Twilight of the Red Tsar

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This makes me wonder how big is the participation of central asians on the soviet army....And how they are treated too, because the soviets at this point must be conscripting hundreds of thousands of turkic peoples in the army, but are those people being used just as cannon fodder or as regular army units?
The number of Central Asian in the Soviet Army has been greatly increased. This is actually pretty worrying for the Soviets, since one of their big fears IOTL was the "yellowing" of the army and the nation. The Central Asians (and for that matter Tartars, Bashkirs, etc.) aren't used as cannon fodder, but there's a clear bias against them when it comes to promotions, getting better duties, etc.
How many Russians and other people have fled Russia to escape the ongoing civil war, besides the Soviet Jews? Will they be compared to the White emigres that fled Russia after the Communist Revolution? And how welcoming will neighboring nations be to these panicked migrants?
That's part of the next update. For now let's just say that it's Europe's version of the Chinese Refugee Crisis (or an earlier version of the current refugee crisis if you look at things from an OTL standpoint).
 
That's part of the next update. For now let's just say that it's Europe's version of the Chinese Refugee Crisis (or an earlier version of the current refugee crisis if you look at things from an OTL standpoint).

It is bitterly ironic that the people who once triumphed in the Second World War and controlled a superpower are now refugees and pariahs, and it all happened within a generation.
 
It is bitterly ironic that the people who once triumphed in the Second World War and controlled a superpower are now refugees and pariahs, and it all happened within a generation.
Doesn't sound ironic to me. If they won WW2 for the sake of preventing a refugee crisis, then this would be an ironic situation, because the people who tried to prevent a refugee crisis are now refugees themselves.

But they didn't, so it's less ironic and more just a sad coincidence.
 
Doesn't sound ironic to me. If they won WW2 for the sake of preventing a refugee crisis, then this would be an ironic situation, because the people who tried to prevent a refugee crisis are now refugees themselves.

But they didn't, so it's less ironic and more just a sad coincidence.


(sigh)

I thought I understood the meaning of irony. I guess the life of Soviet refugees could be a "how the mighty has fallen" kind of thing, rather than a cruel irony.

Okay, here is something that could be ironic: Soviet refugees fleeing en masse to Germany, the nation that a generation ago had been dedicated to their extermination. In fact, many of the refugees are people who fought or grew up during the Second World War, and who remember the horrors the Germans unleashed on them.
 
The World Reacts
The World Reacts

Excerpt from The Soviet Civil War by Joshua Reddings​

From the very start of the war the West was strongly on the side of the CNS. A mere 5 days after the August Revolution President Knowland promised “We stand with the anti-Soviet Russians and promise to provide them with anything they need. At long last our crusade against Soviet Communism is nearing its end, and we shall see it through to the finish.” Congress quickly passed the Jackson-Goldwater Act[1], more commonly known as the Second Lend-Lease. Like the First Lend-Lease this act allowed America to send war materials and weapons to the CNS. The biggest problem with the Second Lend-Lease was that the aid didn’t come fast enough. It took until August of 1968 for the program to reach its full effect, which meant that the rebels were outmatched in early battles such as the Moscow Offensive. Knowland would later call the Second Lend-Lease’s failure to get up and running quickly “the greatest failure of my Presidency.”

More important than weapons was food. Unfortunately for the rebels most of the agricultural land in the Soviet Union was in the hands of the regime, which meant that the rebels didn’t have nearly enough food to supply all of their people. The situation was so bad that for the first year or so of the war famine, not the Soviets, was the main concern of the CNS. As Kashnikov put it “The people may want freedom in their hearts, but when you get down to it they’ll always listen to their stomachs.” Luckily the Americans had plenty of food they could export. One of the American’s biggest food exports was a crop that most Russians didn’t eat: corn. Corn production had never really taken off in the Soviet Union[2], but in the American Midwest corn was a huge crop. Corn quickly established itself in the Russian diet, to the point where in some areas corn beer replaced vodka as the drink of choice (at least for the duration of the war).

