITTL the Empire has responded by simply building more ship. By 1914 ITTL, the Empire will have built or ordered three extra dreadnoughts, two extra battlecruisers, and I think fifteen extra cruisers compared with the OTL (note this last increase indicates a heavy focus on trade protection and Imperial commitments). This has forced the Germans to increase their building to match, drawing resources away from the Army. However when the Great War does erupt, Germany will be by far the largest naval power among the combatants, preventing any Entente attempts to impose a blockade..

While this is the major geopolitical change, there is another very important one. Russia's humiliation at the hands of the Japanese ITTL was far greater. They were forced to accept the imposition of financial indemnity to Japan. The very fact that any indemnity was imposed at all was a huge humiliation for Russia, and while vastly below what the Japanese demanded, it was not an insignificant or token sum. The result is a general perception of a weaker Russia than the OTL. However the flip side of this humiliation is Russia has invested far more in it modernisation and development program than the OTL. So while the perception is of a Russia weaker than the OTL, it is in fact stronger.

Basically, I will have to think on this.
 
Oct-Dec 1908: Trouble in the Balkans
~Oct-Dec 1908: Trouble in the Balkans

October 1908: Expecting little international reaction, the Austro-Hungarians announce the annexation of Bosnia and Novi Pazar. However, contrary to their expectations, it sparks massive opposition, with all European Great Powers, Serbia and the Ottoman Empire expressing outrage, provoking the Bosnian Crisis. In particular, it sparks a huge surge of pan-Slavic sentiment throughout the Balkans and Russia, leading to Russia demanding an international conference to resolve the situation.

October 1908: In the five years since Alberto Santos-Dumont's first brief flight in 1903, aviation technology has greatly improved, with aircraft now capable of making reliable flights of tens of kilometres and reaching altitudes of hundreds of metres. In another aviation first, French pioneer Henri Fabre makes the first take off and landing from water with his experimental Hydravion floatplane.

October 1908: At their regular biannual security meeting in Oslo, Danish and Norwegian officials express concern at the eruption of the latest international crisis over Bosnia. It is felt such crises are becoming increasingly common and the likelihood of a European war is growing. In light of this, it is agreed to hold annual joint military exercises to show the two nations commitment to mutual security. However its also felt they must equally stress their policy of strict neutrality remains unaltered. To this end a joint communique is issued by both governments reaffirming their neutral status at the end of the meeting.

October 1908: With French backing, former Khedive Abbas of Egypt has establish a small but loyal network of supporters in Egypt drawn from a mix of nationalists, traditionalist and Islamic fundamentalists, with this last group becoming increasing important. Until now he has confined is activities to political agitation, but with the French beginning to supply weapons and explosives, he begins to include terrorist actions as well.

October 1908: The Daily Telegraph newspaper in London publishes an article presented as an interview with Kaiser Wilhelm II during a recent state visit, though in fact it is just the notes of the Kaiser's conversations with a British army officer. However before publication, the Telegraph sends the article to the Kaiser for approval, who in turn hands it to German Chancellor Bernhard von Bülow for editing. Von Bülow inexplicable passes it to the German Foreign Office, who neglect to examine it, authorising it for publication. The article includes numerous highly inflammatory remarks by the Kaiser regarding all other Great Power, particularly Britain, causing serious diplomatic embarrassment for Wilhelm and Germany, along with him losing significant influence in Germany and even calls for his abdication.

November 1908: Though he only served a partial first term, US President Roosevelt honours the well established convention by not seeking a third term. Instead he selects his friend and Secretary of War William Taft as his successor, running against left leaning Democrat William Bryan. With the issue of the Gold standard having now been long settled, Bryan runs on a platform of social reform and trust busting. However, Roosevelt's many progressive reforms have captured significant support amongst the labour movement and workers in general. The result will be convincing win for Taft, taking 29 states against Bryan's 17. Nevertheless the election shows the Democrat Party is slowly but clearly moving toward the left.

