TOASTER Sun and Moon [The One All-encompassing Scheme To Eternally Rule]

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by XO Mapping, Nov 1, 2016.

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Should the Poland and Latvia colours be switched?

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  3. Pls

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  1. XO Mapping High quality toast

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    @Aquagel8last320 has passed the torch onto me. It has begun.

    11-01-16: Alola!
    -ownership passed on to xo
    -split off europe
    -did some names
    -fixed germany
    -added carribean and oceanian things i made before
    -better argentina
    02-11-16: OOPS FLAME WAR
    -Moon symbols
    -Small fixes
    -Added religion
    05-11-16: Space
    -Fixed religion's title banner
    -Alola
    -Expanded Space section
    -Poland, In Space! moved to Eastern Europe as ASB/Wanked Poland/Polish Space Empire
    -Continental unions in America
    -Dalmatia, Cabinda
    -Scandinavian USA
    -Karakalpakstan
    -Secondary Peru
    -India disclaimer
    -Fixed Rajastan
    Soon-ish?: The Update That Got Shit Done, Was Released in 2017, Was Procrastinated On, And In General Was An Okay Update (Tuthgs-Dwarit-Wapoaigwaou)
    -literally all the suggestions
    -remaining TCC members

    TOASTER Sun and Moon

    • -West Europe-
    • *Colors for the other Spanish states
    • **Other Spanish influenced North Africa, Ceuta, Melilla
    • *Monarchist France
    • *Some more French states
    • *Some more Italian states
    • *Add labels/colors for Austrian Imperial lands (Discussion needed)
    • **Illyria
    • **Carniola (Slovenia)
    • **Tertiary Croatia, Istria, Austrian Littoral
    • **Galicia and Lodomeria (seperate from West Ukraine)
    • **Slavonia (Add to Croatia?)
    • *Change the Alsace color (Same as EU)
    • *Ancient/Pagan Germany (add to Saxe-Altenburg)
    • *Fix Trieste's lighter colors as they are identical
    • *Add Basque to Navarre

    • -East Europe-
    • *Nakchivan, Secondary Azeri State
    • *Specify the "Other Non-slavic SE Europeans" colors
    • **Germanic SE European state, Gepids
    • **Romance/Byzantine influenced SE Europe, Secondary Romania
    • **Other Non-Slavic SE European state
    • *Mount Athos/Other Eastern European Theocracy
    • *Anarchist/Syndicalist/Collectivist Russian factions (153,51,51/#993333)
    • *Add Circassia to Adygea
    • *Add Masovia to Secondary Poland

    • -Africa-
    • *Azores
    • *More South African colors (Repurpose some Bantu colors?)
    • *Other large pre-colonial African states
    • *Barotseland/Secondary Zambia
    • *Secondary and Tertiary Ethiopia
    • *Secondary and Tertiary Nigeria
    • *Change Nubian colors
    • **Blue-Nile State, Primary/Lower Nubia, Kush, Nobatia
    • **Secondary Nubia, Makuria
    • **Sudan, Tertiary/Upper Nubia, Alodia
    • *Add Dervish State to Somaliland
    • *Add Azawad to Secondary Mali
    • *Puntland and Ogaden

    • -Arabia-
    • *Assyria, Secondary Iraq
    • *UAE states
    • *Secondary Palestine
    • *Secondary/Tertiary Iran
    • *Colors for each Kurdistan (Repurpose new Iran colors)
    • *Add Judea to Secondary Jewish State

    • -Asia-
    • *Some Indonesian states
    • *A few more Burmese colors
    • *Malaysian states
    • *Secondary/Tertiary Philippine colors
    • **Add Luzon to Philippines
    • **Add Visayas to Secondary Philippines
    • **Mindanao/Muslim Philippines (Tertiary Philippines)
    • *Sinified Russia
    • *SW Korean State, Baekje
    • *Add Badakhshan to Secondary Afghanistan
    • *Add Dynastical China to ASB/Wanked China
    • *More Japan colors (see Valdore's post on page 24)
    • *Add Luang Prabang to Laos
    • *Add Vientiane and Lan Xang to Lao Empire
    • *Add Champasak to Secondary Lao

    • -India-
    • *Some of the more important princely states
    • *Telangana

    • -Oceania-
    • *Colors for the 4 Micronesian states
    • *Bougainville
    • *Secondary Fiji/Rotuma

    • -North America-
    • *Add Native American tribes to existing state colors (This needs a lot of discussion!)
    • *Re-order the American states as some of them are not in their correct regions
    • *German US (Pennsylvania?)
    • *Cascadia (One of the existing West Coast colors)

    • -South America-
    • *Fascist and Communist Brazil on existing colors
    • *United South Region (add to Rio Grande do Sul?)