Of course, the Americans weren’t the only country to aid the rebels. Many European nations also contributed to the war effort. In fact, rebel forces preferred the French FN FAL over the American M16, which had a tendency to jam. Even the Chinese sent a limited amount of aid, less out of an interest in democracy and more to get back at the Soviets for the Sino-Soviet War. But the nation which intervened the most in the conflict, oddly enough, was Romania. Although one might think this was done as payback for what had happened under the Iron Curtain it was in fact carried out because of Moldova. There was a strong irredentist movement in Romania that wanted to retake Moldova, much of which had been part of Romania before the Soviets seized it in 1940. Many Moldovans also wanted to rejoin Romania, with a pan-Romanian movement becoming very popular after the August Revolution. While Romania never declared war on the Soviet Union it allowed many Romanians to join the Moldovan National Army. By the war’s end a good 15% of the MNA’s forces were Romanian volunteers.


Excerpt from The White Emigres by Marlene Laruelle​

For the White Émigré community, the August Revolution gave a newfound hope. For many this was simply a chance to return home. As Alexander Kerensky put it “My one wish is to be buried on Russian soil.” For others, mostly on the younger end of the spectrum, it was a call to arms against the Soviet regime. Perhaps the most famous of these groups was the National Alliance of Russian Solidarists (NTS). The NTS had been founded before World War II with the goal of starting a revolution to overthrow the Soviet Union. After the August Revolution the group relocated from Frankfurt to St. Petersburg, and began trying to build their party into a political force. While this effort largely failed the NTS was able to influence the direction of a number of small Russian political parties, the most notable of which was the far-right Svoboda. The NTS was also able to organize a small band of emigres (around 500 men) into a military unit, which would end up serving in Latvia. All in all however the Whites’ contribution to the rebels’ military effort was minimal.


Excerpt from The Refugee Crisis by Abraham Voloda​

The Soviet Civil War would displace 40-50 million people. Of these roughly 8 million would flee abroad, creating the largest refugee crisis Europe had seen since the end of World War II. The majority of the refugees came from western or southern Russia, the Baltic States, Ukraine, and Belarus. The most common route to Europe was either overland or crossing the Baltic and Black Seas in small boats (many of which sank). The nations of Eastern Europe would end up playing host to most of these refugees. Unsurprisingly the refugees were quite unwelcome, given the history between Russia and Eastern Europe, as well as the fact that most of Eastern Europe was still rebuilding from their independence wars against the Soviets. Nowhere was this truer than in Poland, which saw around 3 million refugees pass through it. In November 1967 the Polish government passed a law restricting refugees to specially built camps, and giving criminal penalties for those who tried to settle in Polish cities. While these were nowhere near the death camps that Russian nationalists would later portray them to be, conditions in the camps were poor. There was severe overcrowding, and since there wasn’t a lot to do or ways to make money crime was endemic. Men in the camps were also investigated to see if they had served in Poland during the Soviet occupation. Those who had were classified as war criminals and sent to prison, and sloppy investigations meant that many were wrongfully imprisoned. But even in these harsh conditions refugees kept coming, and by October 1968 there were 2.5 million refugees in Poland. To reduce these numbers, the Polish government disbanded several of the larger camps and ordered 700,000 refugees to leave the country. Many fled to Germany, greatly increasing Polish-German tensions.

At the beginning of 1969 the European countries met in Schengen, Luxembourg to discuss refugee policy. By this point the refugees had flooded Eastern Europe, and those countries demanded that Western Europe take around 3.5 million refugees. After some negotiation it was agreed that Western Europe would take around 2.5 million refugees, a compromise that left no one happy. However, problems soon emerged. First, the regime of Francisco Franco in Spain refused to accept any refugees, and the Swiss soon followed suit. The Schengen Agreement quickly fell apart, leaving Eastern Europe with millions of refugees and little way to support them. The rise of the far-right in Eastern Europe can be directly traced back to the refugee crisis.