November 1908: The French military has been aware the Mle 1887 Lebel rifle and its round are obsolete for many years, with work on developing their replacements ongoing since 1894. The intention has been to develop a self loading rifle to again produce a rifle far in advance of any other. Unfortunately this project has lacked any clear focus and plagued by diffusion of effort. Thus after fifteen years, the project has little to show for the effort. With tensions in Europe now growing the need for a new rifle is now urgent, Therefore the work is streamlined, with the goal of developing a new rifle by 1913,

November 1908: Since the publication of the Casemont Report into the Congo Free state in 1903, the Congo Reform Association has been successful in keeping the issue of King Leopald's brutal administration alive throughout Europe and US, regularly publicising the atrocities being committed. With public anger of the horrors of King Leopold's regime now having reached overwhelming levels, the signatories to the 1884 Berlin Convention which defined colonial sphere's of influence in Africa are forced to intervene and end Leopold's personal rule. This however leaves the matter of the fate of the region unresolved. With European tensions at near war levels due to the Bosnian Crisis, the Great Powers are unable to agree of the disposition of the resource rich Congo basin. Eventually it is decided to transfer the basin to Belgium as a colony, with the strict proviso the previous abuses are halted and the colony's administration is reformed. The affair leaves Leopold humiliated and disgraced, particularly as the Belgium government is forced to pay 215,500,00 francs {£7,612,609}, including a 50,000,00 francs {£1,726,267} personal payment directly to Leopold from public funds.

November 1908: The Bosnian Crisis has continued to worsen, with Serbia demanding territorial concessions in the newly annexed Bosnia and Austria-Hungary responding with threats of invasion, despite their sole support coming from Germany. Paradoxically, most of the international hostility is focused on Germany, with it felt their bellicose policies and ambitions are driving the crisis. This, combined with Germany's diplomatic isolation and humiliation during the 1906 Algeciras Conference has convinced Kaiser Wilhelm Austria-Hungary is Germany's sole ally and led to Germany unconditionally backing the Austro-Hungarians, further deepening the crisis.

December 1908: Though Zheng Chinese finances remain extremely poor after the Boxer and Chinese Civil Wars, Emperor Shikai stuns the world by negotiating 90 million marks {£3,919,015} worth of loans from Germany to fund an extremely ambitious naval program, ordering two dreadnoughts, four destroyers, six coastal torpedo boats and two submarines from German yards. Despite the seemingly impressive nature of the program, the two Ding Ruchang class will be the smallest and least effective dreadnoughts ever built. Only displacing 15,000 tons, they will be armed with eight 11” guns in two turrets located fore and aft, along with two wing turrets possessing limited arcs of fire. Additionally their small size results in extremely poor protection and a speed of just 17 knots, even with the use of turbine engines. However, while the dreadnoughts are little more than prestige ships, the other vessels will be far more effective warships, with the inclusion of submarines attracting considerable international attention. The also program will cause considerable alarm in the Xianfa Chinese Navy as along with the two Beijing class light cruisers ordered in 1905 nearing completion in Germany and four destroyers already delivered, it is feared it will give the Zheng a navy on a par with the Xianfa.

December 1908: Elections held after the Young Turk Revolution in the Ottoman Empire result in an assembly dominated by the Young Turk controlled Committee for Union and Progress (CUP). The new CUP government will embark on a program of reforms to modernise the Empire, though their administration will initial prove to be inefficient and disorganised, leading to factionalism and continuing unrest.

December 1908: With many now predicting the Bosnian Crisis will end with the outbreak of a general European war, the government of Charles Dilke is forced to revisit the cuts to the 1908 naval program. In a set of supplementary estimates, the fourth Colossus class dreadnought is restored, along with another battlecruiser, two additional cruisers and six further destroyers. The new Lion class battlecruiser sees a massive jump in displacement to 26,000 tons, allowing an armament of eight 13.5” guns. Greatly improved protection and a speed of 27 knots. In a separate move, the previous decision to delay the purchase of additional machine guns is reversed, with 1,000 Rexel light machine guns ordered to begin equipping the regular army, along with stocks of war reserve ammunition considerably increased as recommended in March.

December 1908: With Germany unequivocally backing Austria-Hungary or the Bosnian Crisis and fears of war growing, Russia has turned to their ally France for support. With French revaunchism and anger toward Germany, fanned by inflammatory rhetoric from the boulangists, leading to protests and near riots in Paris and other major cities, the French government of Gabriel Hantaux has now given Russia their full support. With the Austro-Hungarians steadfastly refusing Russian calls for an international conference, many now believe a general European war is imminent, causing grave concerns in both Britain and the US. Despite William Taft having been elected President in November, he will not take office until March, it falls to outgoing President Roosevelt to attempt to resolve the Crisis. In conjunction with British Prime Minister Charles Dilke, he joins with the Russians in calling for an international conference, supported by Italian and Japanese Prime Ministers Giovanni Giolitti and Saionji Kinmochi. Faced with such a united front, the Austro-Hungarians have little choice but to reluctantly agree to a conference to be held in Stockholm in May next year.
 
