Weekly Flag Challenge: Discussion & Entries

Morty Vicar

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spain, france and bavaria ?

Yes. Technically Bavaria wasn't a Kingdom, hopefully thats not a prerequisite for the challenge! However as they all subsequently come under one crown then maybe it counts.

i like how he asked in the flag thread for a backstory to his own flag XD

Its a flag challenge. There's nothing wrong with writing a convoluted saga to back it up, but the flag should stand on its own merits. This one is fairly self-explanatory and straightforward, the backstory is the war of the Spanish Succession, you can find it here. Plus every time I write anything some pedantic aholes pick it apart! :D

Speaking of which :D why Commonwealths(plural)? It would either be a commonwealth in its own right (although they'd probably choose another name to distuinguish it from the Commonwealth (of which they are still members?) Or did you mean each of the composite nations were Commonwealths, united in a larger federation of commonwealths?
 
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Yes. Technically Bavaria wasn't a Kingdom, hopefully thats not a prerequisite for the challenge! However as they all subsequently come under one crown then maybe it counts.
Well I was assuming that the 3 Kingdoms here are Castile, Aragon, and France ;)

Its a flag challenge. There's nothing wrong with writing a convoluted saga to back it up, but the flag should stand on its own merits. This one is fairly self-explanatory and straightforward, the backstory is the war of the Spanish Succession, you can find it here. Plus every time I write anything some pedantic aholes pick it apart! :D
Mwahaha! *cough* I mean we do try to make backstories more plausible :D
And note how my backstory is particularly vague as to POD ;)
Speaking of which :D why Commonwealths(plural)? It would either be a commonwealth in its own right (although they'd probably choose another name to distuinguish it from the Commonwealth (of which they are still members?) Or did you mean each of the composite nations were Commonwealths, united in a larger federation of commonwealths?
I interpreted it as the latter.
 

Morty Vicar

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Well I was assuming that the 3 Kingdoms here are Castile, Aragon, and France ;)

Sure lets go with that! :D I meant that all along of course!
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Mwahaha! *cough* I mean we do try to make backstories more plausible :D
And note how my backstory is particularly vague as to POD ;)

I don't see why mine is any less plausible than some of the others here *COUGHlikeyoursCOUGH COUGH CHOKE SPLUTTER :p but you're the boss! :D :D

I interpreted it as the latter.

Makes sense.
 
Who ever wins the poll gets to set up the new challenge.
Luckily my semester was short this term, and my kids aren't driving me as nuts, I can enter next time around.
 
Sure lets go with that! :D I meant that all along of course!
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I don't see why mine is any less plausible than some of the others here *COUGHlikeyoursCOUGH COUGH CHOKE SPLUTTER :p but you're the boss! :D :D

Thank you your highness :p

I'm still quite new to this, so bear with me :

When will the next challenge be up and running ? After the polls close ?

Who ever wins the poll gets to set up the new challenge.
Luckily my semester was short this term, and my kids aren't driving me as nuts, I can enter next time around.

Indeed. The winner of this poll will post their challenge sometime tonight or tomorrow morning once the poll closes.
 
Basically a West Africa united under native Africans, instead of the French attempting to force it to hold together before giving into balkanization.

The working POD here is that Léopold Sédar Senghor never meets and marries his second wife, Colette Hubert, who helped stabilize his erratic personality IOTL. Thus Senghor's partial political ally, partial opponent, Modibo Keïta and his pan-African African Democratic Rally (Rassemblement Démocratique Africain; RDA) party wins out over Senghor's socialist Democratic Bloc, becoming the dominant political party in French West Africa prior to decolonization. Thus the Mali Federation doesn't disintegrate in 1960 as the RDA is able to hold the balance in the Federal Assembly. With a working federal West African state as an example and a neighbor, Yaméogo's Upper Volta joined the Federation in 1962, and likewise Houphouët-Boigny was later reconciled to West African federalism, bringing the Ivory Coast into the fold in 1963. In that same year after a popular uprising ousted President Diori Niger joined the Federation.

After independence former-French Guinea, Togoland, & Dahomey chose to remain outside of the federation; though they become essentially satellites of the West Africans, which is both a blessing (evading IOTL's destiny of corruption & warlordism) and a curse (economic imperialism of Africans, by Africans).

Although many believed it would eventually collapse from either the internal pressures of managing several hundred tribal identities under the banner of Pan-Africanism, or the external pressures of trying to find a middle way throughout the Cold War, the Mali Federation continues to thrive, becoming a member of the G8+6 forum in 2005 due to its growing international prestige as a 'rising power.' Locally the Federation can, and does, exert considerable pressures on its African neighbors, both militarily and economically, and perhaps most importantly culturally; Dakar has been a leading light of democracy & human rights on the African continent since 1959.