[1] Named after Senators Henry "Scoop" Jackson and Barry Goldwater
[2] Corn production in Russia really took off under Khrushchev (who was obsessed with the crop). With Khrushchev having been purged there's no one to advocate for corn.
 
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The World Reacts

Excerpt from The Soviet Civil War by Joshua Reddings​

More important than weapons was food. Unfortunately for the rebels most of the agricultural land in the Soviet Union was in the hands of the regime, which meant that the rebels didn’t have nearly enough food to supply all of their people. The situation was so bad that for the first year or so of the war famine, not the Soviets, was the main concern of the CNS. As Kashnikov put it “The people may want freedom in their hearts, but when you get down to it they’ll always listen to their stomachs.” Luckily the Americans had plenty of food they could export. One of the American’s biggest food exports was a crop that most Russians didn’t eat: corn. Corn production had never really taken off in the Soviet Union[2], but in the American Midwest corn was a huge crop. Corn quickly established itself in the Russian diet, to the point where in some areas corn beer replaced vodka as the drink of choice (at least for the duration of the war).

Wartime can often change the diet of a country. Carrot cake, for example, became incredibly popular during World War II due to the demands of wartime rationing. So I bet there going to be lot of delicious corn based dishes in the New Russia.

Of course, the Americans weren’t the only country to aid the rebels. Many European nations also contributed to the war effort. In fact, rebel forces preferred the French FN FAL over the American M16, which had a tendency to jam. Even the Chinese sent a limited amount of aid, less out of an interest in democracy and more to get back at the Soviets for the Sino-Soviet War. But the nation which intervened the most in the conflict, oddly enough, was Romania. Although one might think this was done as payback for what had happened under the Iron Curtain it was in fact carried out because of Moldova. There was a strong irredentist movement in Romania that wanted to retake Moldova, much of which had been part of Romania before the Soviets seized it in 1940. Many Moldovans also wanted to rejoin Romania, with a pan-Romanian movement becoming very popular after the August Revolution. While Romania never declared war on the Soviet Union it allowed many Romanians to join the Moldovan National Army. By the war’s end a good 15% of the MNA’s forces were Romanian volunteers.

That reminds me of this wonderful Polandball comic:

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1968:

Romania: Soviet bastard gib back clay! Romania can into vengeance!


Excerpt from The White Emigres by Marlene Laruelle
For the White Émigré community, the August Revolution gave a newfound hope. For many this was simply a chance to return home. As Alexander Kerensky put it “My one wish is to be buried on Russian soil.” For others, mostly on the younger end of the spectrum, it was a call to arms against the Soviet regime. Perhaps the most famous of these groups was the National Alliance of Russian Solidarists (NTS). The NTS had been founded before World War II with the goal of starting a revolution to overthrow the Soviet Union. After the August Revolution the group relocated from Frankfurt to St. Petersburg, and began trying to build their party into a political force. While this effort largely failed the NTS was able to influence the direction of a number of small Russian political parties, the most notable of which was the far-right Svoboda. The NTS was also able to organize a small band of emigres (around 500 men) into a military unit, which would end up serving in Latvia. All in all however the Whites’ contribution to the rebels’ military effort was minimal.

What does the CNS think of Kerensky? As an inspiration for what Russia could have been, or a failure not to be admired?


Excerpt from The Refugee Crisis by Abraham Voloda
The Soviet Civil War would displace 40-50 million people. Of these roughly 8 million would flee abroad, creating the largest refugee crisis Europe had seen since the end of World War II. The majority of the refugees came from western or southern Russia, the Baltic States, Ukraine, and Belarus. The most common route to Europe was either overland or crossing the Baltic and Black Seas in small boats (many of which sank). The nations of Eastern Europe would end up playing host to most of these refugees. Unsurprisingly the refugees were quite unwelcome, given the history between Russia and Eastern Europe, as well as the fact that most of Eastern Europe was still rebuilding from their independence wars against the Soviets. Nowhere was this truer than in Poland, which saw around 3 million refugees pass through it. In November 1967 the Polish government passed a law restricting refugees to specially built camps, and giving criminal penalties for those who tried to settle in Polish cities. While these were nowhere near the death camps that Russian nationalists would later portray them to be, conditions in the camps were poor. There was severe overcrowding, and since there wasn’t a lot to do or ways to make money crime was endemic. Men in the camps were also investigated to see if they had served in Poland during the Soviet occupation. Those who had were classified as war criminals and sent to prison, and sloppy investigations meant that many were wrongfully imprisoned. But even in these harsh conditions refugees kept coming, and by October 1968 there were 2.5 million refugees in Poland. To reduce these numbers, the Polish government disbanded several of the larger camps and ordered 700,000 refugees to leave the country. Many fled to Germany, greatly increasing Polish-German tensions.