~Oct-Dec 1908: Trouble in the Balkans

October 1908: Expecting little international reaction, the Austro-Hungarians announce the annexation of Bosnia and Novi Pazar. However, contrary to their expectations, it sparks massive opposition, with all European Great Powers, Serbia and the Ottoman Empire expressing outrage, provoking the Bosnian Crisis. In particular, it sparks a huge surge of pan-Slavic sentiment throughout the Balkans and Russia, leading to Russia demanding an international conference to resolve the situation.

October 1908: In the five years since Alberto Santos-Dumont's first brief flight in 1903, aviation technology has greatly improved, with aircraft now capable of making reliable flights of tens of kilometres and reaching altitudes of hundreds of metres. In another aviation first, French pioneer Henri Fabre makes the first take off and landing from water with his experimental Hydravion floatplane.

October 1908: At their regular biannual security meeting in Oslo, Danish and Norwegian officials express concern at the eruption of the latest international crisis over Bosnia. It is felt such crises are becoming increasingly common and the likelihood of a European war is growing. In light of this, it is agreed to hold annual joint military exercises to show the two nations commitment to mutual security. However its also felt they must equally stress their policy of strict neutrality remains unaltered. To this end a joint communique is issued by both governments reaffirming their neutral status at the end of the meeting.

October 1908: With French backing, former Khedive Abbas of Egypt has establish a small but loyal network of supporters in Egypt drawn from a mix of nationalists, traditionalist and Islamic fundamentalists, with this last group becoming increasing important. Until now he has confined is activities to political agitation, but with the French beginning to supply weapons and explosives, he begins to include terrorist actions as well.

October 1908: The Daily Telegraph newspaper in London publishes an article presented as an interview with Kaiser Wilhelm II during a recent state visit, though in fact it is just the notes of the Kaiser's conversations with a British army officer. However before publication, the Telegraph sends the article to the Kaiser for approval, who in turn hands it to German Chancellor Bernhard von Bülow for editing. Von Bülow inexplicable passes it to the German Foreign Office, who neglect to examine it, authorising it for publication. The article includes numerous highly inflammatory remarks by the Kaiser regarding all other Great Power, particularly Britain, causing serious diplomatic embarrassment for Wilhelm and Germany, along with him losing significant influence in Germany and even calls for his abdication.

November 1908: Though he only served a partial first term, US President Roosevelt honours the well established convention by not seeking a third term. Instead he selects his friend and Secretary of War William Taft as his successor, running against left leaning Democrat William Bryan. With the issue of the Gold standard having now been long settled, Bryan runs on a platform of social reform and trust busting. However, Roosevelt's many progressive reforms have captured significant support amongst the labour movement and workers in general. The result will be convincing win for Taft, taking 29 states against Bryan's 17. Nevertheless the election shows the Democrat Party is slowly but clearly moving toward the left.

November 1908: The French military has been aware the Mle 1887 Lebel rifle and its round are obsolete for many years, with work on developing their replacements ongoing since 1894. The intention has been to develop a self loading rifle to again produce a rifle far in advance of any other. Unfortunately this project has lacked any clear focus and plagued by diffusion of effort. Thus after fifteen years, the project has little to show for the effort. With tensions in Europe now growing the need for a new rifle is now urgent, Therefore the work is streamlined, with the goal of developing a new rifle by 1913,

November 1908: Since the publication of the Casemont Report into the Congo Free state in 1903, the Congo Reform Association has been successful in keeping the issue of King Leopald's brutal administration alive throughout Europe and US, regularly publicising the atrocities being committed. With public anger of the horrors of King Leopold's regime now having reached overwhelming levels, the signatories to the 1884 Berlin Convention which defined colonial sphere's of influence in Africa are forced to intervene and end Leopold's personal rule. This however leaves the matter of the fate of the region unresolved. With European tensions at near war levels due to the Bosnian Crisis, the Great Powers are unable to agree of the disposition of the resource rich Congo basin. Eventually it is decided to transfer the basin to Belgium as a colony, with the strict proviso the previous abuses are halted and the colony's administration is reformed. The affair leaves Leopold humiliated and disgraced, particularly as the Belgium government is forced to pay 215,500,00 francs {£7,612,609}, including a 50,000,00 francs {£1,726,267} personal payment directly to Leopold from public funds.

