Miss C's Design Notes #6 – The Cutting Room Floor, part 2
Well actually got to game out a naval battle yay. The ITTL Battle of the Yalu River. It went rather worse for the Chinese than in the OTL. Of course this meant I needed ship data, resulting in another cutting room floor. This contains the details of all the ships involved plus the South American naval arms race, along with a rifle I kind of like.
Qing Navy Chao Yung class unprotected cruiser
1,400 tons, 2 x 10" BL turret, 2 (4) x 4.7” BL, 0" belt, 0.25" Steel deck, 16.5 knots SE FT Coal, low freeboard
- Chao Yung, ordered 1879, commissioned 1881, lost Sino-Japanese War
- Wang Wei, ordered 1879, commissioned 1881, lost Sino-Japanese War
Qing Navy Ting Yuen class battleship
8,000 tons, 2 (4)x 12' BL barbette, 4 (8) x 4.7' BL, 2 (4) x 14” TT, 16" Compound belt, 3" Compound deck, 15 knots SE FT Coal
- Ting Yuen, ordered 1881, commissioned 1886, lost Sino-Japanese War
- Chen Yuan, ordered 1881, commissioned 1886, lost Sino-Japanese War
Qing Navy Chi Yuan class protected cruiser
3,000 tons, 2 x 8” BL, 3 (6) x 6” BL, 2 (4) x 14” TT, 4" Compound slope, 3" Compound deck, 17 knots CE FT Coal
- Chi Yuan, ordered 1881, commissioned 1887, lost Sino-Japanese War
Qing Navy Ping Yuen class armoured cruiser
2,200 tons, 1 x 10" BL turret, 1 (2) x 6” BL, 2 (4) x 18” TT, 8" Compound belt, 2" Compound deck, 10.5 knots TE FT Coal
- Ping Yuen, ordered 1884, commissioned 1890, lost Sino-Japanese War
Qing Navy Chih Yuan class protected cruiser
2,300 tons, 2 x 8" BL, 1 (2) x 6” BL, 2 (4) x 18” TT, 4" Compound slope, 2" Compound deck, 18 knots TE FT Coal
- Chih Yuan, ordered 1885, commissioned 1887, lost Sino-Japanese War
- Ching Yuan, ordered 1885, commissioned 1887, lost Sino-Japanese War
Qing Navy King Yuan class armoured cruiser
2,900 tons, 2 x 8" BL barbette, 1 (2) x 6” BL, 2 (4) x 18” TT, 8" Compound belt, 1.5" Compound deck, 15 knots TE FT Coal
- King Yuan, ordered 1885, commissioned 1888, lost Sino-Japanese War
- Lai Yuan, ordered 1885, commissioned 1888, lost Sino-Japanese War
Qing Navy Hai Chen class battleship
18.5 knots TE FT Coal, shallow draft
- Hai Chen, ordered 1891, commissioned 1896, sold to Britain 1896
- Hai Nan, ordered 1891, commissioned 1896, sold to Britain 1896
Qing Navy Hai Tien class protected cruiser
4,300 tons, 2 x 8" BL, 5 (10) x 4.7”, 2 (5) x 18” TT, 1 bow, 3" slope, 1.5" deck, 24 knots TE WT Coal
- Hai Tien, ordered 1896, commissioned 1899
- Hai Chi, ordered 1896, commissioned 1899
Imperial Japanese Navy Kongo class battleship
2,200 tons, 2 (3) x 6.7" BL, 3 (6) x 6" BL, 1 (2) x 14” TT, 4.5" Iron belt, 0" deck, 14 knots CE FT Coal
- Kongo, ordered 1875, commissioned 1878
- Hiei, ordered 1785, commissioned 1878, lost Sino-Japanese War
Imperial Japanese Navy Naniwa class protected cruiser
3,700 tons, 2 x 10.3" BL barbette, 3 (6) x 6”, 2 (4) x 14” TT, 3" Compound slope, 2" Compound deck, 18.5 knots TE FT Coal
- Naniwa, ordered 1883, commissioned 1886
- Takachiho, ordered 1883, commissioned 1886
Imperial Japanese Navy Chiyoda class armoured cruiser
2,400 tons, 7 (10) x 4.7”, 1 (3) x 14” TT 1 fwd, 4.5" Nickel belt, 1.5" Nickel deck, 19 knots TE FT Coal
- Chiyoda, ordered 1887, commissioned 1890
Imperial Japanese Navy Matsushima class protected cruiser
4,200 tons, 1 x 12.6" BL barbette, 6 (11) x 4.7”, 2 (4) x 14” TT, 2” slope, 2" Compound deck, 16.5 knots TE FT Coal
- Matsushima, ordered 1888, commissioned 1891
- Itsukushima, ordered 1888, commissioned 1891
- Hashidate, ordered 1888, commissioned 1894
Imperial Japanese Navy Wakasa class battleship
12,200 tons, 4 x 12" BL barbette, 4 (8) x 4.7", 1 (4) x 14” TT 1 fwd, 1 stn, 18" Compound belt, 3" Compound deck, 16 knots TE FT Coal
- Wakasa, ordered 1889, commissioned 1893