    • -Other-
    • *Ideology colors
    • *Other type of "water" bodies (rivers, magma, oil, etc.)
    • *Demilitarized zone
    • *Colors for city maps/transportation (roads, rails, etc.)
    • A bunch of people for making UCS, ARCS, and RCS
    • General @oshron of the Alien Space Bat Corps for making TACOS
    • Borgarstjórin @Ashtagon of Tórshavn for making X2 and inspiring Aqua to create this
    • Kaiser @HatKirby des Heiliges Römisches Reich for giving me, like, a lot of ideas
    • Huehuetlatoani @Tangle of Tlacopan for updating TOASTER Sun
    • Queen @Aquagel8last320 of England for making TOASTER in the first place
    • Spisak predsednika @DPKdebator of Yugoslavia for this bonkers balkanized USA
    • Presedintele Consiliului de Miniștri @BainTheCool Republicii Socialiste România for doing the "Other" section of TOASTER Sun, and the Ditto update
    • Prime Minister of Iceland @SaveAtlacamani for providing several ideas
    • Pope @black_0 for providing more religion colours
    • High Priest @CannedTech for supporting TOASTER all the way
    • Captain @3DBEANIE of the HMS Maplesyrup for making an insane worldwide TOASTER map (wip, so no link)
    • Smogon and Game Freak for the Pokémon sprites
     
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  2. Tanystropheus42 Well-Known Member

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    Can I make a few suggestions?

    - States of Micronesia (there are only four of them, shouldn't be too hard)
    - Regions of Indonesia
    - Provinces of South Africa
    - A few large precolonial African states
    - More colours for Mars and Venus
    - Atlantic island states (Azores/Canary islands etc)
    - Dalmatia
    - Bougainville (referendum pending)
    - Cabinda
    - Puntland (tertiary Somali state)
    - Barotseland
    - maybe some miscellaneous colours at the end?

    Also, this link might be useful

    http://www.mherrera.org/newcountries.htm
     
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  3. HatKirby Well-Known Member

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    Existing counterparts in italics. Some may not have an exact analogue (or any analogue) in the current scheme. Those will be marked with an asterisk. Subdivisions that have a corresponding color but I believe should have their own will be marked with a double asterisk.
    • Arkhangelsk Gov. - Arkhangelsk Obl.
    • Astrakhan Gov. - Astrakhan Obl.
    • Baku Gov. - Azerbaijan
    • Bessarabia Gov. - Moldova** (Bessarabia)
    • Chernigov Gov. - Chernihiv Obl.
    • Black Sea Gov. - Krasnodar Kr.*
    • Grodno Gov.* (Tertiary Lithuania)
    • Elisabethpol Gov. - Secondary Armenia** (Add Nagorno-Karabakh to description)
    • Erivan Gov. - Armenia
    • Irkutsk Gov. - Irkutsk Obl.
    • Kazan Gov. - Tartarstan Rep.
    • Kaluga Gov. - Kaluga Obl.
    • Kiev Gov. - Kiev
    • Kharkov Gov.*
    • Kherson Gov.*
    • Kholm Gov.*
    • Kovno Gov. - Lithuania*
    • Kostroma Gov. - Kostroma Obl.
    • Kursk Gov. - Kursk Obl.
    • Kutaisi Gov.* (Secondary Georgia)
    • Minsk Gov. - Belarus
    • Mogilev Gov.* (Secondary Belarus)
    • Moscow Gov. - Moscow Obl.
    • Nizhny Novgorod Gov. - Nizhny Novgorod Obl.
    • Novgorod Gov. - Novgorod Obl.
    • Novorossiya Gov. - Novorossiya*
    • Olonets Gov. - Karelia Rep.
    • Orenburg Gov. - Orenburg Obl.
    • Oryol Gov. - Oryol Obl.
    • Penza Gov. - Penza Obl.
    • Perm Gov. - Perm Obl.
    • St. Petersburg Gov. - St. Petersburg
    • Podolia Gov.*
    • Poltava Gov.*
    • Pskov Gov. - Pskov Obl.
    • Ryazan Gov. - Ryazan Obl.
    • Sama Gov. - Samara Obl.
    • Saratov Gov. - Saratov Obl.
    • Simbirsk Gov. - Ulyanovsk Obl.
    • Smolensk Gov. - Smolensk Obl.
    • Stavropol Gov. - Stavropol Kr.
    • Tauridia Gov. - Crimea
    • Tambov Gov. - Tambov Obl.
    • Tver Gov. - Tver Obl.
    • Tiflis Gov. - Georgia
    • Tobolsk Gov. - Tyumen Obl.
    • Tomsk Gov. - Tomsk Obl.
    • Tula Gov. - Tula Obl.
    • Ufa Gov. - Bashkortostan Rep.
    • Vilna Gov.* (Secodary Lithuania)
    • Vitebsk Gov. - Secondary Jewish State** (Yiddish State)
    • Vladimir Gov. - Vladimir Obl.
    • Vologda Gov. - Vologda Obl.
    • Volhynian Gov.* (Secondary Yiddish State)
    • Voronezh Gov. - Voronezh Obl.
    • Vyatka Gov. - Kirov Obl.
    • Yaroslavl Gov. - Yaroslavl Obl.
    • Ekaterinoslav Gov.*
    • Yeniseysk Gov. - Krasnoyarsk Kr.
    Oblasts coming soon.
     