50 million displaced people? The Soviets take "a million is a statistic" a little too seriously, don't they?

How many refugees, besides the Soviet Jews, are America and Canada taking in?

At the beginning of 1969 the European countries met in Schengen, Luxembourg to discuss refugee policy. By this point the refugees had flooded Eastern Europe, and those countries demanded that Western Europe take around 3.5 million refugees. After some negotiation it was agreed that Western Europe would take around 2 million refugees, a compromise that left no one happy. However, problems soon emerged. First, the regimes of Franco in Spain and Salazar in Portugal refused to accept any refugees, and the Swiss soon followed suit. The Schengen Agreement quickly fell apart, leaving Eastern Europe with millions of refugees and little way to support them. The rise of the far-right in Eastern Europe can be directly traced back to the refugee crisis.

[1] Named after Senators Henry "Scoop" Jackson and Barry Goldwater
[2] Corn production in Russia really took off under Khrushchev (who was obsessed with the crop). With Khrushchev having been purged there's no one to advocate for corn.

The rise of the far-right? Are we talking Holocaust denying, swastika wearing, white power loons? Wouldn't that be horrific? For the extreme-left to be replaced with the extreme-right in Eastern Europe.
 
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The rise of the far-right? Are we talking Holocaust denying, swastika wearing, white power loons? Wouldn't that be horrific? For the extreme-left to be replaced with the extreme-right in Eastern Europe.
Maybe, but for all I know the line might be a dig of sorts towards current day politics in Europe regarding some rightwing groups and the OTL refugee crisis.
 
Corn production had never really taken off in the Soviet Union[2], but in the American Midwest corn was a huge crop. Corn quickly established itself in the Russian diet, to the point where in some areas corn beer replaced vodka as the drink of choice (at least for the duration of the war).

I hope pellagre will not devastate too much the affected regions.

But the nation which intervened the most in the conflict, oddly enough, was Romania. Although one might think this was done as payback for what had happened under the Iron Curtain it was in fact carried out because of Moldova. There was a strong irredentist movement in Romania that wanted to retake Moldova, much of which had been part of Romania before the Soviets seized it in 1940. Many Moldovans also wanted to rejoin Romania, with a pan-Romanian movement becoming very popular after the August Revolution. While Romania never declared war on the Soviet Union it allowed many Romanians to join the Moldovan National Army. By the war’s end a good 15% of the MNA’s forces were Romanian volunteers.

Might Moldova join Romania after the Second Russian Civil War?

Other interested states could be Finland (Karelia), China (Tannu Tuva) and maybe even Japan and Germany.

While this effort largely failed the NTS was able to influence the direction of a number of small Russian political parties, the most notable of which was the far-right Svoboda. The NTS was also able to organize a small band of emigres (around 500 men) into a military unit, which would end up serving in Latvia. All in all however the Whites’ contribution to the rebels’ military effort was minimal.

It might be interesting to know the NTS took not only ethnic Russians but also all those nations living in Russia, which could reduce chauvinism in the Russian far-right.

This, along with their declared accent on individual rights, might help to sanitize the political debate.

Likewise, their "indeterminationism" might help to attract both republicans and the few remaining monarchists.

While these were nowhere near the death camps that Russian nationalists would later portray them to be, conditions in the camps were poor.