- Noto, ordered 1889, commissioned 18937
Imperial Japanese Navy Akitsushima class protected cruiser
3,100 tons, 3(4) x 6”, 3 (6) x 4.7”, 2 (4) x 14” TT, 3" Nickel slope, 2" Nickel deck, 19 knots TE FT Coal
- Akitsushima, ordered 1890, commissioned 1892
Imperial Japanese Navy Yoshino class protected cruiser
4,200 tons, 3 (4) x 6”, 3 (6) x 4.7”, 2 (4) x 14” TT, 4.5" Harvey slope, 2" Harvey deck, 23 knots
- Yoshino, ordered 1891, commissioned 1893
Imperial Japanese Navy Idzumi class protected cruiser
2,900 tons, 2 x 10” BL, 3 (6) x 6” BL, 2 (5) x 15” TT 1 fwd, 1" Steel belt, 0.5" Steel deck, 18 knots TE WT Coal
- Idzumi (ex-Chilean Esmeralda), ordered 1881, commissioned 1884, purchased 1895
Imperial Japanese Navy Fuji class battleship
12,500 tons, 4 x 12", 5 (10) x 6", 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 fwd, 1, 14" Compound belt, 2.5" Compound deck, 18 knots TE FT Coal
- Fuji, ordered 1894, commissioned 189
- Yashimo, ordered 1894, commissioned 1897
Imperial Japanese Navy Suma class protected cruiser
2,700 tons, 2 x 6”, 3 (6) x 4.7”, 1 (2) x 15” TT, 2" Harvey slope, 1" Harvey deck, 20 knots TE WT Coal
- Suma, ordered 1892, commissioned 1896
- Akashi, ordered 1892, commissioned 1896
Imperial Japanese Navy Shikishima class battleship
14,800 tons, 4 x 12", 7 (14) x 6", 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 fwd, 1, 9" Harvey belt, 2.5" Harvey deck, 18 knots TE FT Coal
- Shikishima, ordered 1896, commissioned 1900
- Hatsuse, ordered 1896, commissioned 1900
Imperial Japanese Navy Asama class armoured cruiser
9,700 tons, 4 x 8”, 7 (14) x 6”, 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 stn, 7" Harvey belt, 2" Harvey deck, 21.5 knots TE FT Coal
- Asama, ordered 1896, commissioned 1899
- Tokawa, ordered 1896, commissioned 1899
Imperial Japanese Navy Takasago class protected cruiser
4,200 tons, 2 x 8”, 5 (10) x 4.7”, 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 bow, 4.5" slope, 2.5" Harvey deck, 24 knots TE WT Coal
- Takasago, ordered 1896, commissioned 1898, lost Russo-Japanese War
Imperial Japanese Navy Yakumo class armoured cruiser
9,700 tons, 4 x 8”, 6 (12) x 6”, 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 stn, 7" belt, 2" deck, 20.5 knots TE FT Coal
- Yakumo, ordered 1897, commissioned 1900
Imperial Japanese Navy Adzuma class armoured cruiser
9,300 tons, 4 x 8”, 7 (14) x 6”, 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 stn, 7" belt, 2" deck, 20 knots TE WT Coal
- Adzuma, ordered 1897, commissioned 1900
Imperial Japanese Navy Chitose class protected cruiser
4,800 tons, 2 x 8”, 5 (10) x 4.7”, 2 (4) x 18” TT, 4.5" slope, 2.5" Harvey deck, 24 knots TE WT Coal
- Chitose, ordered 1897, commissioned 1899
- Kasagi, ordered 1897, commissioned 1899
Argentine Navy Patagonia class protected cruiser
1,500 tons, 1 x 10” BL barbette, 2 (3) x 3", 1.5" Steel slope, 0.5" Steel deck, 14 knots CE FT Coal, low freeboard
- Patagonia, ordered 1884, commissioned 1887
Argentine Navy Independencia class riverine battleship
2,300 tons, 2 x 9.4” BL barbette, 2 (4) x 4.7", 1 (2) x 18” TT, 8" Steel belt, 1" Steel deck, 14 knots TE FT Coal, shallow draft
- Independencia, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889
- Libertad, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889
Argentine Navy Veinticinco De Mayo class protected cruiser
3,600 tons, 3 (4) x 6", 4 (8) x 4.7", 2 (5) x 14” TT 1 fwd, 4.5" Steel slope, 3.5" Steel deck, 22 knots TE FT Coal
- Veinticinco De Mayo, ordered 1887, commissioned 1890
- Nueve De Julio, ordered 1887, commissioned 1890
Argentine Navy Buenos Aires class protected cruiser
4,800 tons, 2 x 8", 2 (4) x 6", 3 (6) x 4.7”, 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 fwd 5" Compound slope, 1.5" Compound deck, 24 knots TE FT Coal