  4. Tangle Kerbal Crasher

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    Okay, is the "Sun" one just the most recent one plus your additions?

    If so, I'm willing to refit that for now (And add some Martian states.)
     
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  5. XO Mapping High quality toast

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    Yes.
     
  6. Skallagrim Not the Skallagrim from YouTube. Different fellow.

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    I'm not sure if I am qualified to make any useful suggestions, but I think this is a very detailed and useful coulour scheme, and if I ever get good enough at making maps to actually get to using it, this is the scheme I'd use. With that in mind, I'd like to share the following observations:


    - As someone mostly involved in discussing various premodern subjects, I find the apparent lack of Vinland in this scheme to be a matter that should probably be addressed. Vinland shows up a lot, so it's probably smart to include that one. Of course, it is quite possible to have "Newfoundland [& Labrador], Nordic Canada" double (...triple?) as "Vinland", too.

    - One might consider having certain Chinese provinces double for the various Warring States that most closely approximated their geographical position. (Again, my background in premodern scenarios is obviously showing...)

    - Using one and the same colour for both a fascist USA and the CSA is perhaps not the wisest choice. What if one is trying to create a world that has both a CSA and a USA that goes fascist? I've seen scenarios like that before, more than once. (On a more personal note, I also think that equating a hypothetical Trump-led USA with a fascist regime and/or slavocrats is a bit over the top. If he wins next week, would everyone have to start using the "fascist USA" colour to mark the USA? A bit of an overreaction, I'd say. And in the far more likely case that he loses... why should he even be mentioned in this scheme? Far too much credit for one guy, if you ask me. But that's just my two cents.)

    - This is more of a perplexed question than an observation, but what is "Jewnited States" supposed to mean? Maybe I'm missing something, but that sounds like the sort of term generally used by neo-nazis in their "Jewish conspiracy"-bullcrap. Surely that is not the goal here? Is it meant to refer to an alt-Israel in North America or something?

    - More of a spelling issue, but "Phoenicia" is misspelled as "Phonecia". (...SENTIENT TELEPHONES?!)


    Anyway, I hope (some of) these observations may prove at all useful. Having been completely uninvolved, I hope this unsollicited post is not considered brusque or offensive. I write in admiration, and out of a desire to help in what little way I can.
     
  7. XO Mapping High quality toast

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    -I'm going to add "Vinland" to Western Iceland.

    -That is what I presume would happen

    -There's a "Non-racist CSA" in the southern states. I'd use that in case of a Fascist USA.

    -I'm not Aquagel, but I think it was supposed to be a joke about the far-right conspiracy nuts.

    -Trust me, I'm not combing through all of the typos. anyway i think it gives the scheme a certain charm
     
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  8. ToixStory Winter Cartographer

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    Just wondering...is there a reason you use slimgur rather than imgur? Is there any real difference between them?
     