November 1908: The Bosnian Crisis has continued to worsen, with Serbia demanding territorial concessions in the newly annexed Bosnia and Austria-Hungary responding with threats of invasion, despite their sole support coming from Germany. Paradoxically, most of the international hostility is focused on Germany, with it felt their bellicose policies and ambitions are driving the crisis. This, combined with Germany's diplomatic isolation and humiliation during the 1906 Algeciras Conference has convinced Kaiser Wilhelm Austria-Hungary is Germany's sole ally and led to Germany unconditionally backing the Austro-Hungarians, further deepening the crisis.

December 1908: Though Zheng Chinese finances remain extremely poor after the Boxer and Chinese Civil Wars, Emperor Shikai stuns the world by negotiating 90 million marks {£3,919,015} worth of loans from Germany to fund an extremely ambitious naval program, ordering two dreadnoughts, four destroyers, six coastal torpedo boats and two submarines from German yards. Despite the seemingly impressive nature of the program, the two Ding Ruchang class will be the smallest and least effective dreadnoughts ever built. Only displacing 15,000 tons, they will be armed with eight 11” guns in two turrets located fore and aft, along with two wing turrets possessing limited arcs of fire. Additionally their small size results in extremely poor protection and a speed of just 17 knots, even with the use of turbine engines. However, while the dreadnoughts are little more than prestige ships, the other vessels will be far more effective warships, with the inclusion of submarines attracting considerable international attention. The also program will cause considerable alarm in the Xianfa Chinese Navy as along with the two Beijing class light cruisers ordered in 1905 nearing completion in Germany and four destroyers already delivered, it is feared it will give the Zheng a navy on a par with the Xianfa.

December 1908: Elections held after the Young Turk Revolution in the Ottoman Empire result in an assembly dominated by the Young Turk controlled Committee for Union and Progress (CUP). The new CUP government will embark on a program of reforms to modernise the Empire, though their administration will initial prove to be inefficient and disorganised, leading to factionalism and continuing unrest.

December 1908: With many now predicting the Bosnian Crisis will end with the outbreak of a general European war, the government of Charles Dilke is forced to revisit the cuts to the 1908 naval program. In a set of supplementary estimates, the fourth Colossus class dreadnought is restored, along with another battlecruiser, two additional cruisers and six further destroyers. The new Lion class battlecruiser sees a massive jump in displacement to 26,000 tons, allowing an armament of eight 13.5” guns. Greatly improved protection and a speed of 27 knots. In a separate move, the previous decision to delay the purchase of additional machine guns is reversed, with 1,000 Rexel light machine guns ordered to begin equipping the regular army, along with stocks of war reserve ammunition considerably increased as recommended in March.

December 1908: With Germany unequivocally backing Austria-Hungary or the Bosnian Crisis and fears of war growing, Russia has turned to their ally France for support. With French revaunchism and anger toward Germany, fanned by inflammatory rhetoric from the boulangists, leading to protests and near riots in Paris and other major cities, the French government of Gabriel Hantaux has now given Russia their full support. With the Austro-Hungarians steadfastly refusing Russian calls for an international conference, many now believe a general European war is imminent, causing grave concerns in both Britain and the US. Despite William Taft having been elected President in November, he will not take office until March, it falls to outgoing President Roosevelt to attempt to resolve the Crisis. In conjunction with British Prime Minister Charles Dilke, he joins with the Russians in calling for an international conference, supported by Italian and Japanese Prime Ministers Giovanni Giolitti and Saionji Kinmochi. Faced with such a united front, the Austro-Hungarians have little choice but to reluctantly agree to a conference to be held in Stockholm in May next year.
I think it would be really interesing if somehow the ww1 is avoided , i never see that and the ramifications woud be fascinating , but i know that it is inevitable ittl ,
 
Been reading through this over the last few weeks and utterly enjoyed it. From small starts to widening ramifications and worked out very well in terms of the story. Looking forward to what comes next.
 