- Buenos Aires, ordered 1891, commissioned 1895
Argentine Navy General San Martin class armoured cruiser
6,800 tons, 2 x 8" barbette, 3 (6) x 6", 3 (6) x 4.7”, 4" Harvey belt, 1" Harvey deck, 18.5 knots TE FT Coal
- General San Martin, ordered 1891, commissioned 1896
- General Belgrano, ordered 1891, commissioned 1896
Imperial Brazilian Navy Alagoas class battleship
6,900 tons, 3 (4) x 9.4” BL turret, 4 (8) x 4.7", 2 (4) x 18” TT, 12" Steel belt, 2" Steel deck, 18 knots TE FT Coal
- Alagoas, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889, sold to Spain 1897
- Mato Groso, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889, sold to Spain 1897
Imperial Brazilian Navy Amazonas class protected cruiser
6,900 tons, 3 (4) x 9.4” BL turret, 4 (8) x 4.7", 2 (4) x 18” TT, 12" Steel belt, 2" Steel deck, 18 knots TE FT Coal
- Amazonas, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889, sold to Spain 1897
- Almirante Abreu, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889, sold to Spain 1897
Imperial Brazilian Navy Vital de Olivera class protected cruiser
4,100 tons, 8 (12) x 6", 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 fwd 0" belt, 2" Nickel deck, 19 knots TE FT Coal
- Vital de Olivera, ordered 1887, commissioned 1892
- Silvado, ordered 1887, commissioned 1892
Imperial Brazilian Navy Pedro II class armoured cruiser
8,200 tons, 5 (6) x 8" BL turrets, 6 (12) x 4", 1 (3) x 14” TT 1 fwd, 4" Nickel belt, 3" Nickel deck, 20 knots CE FT Coal
18.5 knots
- Dom Pedro II, ordered 1891, commissioned 1896
- Dona Isabel, ordered 1891, commissioned 1896
Imperial Brazilian Navy Minas Gerias class protected cruiser
3,800 tons, 3 (6) x 6", 2 (4) x 4.7", 1 (3) x 18” TT 1 fwd, 2” slope, 1" deck, 20 knots TE FT Coal
- Minas Gerias, ordered 1893, commissioned 1896, sold to US before completion
- Sao Paulo, ordered 1893, commissioned 1896, sold to US before completion
Chilean Navy Esmeralda class protected cruiser
2,900 tons, 2 x 10” BL, 3 (6) x 6” BL, 2 (5) x 15” TT 1 fwd, 1" Steel belt, 0.5" Steel deck, 18 knots TE WT Coal
- Esmeralda, ordered 1881, commissioned 1884, Sold to Japan 1894
Chilean Navy Capitain Pratt class battleship
7,200 tons, 4 x 10" BL turret, 4 (8) x 4.7", 2 (4) x 18” TT, 12" Steel belt, 2" Steel deck, 18 knots CE FT Coal
- Capitain Pratt, ordered 1885, commissioned 1888
Chilean Navy Presidente Errazuriz class protected cruiser
2,800 tons, 2 (4) x 6", 2 (4) x 4.7", 1 (3) x 14” TT 1 fwd, 2.5" slope, 1.5" Steel deck, 18 knots TE FT Coal
- Presidente Errazuriz, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889
- Presidente Pento, ordered 1886, commissioned 1889
Chilean Navy Angamos class protected cruiser
4,100 tons, 2 x 8”, 5 (10) x 6", 2 (5) x 18” TT 1 fwd 3.5 Nickel slope, 2" Nickel belt, 3.5" Nickel deck, 22 knots TE WT Coal
- Angamos, ordered 1887, commissioned 1892
- Blanco Encalada, ordered 1887, commissioned 1892
Chilean Navy O'Higgins class armoured cruiser
8,500 tons,3 (4) x 8" turrets, 5 (10) x 4", 2 (4) x 4.7”, 1 (3) x 14” TT 1 fwd, 7" Harvey belt, 3" Harvey deck, 21.5 knots TE WT Coal
- O'Higgins, ordered 1891, commissioned 1896
- Santiago, ordered 1892, commissioned 1897
June 1890: The Lebel rifle has proven unsuitable for modification into a carbine version for cavalry and other uses, therefore the Carabine de Cavalerie Modèle 1890 dit “Carabine Berthier” is introduced to replace their existing single shot Gras carbines. Using the same action as the Lebel with a shorter barrel, the Berthier fires the same 8x50mmR cartridge as the Lebel but loaded via a three round Mannlicher style en-bloc clip. The Berthier will eventually be developed into a wide range of version for different specialist and colonial troops.