  9. XO Mapping High quality toast

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    Imgur jpegs large images if you don't have an account.
     
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    Oh okay, interesting. I've had an account there so long I forgot.
     
  11. HatKirby Well-Known Member

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    It's entirely possible. I suggested in the previous thread having every native Chinese state, OTL or not, colored after the province their capital is in. We would do away with the "center/west/etc-based Dynastic China" and have a much more flexible system.

    As far as typos go, I'd be willing to find all of them and make corrections. I just won't be able to fix the actual image, because I don't have good enough image-editing software.

    I would also just like to say that I really don't like the Monarchist French color. France is traditionally blue, and it doesn't make much sense to change that. It could be a darker blue, as it is in X2 (RGB: 64, 72, 169).
     
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  12. XO Mapping High quality toast

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  13. Tangle Kerbal Crasher

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    damnit man I was halfway finished with Germany

    here's your punishment: list exactly where each new or revised one is and list if it is new or revised

    new: different/new color
    revised: changed name slightly (looking at you, "unified saxon circle" -> "unified saxon state"
     
  14. XO Mapping High quality toast

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    dont worry, no changes in germany
     
  15. Tangle Kerbal Crasher

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    Reread the post. I am complaining because it's MORE COLORS TO CONVERT TO BRIGHT & NORMAL
     
  16. XO Mapping High quality toast

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    here's afro-eurasia (no indo-australia)
    ALL HEADLINES: revised
    UK, York, Sussex, Mercia, Cornwall, Commonwealth: Revised
    London: New
    Netherlands: Revised
    Nassau, Utrecht: New
    Unified Germany, West Germany, Both Saxonies, Franconia, Bavaria, Both Swabias, Pomerania, Austria: Revised
    Poland, In Space: Revised and moved from space to CE Europe
    Dalmatia: Added
    AFRICA
    White Nile, 2nd Libya, Carthage, Algeria, Morocco: Revised
    Kasai, Stanleyville, Lingala, Cabinda: Added
    Angola: Revised
    ASIA
    Hong Kong, Macau: Added
    Chubu, Kyushu, Hokkaido, Ainu: Revised
     
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    check the front post again, smol update fixing something
    EUROPE (one i missed)
    Czechoslovakia: Added
    INDO-AUSTRALIA
    Indian Header: Revised
    Western Pakistan, Central Pakistan, Northern Pakistan, Primary Pakistan; Revised
    Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Azad Kashmir: New
    Christmas Island, Cocos Islands: New
    Mon/Con Hawaii: Revised
    NORTH AMERICA
    West Iceland, Mon/Con Canada: Revised
    Technocrat Canada, Technocrat USA: Added
    Wanked USA: Revised
    SOUTH AMERICA
    St. Martin, Sint-Maarten, St. Estatius, Saba: Added
    Wanked Brazil: Revised
    Peru 2: Added
    Argentina (NEW COLOUR): Added
    (Fascist) Argentina (OLD COLOUR): Revised
    OTHER
    Borders: all revised or added
    Mercury, Mercury2, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Saturn2, Uranus2, Neptune2, Pluto, Pluto2, Eris, Makemake, Haumea, Kuiper: Revised
    Orcus, Salacia, Quaoar, Sedna, Oort Cloud: Added
    POLAND IN SPACE - See previous post
    RELGION - New Header
    All not mentioned: Added from the X2 palette
    GR Paganism - Rome
    Juche - DPRK
    Scientology - USA Theocracy
    Bahai - Jewish State 2
    Transhumanism - Good Robots
    also theres a note
    CILCFA - New Section
    Primary LGBT State: New
     
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  18. XO Mapping High quality toast

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    OH YEAH, and the Trump reference was removed from Fascist USA. Bit too close to the election for comfort.
     