Despite the seemingly impressive nature of the program, the two Ding Ruchang class will be the smallest and least effective dreadnoughts ever built. Only displacing 15,000 tons, they will be armed with eight 11” guns in two turrets located fore and aft, along with two wing turrets possessing limited arcs of fire. Additionally their small size results in extremely poor protection and a speed of just 17 knots, even with the use of turbine engines.
Possibly even worse than the España class,
 
That's until good old Nick sticks his head in and runs the Russian army into the German machine gun nests. He was without of a doubt, Germany's best general.
The Russian army gets a (partially) undeserved bad rep in the Great War. The Tsar's assumption of direct control of the army in fact had little practical effect. The problem was in the entire command structure.
 
@Miss Construction , great work, and i REALLY worry for the habsburgs. Hoping for the best for Franz Joseph, Franz Ferdinand and blessed karl.
Interestingly, ITTL it'd highly likely Franz Ferdinand will survive since the war breaks out well before his OTL assassination. What effect this will have I'm not entirely sure. and in fact is impossible to even guess at. By the time he takes the throne in Nov 1916, the Great War will have been raging for over three years and the nationalist genie will in all likelihood be well and truly out of the bag. it all depends how the war goes.
 
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Interestingly, ITTL it'd highly likely Franz Ferdinand will survive since the war breaks out well before his OTL assassination. What effect this will have I'm not entirely sure. and in fact is impossible to even guess at. By the time he takes the throne in Nov 1916, the Great War will have been raging for over three years and the nationalist genie will be well and truly out of the bag. I all depends how the war goes.
Theres hope then! FF can!
 
I think it would be really interesing if somehow the ww1 is avoided , i never see that and the ramifications woud be fascinating , but i know that it is inevitable ittl ,
While some form of Great War will happen ITTL, it will be radically different. Just how different, I really can't say, there are just too many variables. It could range from something vaguely akin to a more intense Franco-Prussian War to a bloodfest which will make the OTL pale.
Now now. Just because WW1 in 1908 is avoided doesn't mean WW1 is avoided. Just delayed!
The Bosnian Crisis is an OTL event, just ITTL, it's already skipped the rails. In the OTL there was no international conference and the result was utter humiliation for Russia. ITTL, the result will apparently be more moderate, but drive tensions up higher paradoxically.
 
Been reading through this over the last few weeks and utterly enjoyed it. From small starts to widening ramifications and worked out very well in terms of the story. Looking forward to what comes next.
Thank you, the whole point of TTL is how tiny changes can slowly build into massive effects over time.
 
Possibly even worse than the España class,
Hard to say. They're very similar. The Zheng dreadnought are smaller and slower, but superior in a number of respects. Greater range and a better metacentric height making them slightly more durable. They're primarily designed to prevent to Xianfa armoured cruisers having free range to raid as they did during the Chinese Civil War, with riverine work an important consideration.
 
Navies 1908

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British Empire

Dreadnoughts

Colossus class
21,400 tons, 8 x 13.5”, 10 (20) x 4”, 12” belt, 4” deck, 21 knots Tu WT Coal
- Colossus, ordered 1908, laid down 1/1909, commissioned 1/1911
- Hercules, ordered 1908, laid down 3/1909, commissioned 4/1911
- Neptune, ordered 1908, laid down 5/1909, commissioned 5/1911
- Agamemnon, ordered 12/1908 supplemental, laid down 8/1909, commissioned 1/1912

Battlecruisers

Lion class
26,300 tons, 8 x 13.5”, 8 (16) x 4”, 2 (4) x 18” TT dk, 9” belt, 2.5” deck, 27 knots Tu WT Coal, limited belt
- Lion, ordered 12/1908 supplemental, laid down 4/1909, commissioned 12/1911

Light Cruisers

Belfast class (Town group I)
5,000 tons, 2 x 6”, 5 (10) x 4”, 1 (2) x 18” TT dk, 2” slope, 1” deck, 25 Knots Tu WT Coal
- Belfast, ordered 1908, laid down 2/1909, commissioned 10/1910
- Birmingham, ordered 1908, laid down 3/1909, commissioned 9/1910
- Cardiff, ordered 1908, laid down 4/1909, commissioned 12/1910
- Dublin, ordered 12/1908 supplemental, laid down 3/1909, commissioned 10/1910
- Glasgow, ordered 12/1908 supplemental, laid down 4/1909, commissioned 9/1910