Polish-Russian relationship will not be warm, to say the least.

At the beginning of 1969 the European countries met in Schengen, Luxembourg to discuss refugee policy. By this point the refugees had flooded Eastern Europe, and those countries demanded that Western Europe take around 3.5 million refugees. After some negotiation it was agreed that Western Europe would take around 2 million refugees, a compromise that left no one happy. However, problems soon emerged. First, the regimes of Franco in Spain and Salazar in Portugal refused to accept any refugees, and the Swiss soon followed suit. The Schengen Agreement quickly fell apart, leaving Eastern Europe with millions of refugees and little way to support them. The rise of the far-right in Eastern Europe can be directly traced back to the refugee crisis.

I would have thought Salazar would have screened out potential settlers for his colonies.
 
Did Salazar support mostly Portuguese immigration to Angola and Mozambique?

Yeah that was his preference, but not enough Portuguese moved there. Here he has access to a potential bonanza of desperate, white, vehemently anti-Communist refugees who would give anything to resettle somewhere better/safe than what Russia and Eastern Europe has become. A one-way ticket to the Tropics out of the zone of tactical nuclear strikes and hellish refugee camps, your family gets free housing, schooling, healthcare, jobs and cash supplements, and in return you may have to nominally convert to Catholicism and take a Portuguese name, enlist for 5-10 years service in special colonial militias of the Portuguese Army dedicated to fighting the Overseas War, and essentially become a cog in enforcing white supremacy and colonialist rule in Africa. Unfortunately, the vast majority of refugees streaming out of the destroyed Soviet Union would jump at that chance - bonus points if the Salazar regime tells them that their soon-to-be African guerrilla enemies are indeed "communists". In return, Portugal gets to hold onto its overseas empire forever - Salazar's wet dream come true.
 
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The rise of the far-right in Eastern Europe can be directly traced back to the refugee crisis.
Wouldn't the memory of Nazism and Fascism be very present in everyone's mind to dissuade that?
Did Salazar support mostly Portuguese immigration to Angola and Mozambique?
Yeah that was his preference, but not enough Portuguese moved there. Here he has access to a potential bonanza of desperate, white, vehemently anti-Communist refugees who would give anything to resettle somewhere better/safe than what Russia and Eastern Europe has become. A one-way ticket to the Tropics out of the zone of tactical nuclear strikes and hellish refugee camps, your family gets free housing, schooling, healthcare, jobs and cash supplements, and in return you may have to nominally convert to Catholicism and take a Portuguese name, enlist for 5-10 years service in special colonial militias of the Portuguese Army dedicated to fighting the Overseas War, and essentially become a cog in enforcing white supremacy and colonialist rule in Africa. Unfortunately, the vast majority of refugees streaming out of the destroyed Soviet Union would jump at that chance - bonus points if the Salazar regime tells them that their soon-to-be African guerrilla enemies are indeed "communists". In return, Portugal gets to hold onto its overseas empire forever - Salazar's wet dream come true.
Salazar only started accepting Portuguese immigrants in large numbers to the colonies in the 60's, with colonial wars already happening, so he could accept a few refugees.
There wouldn't be resources for things like social support, they would have to start on their own, and Salazar would be weary of accepting so many people in the colonies and risking "destabilizing" them (having ideas about independence or democracy, or both).
 
I hadn't thought about Portugal's African situation. I'll change things, and next update will concern Russians in Africa.
There's also Rhodesia, South Africa and Spanish Sahara.


Another irony: seeing the people brought up to denounce the racist Westerners taking the cheese offered by...the most racist Westerners imaginable.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the former Soviet (I don't think all of them are Russian) settlers are more devoted in stamping out black rebels than the Portuguese (and Rhodesians and South Africans, if you choose to include them) themselves. Having lost everything to a violent civil war, these Soviet settlers would be very hostile to native Africans, who they believe would take away what they've built in their new lives.

Again, this only underscores how the Soviet image of "universal brotherhood" is a crock, and how its people are no less mean and racist than anybody else.
 
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