It is indeed very slow, and I can't edit it. Thanks anyway, though. I don't have convenient access to Excel all the time, so I was hoping a Google Sheets version would work.
TOASTER Sun and Moon [The One All-encompassing Scheme To Eternally Rule]
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Should I show you a first draft - not with all ideologies at all - of my ideologies scheme?
To give space for althist:
- Variable interventionality ("i want an anarchic commune for my city", "i want anarchic communes for the WHOLE WORLD")
- Mensheviks
- Multi-corporatostate
- Confederations (1-3 per major section?)
- Feudalism-y governments
Hm. Always thought that Trotsky was more a futurist bolshevik, if I recall Trotsky still wanted global revolution...
I'm willing to compile every single suggestion that has yet to be added into one big list. Any ideas on how I should organize it? So far i'm on page 2 of this thread, i'll post a pastebin link once its done.
Also we need to discuss which colors should be used for Native American tribes. Should we use the secondary US/Canadian state colors or just the original TACOS/X2 colors (mix of both primary and secondary)?
Also we need to discuss which colors should be used for Native American tribes. Should we use the secondary US/Canadian state colors or just the original TACOS/X2 colors (mix of both primary and secondary)?
The differences:
Liberal Bourgoisie: Mensheviks were willing to work with them towards the greater good of defeating the far-right groups. Bolsheviks considered them in the same light as dyed-in-the-wool fascists.
War Communism: This was the bolshevik policy of enforced nationalisation of pretty much everything for the duration of the revolution (in theory just the period in which the old government was being removed; in practice, much longer). The mensheviks opposed it; their preferred policy involved nationalising only those industries necessary for war production and for food production.
Internationalisation: The Mensheviks were fully in favour of exporting communism to all countries. The Bolsheviks wanted to solidify communism within the USSR first.
Both were incredibly socialist; it would be a bit of an insult to call either any kind of fascist.
That is something very much new to me! I always judged the White Army to be much more right wing (i.e. nationalist) than the Red one already was, sorry for insulting the Mensheviki!
This would probably come under "good authoritarian" or even "democratic communism", but I (or you) can also create a separate colour for Mensheviki/Menshevism if you want! I am for as many colours as are sensible, not for restricting!
And @BainTheCool : That is a good idea!
The White Army were not the Mensheviks. There were multiple white army factions. Some wanted to restore the tsar. Some wanted to place a tsarist-era noble on the throne. Some wanted to promote a military general (usually the one commanding that particular army) to leadership. All were essentially reactionary groups. Some were actively supported by one or more of the western European monarchies. However, despite being on the political right, none would be fascists as Mussolini would have defined the term.
There were also anarchist factions in the mix. That war was... complicated.
Then maybe the "White Army" (or some groups of it) could indeed have become fascists or ultra-nationalists, but who were the "Mensheviki" then? Parts of the Red Army? Wasn't there a "Green Army" involved?
At the time of the revolutions, the mensheviks mostly fought alongside the bolsheviks (their differences were mostly expressed in high-level politics rather than large-scale warfare). The green army was the name given to certain groups of anarchists (essentially, the green armies were anarchist organised at a local level only, and were mostly agrarian communities that wanted you and him to fight somewhere else and leave them the hell alone).
The White armies were mostly traditional monarchists, with a minority group that could best be characterised as "opportunistic warlordism". Their overall character was nationalist, reactionary (by which I mean that they were a conservative response to changing politics; this is not meant to be a euphemism for "fascist"), anti-semetic (as was much of Europe anyway at the time; this was bad, but not markedly different even from the UK of the time), and pro-autocracy.
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I second this, also for community consideration maybe including some more ASB type ideologies? e.i. mageocracy, hivemind, singularity...
For more real ideas, perhaps adding a Blanquism color to the communist section, a separate color for noble republics, and elective monarchies.
I included a possibility to colour states according to their sustainability!
Ideology Colour Scheme
This is all I could think of. If any ideologies are missing, please tell me.
oh god what happened
just use base lithuania
also: sa, congrats on becoming the new official ideology companion scheme
and ashtagon holy heck
y'all've motivated me to work on toaster again thx
just use base lithuania
also: sa, congrats on becoming the new official ideology companion scheme
and ashtagon holy heck
y'all've motivated me to work on toaster again thx