Gloucester class (Town group Ia)
5,000 tons, 2 x 6”, 5 (10) x 4”, 1 (2) x 18” TT dk, 2” slope, 1” deck, 26 Knots Tu SW Coal
- Gloucester, ordered 1908, laid down 4/1909, commissioned 12/1910

Scout Cruisers

Calgary class (built in Canada)
3,700 tons, 5 (8) x 4”, 1 (2) x 21” TT dk, 1.5” slope, 1” deck, 25 knots Tu WT Coal
- Calgary (RCN), ordered 1908, laid down 5/1908, commissioned 6/1910

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United States

Dreadnoughts

Florida class
20,500 tons, 10 x 12", 8 (16) x 5”, 1 (2) x 21” TT uw, 11" belt, 2" deck, 20 knots TE WT Coal
- Florida, ordered 1908, laid down 3/1909, commissioned 9/1911
- Delaware, ordered 1908, laid down 3/1909 commissioned 8/1911

Light Cruisers

New Orleans class (rebuilt)
3,800 tons, 5 (8) x 5", 1 (3) x 18” TT uw 1 bow, 2” slope, 1" deck, 25 knots Tu WT Coal
- New Orleans (ex Brazilian Minas Gerais), ordered 1/1894, laid down 7/1894, purchased 10/1894, commissioned 11/1896, rebuilt 1908, begun 1/1909, recommissioned 8/1911
- Albany (ex Brazilian Sao Paulo), ordered 1/1894, laid down 9/1894, purchased 10/1894, commissioned 8/1896, rebuilt 1908, begun 1/1909, recommissioned 2/1912

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Japan

Dreadnoughts

Settsu class
21,400 tons, 10 x 12”, 5 (10) x 6”, 12” belt, 2” deck, 21 knots Tu WT Coal
- Settsu, ordered 1908, laid down 1/1909, commissioned 7/1912
- Kawachi, ordered 1908, laid down 4/1909, commissioned 3/1912

Light Cruisers

Chikuma class
5,000 tons, 5 (8) x 6”, 2 (4) x 18” TT dk, 3.5” belt, 2” deck, 26 knots Tu WT Coal
- Hirado, ordered 1908, laid down 8/1910, commissioned 1/1912
- Saru, ordered 1908, laid down 10/1910, commissioned 3/1912

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Germany

Dreadnoughts

Helgoland class
22,600 tons, 8 (12) x 12”, 7 (14) x 6”, 7 (14) x 3.5”, 2 (6) x 19.7” TT uw 1 bow 1 stn, 12” belt, 2” deck, 20 knots TE WT Coal
- Helgoland, ordered 1908, laid down 12/1908, commissioned 12/1911
- Ostfriedland, ordered 1908, laid down 10/1908, commissioned 9/1911

Battlecruisers

Molke class
22,600 tons, 10 x 11”, 6 (12) x 6”, 6 (12) x 3.5”, 1 (4) x 20” TT uw 1 bow 1 stn, 10” belt, 2” deck, 25.5 knots Tu WT Coal, limited belt
- Molke, ordered 1908, laid down 12/1908, commissioned 3/1912

Light Cruisers

Magdeburg class
4,600 tons, 6 (12) x 4", 1 (2) x 18” TT aw, 120 mines, 2" belt, 1.5" deck, 25 knots Tu WT Coal
- Magdeburg, ordered 1908, laid down 5/1910, commissioned 8/1912
- Breslau, ordered 1908, laid down 5/1910, commissioned 5/1912
- Strassburg, ordered 1908, laid down 8/1910, commissioned 10/1912
- Stralsund, ordered 1908, laid down 11/1910, commissioned 12/1912

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France

Battlecruisers

Impératrice Béatrice class
17,500 tons, 6 x 12", 8 (16) x 4” 1 (4) x 18” TT uw 1 bow 1 stn, 7" belt, 2" deck, 26 knots Tu SW Coal, unreliable machinery, limited belt
- Impératrice Béatrice, ordered 1908, laid down 6/1909, commissioned 9/1913
- Impératrice Eugénie, ordered 1908, laid down 9/1909, commissioned 2/1914

Light Cruisers

Lamotte Picquet class (Lamotte Picquet group I)
4,500 tons, 4 (5) x 5.4", 2 (4) x 18” TT dk, 2" slope, 1" deck, 27 knots Tu SW Coal, unreliable machinery
- Lamotte Picquet, ordered 1908, laid down 12/1909, commissioned 7/1912
- Charles d'Estaing, ordered 1908, laid down 4/1910, commissioned 11/1912
- Louis Guillouet, ordered 1908, laid down 10/1910, commissioned 5/1913