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The Kingdom of Spain 1521-1833

Though convoluted marriage alliances in Iberia made unions of crowns fairly common, the Kingdom of Spain primarily owes its start to Vincent I King of Portugal, Earl of Cornwall, last of the House of Burgundy. His intervention in the succession of Leon & Castile following the usurption by Sancho secured the independence of Leon [1] under his grandson Ferdinand [2] the Regent of Seville; and his lack of a male heir brought Portugal under the de la Cerda claimants to Leon (and Castile) - primarily his grandson Vincent II.
Vincent II and his son's premature deaths unified Leon and Portugal for the first time since Portugal's independence in 1139.

Under the descendants of King Ferdinand de la Cerda, Leon and Portugal remained mostly in union - any separation generally lasted no more than a generation - and in 1483 Miguel II of Leon & Portugal inherited Castile through his wife Maria [3] setting off the Castile Succession War. Upon the ascension of Miguel III the Cortes of the 3 Crowns were united and in 1521, backed by the Iberian Pope Celestine, he proclaimed the Kingdom of Spain.

[1] and also, technically, Galicia - though this was only for a generation before coming under Leon
[2] Well, actually, by Treaty this went to Sancho's son Ferdinand who had married Vincent's daughter Maria, but he had only a single daughter Isabella who was denied Castile and married Ferdinand - the 2nd son of Vincent's daughter Beatrix (twin to Maria) and Alfonse de la Cerda King/Regent of Seville and claimant to Leon&Castile - thus securing Leon.
[3] technically David II of France was heir but this was opposed by Aragon-Navarre and England

The Flag

The flag is based upon the arms of the Sevillean House of La Cerda and shows the Royal Standards of Portugal, Leon, and Castile, arranged non-armorically so as not to diminish the importance of any one Crown.

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The Kingdom of Kaua'i
(alternate and still surviving Kingdom of Hawai'i)

Simply put, this comes from a TL where Kamehameha the Great died early in his life-long campaign of unifying the Kanaki of the Hawaiian islands. Prior to that, James Cook never made a second landing on the islands in early 1779 and the islands went under the radar of Europeans for a few years longer than in OTL. Before the end of the 18th century, the French colonised the southern islands, with the British following suit. Thus, the Sandwich (OTL Hawaiian) islands were separated into two different national colonies. The French backed the Hawaiian chieftain dynasties, the British eventually sided with Kauai'an rulers. The French put down a southern Kanaki revolt in the late 1840s and marginalized the natives' political power, the Brits and northern Kanaki had better luck and House Kaua'i gradually took control over the entire English-speaking part of the islands. Due to problems at home, the French had to give up some of the harder managable colonies (well, make a deal wit the Brits about swaping some). Thus, the southern portion went into British hands as well, and with the local southern aristocracy nearly gone, House Kaua'i had little trouble uniting the entire archipelago.

Thus, the Kingdom of Kaua'i was established in 1892. It later gained autonomy in 1927 and full independence in the early 60s.

And since many of you have complained about the lack of deeper backstory, I'll post the whole mini TL behind this in the following post.

Some explanation behind the symbolism in the flag :
Blue means sea, green means Hawaian vegetation (especially the lush Kauaian one). The leaf fan at the center and the war paddles by its sides are traditional in Polynesian heraldry and were used on an early unofficial OTL flag of the Hawaian monarchy. The central figure is the mahiole (headdress/crown) of king Kaumualii, the most famous member of House Kaua'i, the founder of the unification effort spearheaded by the British-favoured Kaua'ian Kanaki. To the right is the cloak of the young Hawa'ian ruler Kīwala’ō, who defeated Kamehameha ITTL (it was the opposite OTL), securing him the rights to rule over Hawa'i. (The French showed up a year or two later and he started working on trading and allying with them, putting the conquest north of Mau'i aside for a few years - unfortunately, the Brits took the northern islands by then...) The presence of the cloak near the mahiole is supposed to symbolize the dynastic and ethnic bond established by bringing the Hawai'i and Kaua'i dynasties together during the founding of the kingdom in 1892. The star is also symbolic of the union - the eight points representing the eight main islands of the archipelago.

Incidentally, before unification and during British rule, the Kaua'ians used a flag with a blue background, a British flag in the canton and the Kaua'ian mahiole to the right of the canton, on the aforementioned blue field.

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Morty Vicar

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Where is the challenge anyway?! I'm srsly confused by all the flag threads!! :confused::confused: :D

EDIT: ignore that, found it! :)
 
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