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  19. HatKirby Well-Known Member

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    @XO Mapping: More things!
    • There are two Sussex colors, and I don't know why.
    • Add Orkney to Secondary Scotland tag, making the full tag "Orkney, Shetland, Radical Pyrdain, Secondary Scotland"
    • Perhaps add Arthurian Empire to Celtic UK
    • Either add the X2 Monarchist French color as an alternative to the current one, or replace the current one entirely.
    • Add a color for Provence or add it to the Monaco tag
    • The Spanish Autonomous Communities still need to be completed
    • Complete Italian Medieval States (Those present in EUIV)
    • Add colors for French, German, Italian, and Romansh Swiss states, and make the current Swiss color Unified Switzerland
    • Add a color for Republika Srpska/Secondary Serb State
    • Add Herzeg-Bosnia to the Herzegovina tag
    • Add Nagorno-Karabakh to Secondary Armenia tag
    • Add Circassia
    • Add Don and Kuban Cossacks to Rostov and Krasnoyarsk tags, respectively
    • Add Darfur to Tertiary Sudanese State
    • Add colors for regions of Ethiopia with corresponding Zemene Mesafint states (I can only remember Gondar, Shewa, Afar, and Tigray off the top of my head) and the Somali Region doubling as a Dervish State color
    • Add East African Union to Other East African State tag
    • Add a color for an Assyrian state
    • Remove the "cardinal-direction-based dynastic China" tags and place a note in the China headers to the effect that all Chinese dynasties are the color of the province their capital is located in, with the exception of non-Han dynasties which are the ruling nation/ethnicity's color
    • Change Japanese Isle State to Ryuku and add Okinawa to Other/ASB Japan
    • Provide examples for various Korean states (e.g. Goguryeo/Balhae for Northern Korea, Silla for Mid-west Korea, Baekje for Mid-east, ROK for Southern)
    • Provide separate images for each category
    • States of the UAE
    • Specify color for Shan States
    • Luang Prabang and Champasak (Imperial Lao color can be used for Vientiane and Lan Xang)
    • States of Malaysia
    • Kongsi federations (at least Lanfang)
    • Specify colors for Mindanao and Visayas
    • Colors for Indian Princely States (at least major ones); can overlap with modern India state colors
    • Granadine Confederation states
    • Mauritania, Trarza, Moors

      - States of Micronesia (there are only four of them, shouldn't be too hard)
      - Regions of Indonesia
      - Provinces of South Africa
      - A few large precolonial African states
      - More colours for Mars and Venus
      - Bougainville (referendum pending)
      - Puntland (tertiary Somali state)
      - Barotseland
      - maybe some miscellaneous colours at the end?
    • Ideology
    • There are two Sussex colors, and I don't know why.
    • Add Orkney to Secondary Scotland tag, making the full tag "Orkney, Shetland, Radical Pyrdain, Secondary Scotland"
    • Perhaps add Arthurian Empire to Celtic UK
    • Either add the X2 Monarchist French color as an alternative to the current one, or replace the current one entirely.
    • Add a color for Provence or add it to the Monaco tag
    • The Spanish Autonomous Communities still need to be completed
    • Complete Italian Medieval States (Those present in EUIV)
    • Add colors for French, German, Italian, and Romansh Swiss states, and make the current Swiss color Unified Switzerland
    • Add a color for Republika Srpska/Secondary Serb State
    • Add Herzeg-Bosnia to the Herzegovina tag
    • Add Nagorno-Karabakh to Secondary Armenia tag
    • Add Circassia
    • Add Don and Kuban Cossacks to Rostov and Krasnoyarsk tags, respectively
    • Add Darfur to Tertiary Sudanese State
    • Add colors for regions of Ethiopia with corresponding Zemene Mesafint states (I can only remember Gondar, Shewa, Afar, and Tigray off the top of my head) and the Somali Region doubling as a Dervish State color
    • Add East African Union to Other East African State tag
    • Add a color for an Assyrian state
    • Remove the "cardinal-direction-based dynastic China" tags and place a note in the China headers to the effect that all Chinese dynasties are the color of the province their capital is located in, with the exception of non-Han dynasties which are the ruling nation/ethnicity's color
    • Change Japanese Isle State to Ryuku and add Okinawa to Other/ASB Japan
    • Provide examples for various Korean states (e.g. Goguryeo/Balhae for Northern Korea, Silla for Mid-west Korea, Baekje for Mid-east, ROK for Southern)
    • Provide separate images for each category
    Keep up the good work! I really like a lot of the pop-culture references, such as the Pokémon regions and Istanbul/Constantinople. If you have any feedback on these I'd like to hear it.
     
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  20. CannedTech Cross and Communism Donor

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    Heyo, this is some cool stuff still! I was wondering though if there'll be Native American nation colors like in TACOS.