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Italy

Dreadnoughts

Dante Alighiere class
19,600 tons, 12 x 12”, 8 (16) x 4.7”, 5 (10) x 3”, 3 x 3” AA, 1 (3) x 18” TT uw 1 bow, 10” belt, 1.5” deck, 23 knots Tu WT Coal, secondary in turrets
- Dante Alighiere, ordered 1908, laid down 6/1909, commissioned 1/1913

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Russia

Battlecruisers

Moskva class (built in Canada)
21,000 tons, 8 x 12”, 6 (12) x 6”, 2 (4) x 18” TT dk, 8” belt, 1.5” deck, 26 knots Tu WT Coal
- Moskva, ordered 1908, laid down 11/1908, commissioned 1/1912 (Far East)
- Kiev, ordered 1908, laid down 6/1909, commissioned 5/1912 (Far East)

Light Cruisers

Almaz class
4,000 tons, 4 (6) x 4.7", 2 (4) x 18” TT uw, 100 mines, 2" belt, 1" deck, 26 knots Tu WT Coal
- Almaz, ordered 1908, laid down 3/1909, commissioned 5/1912 (Baltic)
- Yakhont, ordered 1908, laid down 5/1909, commissioned 8/1912 (Baltic)

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Other Nations

Zheng Chinese Ding Ruchang class dreadnought (built in Germany)
15,000 tons, 8 x 11", 8 (16) x 4”, 2 (4) x 18” TT uw, 8" belt, 1.5" deck, 17 knots Tu WT Coal, shallow draft, limited belt
- Ding Ruchang, ordered 1908, laid down 2/1909, commissioned 5/1912
- Liu Buchan, ordered 1908, laid down 4/1909, commissioned 12/1912

Swedish Clas Fleming class light cruiser
1,600 tons, 2 (4) x 4.7”, 100 mines, 1.5" slope, 1" deck, 20 knots Tu WT Coal
- Clas Fleming, ordered 1908, laid down 4/1911, commissioned 5/1913

Spanish Espana class dreadnought
15,700 tons, 8 x 12", 10 (20) x 4”, 8" belt, 1.5" deck, 18.5 knots Tu WT Coal, limited belt
- Espana, ordered 1908, laid down 12/1909, commissioned 10/1913
- Alfonso XIII, ordered 1908, laid down 2/1910, commissioned 8/1915
- Jamie I, ordered 1908, laid down 2/1912, commissioned 12/1917
 
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Interestingly, ITTL it'd highly likely Franz Ferdinand will survive since the war breaks out well before his OTL assassination. What effect this will have I'm not entirely sure. and in fact is impossible to even guess at. By the time he takes the throne in Nov 1916, the Great War will have been raging for over three years and the nationalist genie will in all likelihood be well and truly out of the bag. it all depends how the war goes.
As a citizen of former AH territory, I truly hope AH survives and reforms into a some sort of federation, as implausible that may be.
 
As a citizen of former AH territory, I truly hope AH survives and reforms into a some sort of federation, as implausible that may be.

I hear ya. Huge fan of the Habsburgs
It all depends on the nature of the peace after the Great War. If the war ends in a negotiated compromise peace it's likely A-H will survive at least in some form, but the more toward an Entente victory its likely at least some regions will be carved off. However in Central Powers victory its likely areas will be added.

Regardless there will be no move toward federalism during Fraz Joseph's reign or the war is over. Then it runs smack into two major issues. Firstly Franz Ferdinand's tendency toward autocracy and centralism. Secondly the Hungarians huge opposition to it. You may well see ethic uprisings if federalism fails.
 
It all depends on the nature of the peace after the Great War. If the war ends in a negotiated compromise peace it's likely A-H will survive at least in some form, but the more toward an Entente victory its likely at least some regions will be carved off. However in Central Powers victory its likely areas will be added.

Regardless there will be no move toward federalism during Fraz Joseph's reign or the war is over. Then it runs smack into two major issues. Firstly Franz Ferdinand's tendency toward autocracy and centralism. Secondly the Hungarians huge opposition to it. You may well see ethic uprisings if federalism fails.
Still holding up hope. The Habsburgs deserved better. Specially FF and Blessed karl
 
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